I think you all need more up to date info. I'm a current intermediate class grad and I'm 28. I want to go into the way corps too. there are some really sharp younger leaders making waves and they are great teachers. one of the came and taught at my first fellowship during their relocation. after they taught they ministered to me and I was healed from a incurable disease immediately . I told him I want to be able to do that for people. he told me Christ made it so I can. now they are corps grads and helping train corps. there is a big movement coming up the ranks to follow these young leaders. they know what the problems are and they are making changes for good. I want to be part of it. I want others to be delivered like I was. Sorry so many were hurt in the past.
Well, Geshem the Arrabian................how about this up-to-date info from March 2016: 30 Years is more than enough
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<takes a seat and pulls out a menu>
Hello All-
There's quite a bit to unpack from 30 years. Bare with my rambling thoughts as they all get down.
A third-generation "legacy", I only knew TWI as truth absolute. A child of the 80's, I remember growing up and having The Way being the only way. I took each class in the entire class series the exact week I was eligible, and repeated every chance I could. I only knew LCM as the fount-head of all things godly, and worshipped with (at) him through the birth of the new class. I soldiered on through his fall and stood behind my identity as a chosen part of the faithful remnant throughout the early 2000's. I pursued a degree and lead fellowships, certain I held forth what I knew to be the epicenter of the spiritual world. Once I got close to graduation, the promise of getting a job became VERY real. In a market the began to shrivel, I went from interview to interview, each time putting in hours of deliberate, thoughtful prayer and reflection, certain that the God I knew dwelt in my fellowships and that I was told would never let any wrong befall would come through in the clutch. Each time, nothing. Each time, disappointment. Each time, words came from those more seasoned as "Renew Your Mind", "It's not the spiritually best for YOU!", "God's got something bigger for YOU!". This was the first time I needed to prove God had my back. Long story short, I cobbled together enough to get by, but nothing close to the Eph 3:20 I was told time and time again.
I got married, to an amazing and supportive spouse, who left her church to join up. She realized if she wanted tot be with me, she had to drink the Koolaid, and drink she did. She practically did a keg stand with that Hawaiian punch. Together, we weathered many situations that were far from the rosy scenes painted on STS tapes (or CDs or VHSs). Real life was hard as hell, and the God of the lectern and the magazine was not as quick to come through. There was always an explanation, mind you, but should not have to be this hard. "Maybe we're not studying enough. Maybe and hour daily is just a start.". "Are we giving enough? We're at 20%, but could we do more to prove our commitment to God and not our paycheck". We ABSed our meager earnings, lived in apartments, drove our terrible, leaky, beaten cars, and gladly taught others on how much God loved us and would provide. Any positive event in life was championed as proof of TWI's system. It began to seem like a lens that made all the bad not their fault and any positive thing their cause. Perspective.
Fast forward to a fourth generation being born. Numerous requests from insiders to go on Staff and change from within. By this time, my life had changed. The grind of finally getting (and keeping) a real job meant hard work. I began to feel like everything in the ministry was a motion. Same old collaterals. The articles in the magazine were SOOOO predictable, as were the overly scripted services. Title, personal anecdote, verses, three main points, conclusion, blanket "Let's continue to..." statement... repeat. I felt as if I wasn't learning anything. To challenge myself and scratch my own spiritual and intellectual itch, I started my own studies and digging. ANy time I would bring these up, I was chastised for going solo and delving into what was already researched. I should re-search what is already available. By this time, I could hear an introduction and immediately know which verses would come up. One STS, I wrote on my wife's notes five verses. Sure as dang, each one was ticked in the course of that scripted speech teaching. I stopped taking notes. I stopped putting time into my teachings at fellowships. I started coasting. I could see others going through the same motions. I used to talk about all of the interesting connections and parallels the moment a great teaching was done. Now I saw how quickly others began talking about their week, their boring lives, their.... anything but the bible. Truth was, it was the collaterals being taught again and again and again. LCM was disavowed, never to be mentioned. All that was safe was the collaterals. So that's were everything went, and still are.
