in addition to Tom Cruise and John Travolta, along with Kristie Alley, I noticed that Greta Van Sustren also is a Scientologist, which surprised me. I wonder who Wierwille and Martindale tried to entice among Hollywood movie and TV stars. Any one know? Don't Worry Be Happy?
in addition to Tom Cruise and John Travolta, along with Kristie Alley, I noticed that Greta Van Sustren also is a Scientologist, which surprised me. I wonder who Wierwille and Martindale tried to entice among Hollywood movie and TV stars. Any one know? Don't Worry Be Happy/RD?
Thomas, what surprises me is why anyone would choose to give money to this worthless cult.
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in addition to Tom Cruise and John Travolta, along with Kristie Alley, I noticed that Greta Van Sustren also is a Scientologist, which surprised me. I wonder who Wierwille and Martindale tried to entice among Hollywood movie and TV stars. Any one know?
VPW had no pull in Hollywood. LCM tired to target athletes since he played college football. There were a couple pro NFL players involved if I recall.
Scientology spent some of the auditing billions on building Celebrity Centers. Leah Remini shows clips of when she was in her 20's and at one of the Celebrity Centers.
VPW had no pull in Hollywood. LCM tired to target athletes since he played college football. There were a couple pro NFL players involved if I recall.
Scientology spent some of the auditing billions on building Celebrity Centers. Leah Remini shows clips of when she was in her 20's and at one of the Celebrity Centers.
Tony Collins and Irving Fryar. Also MLB player Tony Phillips.
VPW had no pull in Hollywood. LCM tired to target athletes since he played college football. There were a couple pro NFL players involved if I recall.
Scientology spent some of the auditing billions on building Celebrity Centers. Leah Remini shows clips of when she was in her 20's and at one of the Celebrity Centers.
Somebody who played for the New England Patriots. IIRC, Tony Collins was the one. Despite all the local leadership objecting (and lcm documented this himself), TC was given a WOW pin despite never having gone WOW nor even gone witnessing door-to-door. They all knew 'respect of persons" when they saw it.
Baseball player Tony Phillips and hockey player Jim Schoenfeld also. Plus, Paula Smith, tennis player.
Somebody who played for the New England Patriots. IIRC, Tony Collins was the one. Despite all the local leadership objecting (and lcm documented this himself), TC was given a WOW pin despite never having gone WOW nor even gone witnessing door-to-door. They all knew 'respect of persons" when they saw it.
Baseball player Tony Phillips and hockey player Jim Schoenfeld also. Plus, Paula Smith, tennis player.
Irving Fryar also played for the NE Patriots but that wasn't the only team he was on during his NFL career.
I remember VPW talking about Gunnison being a place for celebrities to hang out and how he was going to have a restaurant built that went over the water where you could see the river through a glass floor. Really I recall he said that.
I remember VPW talking about Gunnison being a place for celebrities to hang out and how he was going to have a restaurant built that went over the water where you could see the river through a glass floor. Really I recall he said that.
My father donated some of his prize trophies to Gunnison when we went into the corps. My favorite was this 16 point elk that he received a plaque for and was mounted in our living room for my entire life until the family corps. As was a beautiful ram. To this day it hangs at Gunnison and I don't even think they gave him credit by putting his name below it or anything. I believe you'd have to remove it from the wall to see his name. It wasn't enough for them to take the love out of our family, they brainwashed my parents into giving them a lot of nice things we had over the years.
My father donated some of his prize trophies to Gunnison when we went into the corps. My favorite was this 16 point elk that he received a plaque for and was mounted in our living room for my entire life until the family corps. As was a beautiful ram. To this day it hangs at Gunnison and I don't even think they gave him credit by putting his name below it or anything. I believe you'd have to remove it from the wall to see his name. It wasn't enough for them to take the love out of our family, they brainwashed my parents into giving them a lot of nice things we had over the years.
Begulied, that stinks! TWI at the very least, should give your father credit, for his contributions.
@Grace Valerie Claire Yea it does. Just another example of stripping away individuality and personal possessions in the same stroke. If anyone ever gets the chance to see it (unlikely lmao) it used to hand on the second floor on the wall nearest the entrance and opposite the mountain/hill.
My father donated some of his prize trophies to Gunnison when we went into the corps. My favorite was this 16 point elk that he received a plaque for and was mounted in our living room for my entire life until the family corps. As was a beautiful ram. To this day it hangs at Gunnison and I don't even think they gave him credit by putting his name below it or anything. I believe you'd have to remove it from the wall to see his name. It wasn't enough for them to take the love out of our family, they brainwashed my parents into giving them a lot of nice things we had over the years.
I remember seeing an ad in the Way Mag saying "Remember The Way in Your Will". Even then in my Waybrain I was shocked.
omg, the extreme paddling of young children and making them work as adults at the camps, worse than TWI's HQ, Emporia, Rome City, and Gunnison combined.
Hubbard was a C student and left college after 1 year and 1 semester. I wonder what Wierwille's grades were at college and seminary.He also was a poor navy seaman. But at least Hubbard was in the military(although he had troubles with the officers) while VPW refused to serve during World War II.