Last flash is to the moment I realized how crumby the long-term TWI plan is for those out in the field. Find a menial job, work hard and don't rock the boat. Try to witness but we only need seats for the class- if it's just a connection, move it along. SELL SELL!!!! Find an apartment, move every few years, drive a 5 year+ model car (and keep that cardboard so you don't mess up the driveway). Long-term planning? You don't need that. God's got you. I woke up one day to realize my parents have no retirement and no equity of ANY kind. I didn't want that. I began looking at houses and tried every way to get one without getting a loan. Couldn't do it, so I tried to ask permission. Another post needs to explain this hot mess, but needless to say it was not on the menu. I forged ahead to the disapproval of many.
Kid number two arrives- I stop going to STS. Our last trip, I don't even open my bible. I hear and scrutinize the entire presentation better than I had every encapsulated with my notes. (Oh the notes, but I digress...). On our way home, my wife says "What an electrifying teaching!". I let the air clear for about 5 seconds and say "Was it?". Her face was as white as the audience at any given STS. We then discuss very openly our current role in the ministry and where we saw our spiritual lives. Needless to say, it was the beginning of the end.
We limped along for a few more years, mainly because of the sweet people that genuinely did care about others and the large family/friend connections. This is certainly a fact that cannot be overlooked, but we were killed with kindness and not won by spiritual truth. We eventually decide to skip fellowship for any convenient reason, attend other church services on Sunday mornings, and try on many religions/denominations. It came to a road that lead to us moving and telling our new coordinators we were out. I felt it necessary to go out on my terms, not middle-fingers a-blazing, but with a truthful talk.
I have it on good authority that Rosie has announced her retirement! At a recent big meeting, Rosie came out and said that she would be stepping down as of 1/1/17. She said "I'm excited about it too."
She has named her replacement but I am not at liberty to divulge his name at present. But "close to home," you might expect.
And, as you might also expect - there is no announcement on their website, which doesn't appear to have been updated for many months.
Hi, Mr Linder! The news is out!!
Quite honestly, I would not want to be President of TWI. I think the few presidents TWI has had have been corrupted by money, lust, and power. My soul belongs to God; not some sleazy cult.
You know come to think of it, it really doesn't matter does it? Rosie has not been much of a public figure. She might well replace herself with someone even less interesting. The leader of the Way is meant to be uninteresting these days. They are meant to be behind the scenes. It might be someone we have never heard of and which most wayfers don't even know or wouldn't expect.
If you think about it, the Way is no longer a personality cult. It definitely was with both VPW and LCM. It has morphed into something else. Still a cult, but after a different manner.
I nominate Greg Sch@ffer from Way Productions. He has worked pretty closely with Rosie. A nice guy too, but not someone who will develop a personality cult. Raf could be right too.
Short, I know GS, and his wife. Nice people, but not overly dynamic. He would probably get along well with the Canadian guy.
Jean Yves de Liar...hmmnnnn...you mean the guy that called me on the phone when my family and I decided to check out of hotel Indiana californication halfway through our family corps training ?? The guy that said to me that twi would pay our airfares back to New Zealand BUT only IF we kept our mouths shut as to the things we had seen going on ?? The guy that ordered Paul Mosquito who was running Indiana campus at the time to throw me out of Stone Halls top window if I dared open my mouth before being escorted off campus ?? Jean yves de Liar who instructed New Zealand country co-ordinator to send goons round to my home once we got back to physically attack me in an attempt to intimidate me into silence ??.....Top pick for the job...lmao
He sent goons to your home??!! He sounds like the type of man VPW would approve of. I don't know about NZ, but if someone sent goons, or Thugs, to my home, I would call the police to get them off my property.
He sent goons to your home??!! He sounds like the type of man VPW would approve of. I don't know about NZ, but if someone sent goons, or Thugs, to my home, I would call the police to get them off my property.
VPW sent goons to the front door of a friend of mine in about 1978 or 1980. It seems he had been telling people in the local fellowships what had been going on in the larger scope of things.. They told him in no uncertain terms to stop. I was not there, so this is second hand. I have no reason to believe he would have ever make something like that up. It's not the only incident like this I have heard about from people I completely trusted to be honest with me.
VPW sent goons to the front door of a friend of mine in about 1978 or 1980. It seems he had been telling people in the local fellowships what had been going on in the larger scope of things.. They told him in no uncertain terms to stop. I was not there, so this is second hand. I have no reason to believe he would have ever make something like that up. It's not the only incident like this I have heard about from people I completely trusted to be honest with me.
Way, the more I read in the GSC, the madder I get at the S--t that happened in Way World years ago. Sometimes I think we were in a Dictatorship; and not free to express ourselves. How evil TWI was; I am so happy that so many of us left for good!
Well, Geshem the Arrabian................how about this up-to-date info from March 2016: 30 Years is more than enough
Quote from post:
<takes a seat and pulls out a menu>
Hello All-
There's quite a bit to unpack from 30 years. Bare with my rambling thoughts as they all get down.
A third-generation "legacy", I only knew TWI as truth absolute. A child of the 80's, I remember growing up and having The Way being the only way. I took each class in the entire class series the exact week I was eligible, and repeated every chance I could. I only knew LCM as the fount-head of all things godly, and worshipped with (at) him through the birth of the new class. I soldiered on through his fall and stood behind my identity as a chosen part of the faithful remnant throughout the early 2000's. I pursued a degree and lead fellowships, certain I held forth what I knew to be the epicenter of the spiritual world. Once I got close to graduation, the promise of getting a job became VERY real. In a market the began to shrivel, I went from interview to interview, each time putting in hours of deliberate, thoughtful prayer and reflection, certain that the God I knew dwelt in my fellowships and that I was told would never let any wrong befall would come through in the clutch. Each time, nothing. Each time, disappointment. Each time, words came from those more seasoned as "Renew Your Mind", "It's not the spiritually best for YOU!", "God's got something bigger for YOU!". This was the first time I needed to prove God had my back. Long story short, I cobbled together enough to get by, but nothing close to the Eph 3:20 I was told time and time again.
I got married, to an amazing and supportive spouse, who left her church to join up. She realized if she wanted tot be with me, she had to drink the Koolaid, and drink she did. She practically did a keg stand with that Hawaiian punch. Together, we weathered many situations that were far from the rosy scenes painted on STS tapes (or CDs or VHSs). Real life was hard as hell, and the God of the lectern and the magazine was not as quick to come through. There was always an explanation, mind you, but should not have to be this hard. "Maybe we're not studying enough. Maybe and hour daily is just a start.". "Are we giving enough? We're at 20%, but could we do more to prove our commitment to God and not our paycheck". We ABSed our meager earnings, lived in apartments, drove our terrible, leaky, beaten cars, and gladly taught others on how much God loved us and would provide. Any positive event in life was championed as proof of TWI's system. It began to seem like a lens that made all the bad not their fault and any positive thing their cause. Perspective.
Fast forward to a fourth generation being born. Numerous requests from insiders to go on Staff and change from within. By this time, my life had changed. The grind of finally getting (and keeping) a real job meant hard work. I began to feel like everything in the ministry was a motion. Same old collaterals. The articles in the magazine were SOOOO predictable, as were the overly scripted services. Title, personal anecdote, verses, three main points, conclusion, blanket "Let's continue to..." statement... repeat. I felt as if I wasn't learning anything. To challenge myself and scratch my own spiritual and intellectual itch, I started my own studies and digging. ANy time I would bring these up, I was chastised for going solo and delving into what was already researched. I should re-search what is already available. By this time, I could hear an introduction and immediately know which verses would come up. One STS, I wrote on my wife's notes five verses. Sure as dang, each one was ticked in the course of that scripted speech teaching. I stopped taking notes. I stopped putting time into my teachings at fellowships. I started coasting. I could see others going through the same motions. I used to talk about all of the interesting connections and parallels the moment a great teaching was done. Now I saw how quickly others began talking about their week, their boring lives, their.... anything but the bible. Truth was, it was the collaterals being taught again and again and again. LCM was disavowed, never to be mentioned. All that was safe was the collaterals. So that's were everything went, and still are.