Hubbard was a C student and left college after 1 year and 1 semester. I wonder what Wierwille's grades were at college and seminary.He also was a poor navy seaman. But at least Hubbard was in the military(although he had troubles with the officers) while VPW refused to serve during World War II.
Thomas, the military isn't fun, and you have to do a lot of things you don't want to do. That's the nature of the military. I think VPW was afraid to join the military, because he knew that it would not be all Moonlight, and Roses. VPW liked his luxuries, and would never have been willing to make the necessary sacrifices, to be a good Sailor, Solider, or Airman.
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Comparison and contrast are always such personal things. There are similarities and differences between the Way and Scientology. The main difference I see is the method. What is believed, taught.
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OK, watched another episode last night. Saw so many parallels: L Ron Hubbard = VPW (both creepy old guys) David Miscavige (the successor) = LCM (the successor) Sea Org = Way Corps
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More parallels - in Scientology there is always the promise of achieving a "higher level" if you just keep going, if you just spend more of your money for more classes and those sessions where you hol
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in addition to Tom Cruise and John Travolta, along with Kristie Alley, I noticed that Greta Van Sustren also is a Scientologist, which surprised me. I wonder who Wierwille and Martindale tried to entice among Hollywood movie and TV stars. Any one know? Don't Worry Be Happy?
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Thomas, what surprises me is why anyone would choose to give money to this worthless cult.
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VPW had no pull in Hollywood. LCM tired to target athletes since he played college football. There were a couple pro NFL players involved if I recall.
Scientology spent some of the auditing billions on building Celebrity Centers. Leah Remini shows clips of when she was in her 20's and at one of the Celebrity Centers.
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Tony Collins and Irving Fryar. Also MLB player Tony Phillips.
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Somebody who played for the New England Patriots. IIRC, Tony Collins was the one. Despite all the local leadership objecting (and lcm documented this himself), TC was given a WOW pin despite never having gone WOW nor even gone witnessing door-to-door. They all knew 'respect of persons" when they saw it.
Baseball player Tony Phillips and hockey player Jim Schoenfeld also. Plus, Paula Smith, tennis player.
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Irving Fryar also played for the NE Patriots but that wasn't the only team he was on during his NFL career.
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I remember VPW talking about Gunnison being a place for celebrities to hang out and how he was going to have a restaurant built that went over the water where you could see the river through a glass floor. Really I recall he said that.
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Verbose grandiosity of a narcissist! (not you)
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My father donated some of his prize trophies to Gunnison when we went into the corps. My favorite was this 16 point elk that he received a plaque for and was mounted in our living room for my entire life until the family corps. As was a beautiful ram. To this day it hangs at Gunnison and I don't even think they gave him credit by putting his name below it or anything. I believe you'd have to remove it from the wall to see his name. It wasn't enough for them to take the love out of our family, they brainwashed my parents into giving them a lot of nice things we had over the years.
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Begulied, that stinks! TWI at the very least, should give your father credit, for his contributions.
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@Grace Valerie Claire Yea it does. Just another example of stripping away individuality and personal possessions in the same stroke. If anyone ever gets the chance to see it (unlikely lmao) it used to hand on the second floor on the wall nearest the entrance and opposite the mountain/hill.
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I brought up this topic on Facebook's GreaseSpot Cafe forum
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I remember seeing an ad in the Way Mag saying "Remember The Way in Your Will". Even then in my Waybrain I was shocked.
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New episode tomorrow night at 9pm. Can't wait to see Leah and Mike expose more hypocrisy and comparisons to our Ohio cult
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omg, the extreme paddling of young children and making them work as adults at the camps, worse than TWI's HQ, Emporia, Rome City, and Gunnison combined.
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OK, watched another episode last night. Saw so many parallels:
L Ron Hubbard = VPW (both creepy old guys)
David Miscavige (the successor) = LCM (the successor)
Sea Org = Way Corps
Clear the Planet = Word Over the World
"We are Special, the only ones who can save the world." = "We alone know the true rightly divided word."
Billion Year Contract = Way Corps unbreakable lifetime commitment (doulos/dog soldier)
Declared / Disconnected = Mark and Avoid
Being responsible for what happens to you = Believing equals receiving, Spiritual Responsibility for others, What you fear will happen
Suppressive act = Being negative, not being likeminded, being out of fellowship, not "blessing" others
Psychiatric help is forbidden = no need for psychiatric treatment since it's your fault for not renewing your mind
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Tuesday night's episode was about writing reports on confrontations and rants/screaming to malcontents. VPW/LCM to LRH/DM, how very immature
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great correlation there, OutandAbout !!!!
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Hubbard was a C student and left college after 1 year and 1 semester. I wonder what Wierwille's grades were at college and seminary.He also was a poor navy seaman. But at least Hubbard was in the military(although he had troubles with the officers) while VPW refused to serve during World War II.
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Thomas, the military isn't fun, and you have to do a lot of things you don't want to do. That's the nature of the military. I think VPW was afraid to join the military, because he knew that it would not be all Moonlight, and Roses. VPW liked his luxuries, and would never have been willing to make the necessary sacrifices, to be a good Sailor, Solider, or Airman.
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Leah and Mike return in January
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Yay!! Love that series!
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Actually, it will be in April
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Bring it! I find that human tendencies unchecked seem to run in parallel courses.
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