Last flash is to the moment I realized how crumby the long-term TWI plan is for those out in the field. Find a menial job, work hard and don't rock the boat. Try to witness but we only need seats for the class- if it's just a connection, move it along. SELL SELL!!!! Find an apartment, move every few years, drive a 5 year+ model car (and keep that cardboard so you don't mess up the driveway). Long-term planning? You don't need that. God's got you. I woke up one day to realize my parents have no retirement and no equity of ANY kind. I didn't want that. I began looking at houses and tried every way to get one without getting a loan. Couldn't do it, so I tried to ask permission. Another post needs to explain this hot mess, but needless to say it was not on the menu. I forged ahead to the disapproval of many.
Kid number two arrives- I stop going to STS. Our last trip, I don't even open my bible. I hear and scrutinize the entire presentation better than I had every encapsulated with my notes. (Oh the notes, but I digress...). On our way home, my wife says "What an electrifying teaching!". I let the air clear for about 5 seconds and say "Was it?". Her face was as white as the audience at any given STS. We then discuss very openly our current role in the ministry and where we saw our spiritual lives. Needless to say, it was the beginning of the end.
We limped along for a few more years, mainly because of the sweet people that genuinely did care about others and the large family/friend connections. This is certainly a fact that cannot be overlooked, but we were killed with kindness and not won by spiritual truth. We eventually decide to skip fellowship for any convenient reason, attend other church services on Sunday mornings, and try on many religions/denominations. It came to a road that lead to us moving and telling our new coordinators we were out. I felt it necessary to go out on my terms, not middle-fingers a-blazing, but with a truthful talk.
We left about two years ago.............<snip>
Sky, great post! In other words, the guy and his wife, got tired of the BS in TWI and left!! Good for them!!
I have it on good authority that Rosie has announced her retirement! At a recent big meeting, Rosie came out and said that she would be stepping down as of 1/1/17. She said "I'm excited about it too."
She has named her replacement but I am not at liberty to divulge his name at present. But "close to home," you might expect.
And, as you might also expect - there is no announcement on their website, which doesn't appear to have been updated for many months.
Hi, Mr Linder! The news is out!!
Its interesting in hindsight Rosalies reactions since Uncle Rico told her God gave him revelation that she was to step down and he was to run TWI. Aaaaand also the entire revival and restoration fiasco. She nuzzled in and its root hog or die....lol...happy retirement rosie red! (Whaddup John.....she got u printing off gsc threads still? Or does rev. Deloser actually have a computer in his office...unlike rosie)
Farewell Rosie, farewell rosie. farewell rosie, we are kicking you out. merrily we run along, run along, run along, merrily we run along out of New Knoxville
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Well, Geshem the Arrabian................how about this up-to-date info from March 2016: 30 Years is more than enough Quote from post: <takes a seat and pulls out a menu> Hello
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WTF? Where did you get the idea that GSC had any such purpose?
waysider
This organization that calls itself The Way has no intrinsic value. It's not a grand effort to please God or work for the betterment of mankind or however else you want to spin it so it sounds noble.
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Welcome, Geshem.
Do they still teach the law of believing and practice the manifestations? Curious minds want to know.
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Well, Geshem the Arrabian................how about this up-to-date info from March 2016: 30 Years is more than enough
Quote from post:
<takes a seat and pulls out a menu>
Hello All-
There's quite a bit to unpack from 30 years. Bare with my rambling thoughts as they all get down.
A third-generation "legacy", I only knew TWI as truth absolute. A child of the 80's, I remember growing up and having The Way being the only way. I took each class in the entire class series the exact week I was eligible, and repeated every chance I could. I only knew LCM as the fount-head of all things godly, and worshipped with (at) him through the birth of the new class. I soldiered on through his fall and stood behind my identity as a chosen part of the faithful remnant throughout the early 2000's. I pursued a degree and lead fellowships, certain I held forth what I knew to be the epicenter of the spiritual world. Once I got close to graduation, the promise of getting a job became VERY real. In a market the began to shrivel, I went from interview to interview, each time putting in hours of deliberate, thoughtful prayer and reflection, certain that the God I knew dwelt in my fellowships and that I was told would never let any wrong befall would come through in the clutch. Each time, nothing. Each time, disappointment. Each time, words came from those more seasoned as "Renew Your Mind", "It's not the spiritually best for YOU!", "God's got something bigger for YOU!". This was the first time I needed to prove God had my back. Long story short, I cobbled together enough to get by, but nothing close to the Eph 3:20 I was told time and time again.
I got married, to an amazing and supportive spouse, who left her church to join up. She realized if she wanted tot be with me, she had to drink the Koolaid, and drink she did. She practically did a keg stand with that Hawaiian punch. Together, we weathered many situations that were far from the rosy scenes painted on STS tapes (or CDs or VHSs). Real life was hard as hell, and the God of the lectern and the magazine was not as quick to come through. There was always an explanation, mind you, but should not have to be this hard. "Maybe we're not studying enough. Maybe and hour daily is just a start.". "Are we giving enough? We're at 20%, but could we do more to prove our commitment to God and not our paycheck". We ABSed our meager earnings, lived in apartments, drove our terrible, leaky, beaten cars, and gladly taught others on how much God loved us and would provide. Any positive event in life was championed as proof of TWI's system. It began to seem like a lens that made all the bad not their fault and any positive thing their cause. Perspective.
Fast forward to a fourth generation being born. Numerous requests from insiders to go on Staff and change from within. By this time, my life had changed. The grind of finally getting (and keeping) a real job meant hard work. I began to feel like everything in the ministry was a motion. Same old collaterals. The articles in the magazine were SOOOO predictable, as were the overly scripted services. Title, personal anecdote, verses, three main points, conclusion, blanket "Let's continue to..." statement... repeat. I felt as if I wasn't learning anything. To challenge myself and scratch my own spiritual and intellectual itch, I started my own studies and digging. ANy time I would bring these up, I was chastised for going solo and delving into what was already researched. I should re-search what is already available. By this time, I could hear an introduction and immediately know which verses would come up. One STS, I wrote on my wife's notes five verses. Sure as dang, each one was ticked in the course of that scripted speech teaching. I stopped taking notes. I stopped putting time into my teachings at fellowships. I started coasting. I could see others going through the same motions. I used to talk about all of the interesting connections and parallels the moment a great teaching was done. Now I saw how quickly others began talking about their week, their boring lives, their.... anything but the bible. Truth was, it was the collaterals being taught again and again and again. LCM was disavowed, never to be mentioned. All that was safe was the collaterals. So that's were everything went, and still are.
Last flash is to the moment I realized how crumby the long-term TWI plan is for those out in the field. Find a menial job, work hard and don't rock the boat. Try to witness but we only need seats for the class- if it's just a connection, move it along. SELL SELL!!!! Find an apartment, move every few years, drive a 5 year+ model car (and keep that cardboard so you don't mess up the driveway). Long-term planning? You don't need that. God's got you. I woke up one day to realize my parents have no retirement and no equity of ANY kind. I didn't want that. I began looking at houses and tried every way to get one without getting a loan. Couldn't do it, so I tried to ask permission. Another post needs to explain this hot mess, but needless to say it was not on the menu. I forged ahead to the disapproval of many.
Kid number two arrives- I stop going to STS. Our last trip, I don't even open my bible. I hear and scrutinize the entire presentation better than I had every encapsulated with my notes. (Oh the notes, but I digress...). On our way home, my wife says "What an electrifying teaching!". I let the air clear for about 5 seconds and say "Was it?". Her face was as white as the audience at any given STS. We then discuss very openly our current role in the ministry and where we saw our spiritual lives. Needless to say, it was the beginning of the end.
We limped along for a few more years, mainly because of the sweet people that genuinely did care about others and the large family/friend connections. This is certainly a fact that cannot be overlooked, but we were killed with kindness and not won by spiritual truth. We eventually decide to skip fellowship for any convenient reason, attend other church services on Sunday mornings, and try on many religions/denominations. It came to a road that lead to us moving and telling our new coordinators we were out. I felt it necessary to go out on my terms, not middle-fingers a-blazing, but with a truthful talk.
We left about two years ago.............<snip>
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Also, do they teach anything about geography or spelling? Just wondering.
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Quite honestly, I would not want to be President of TWI. I think the few presidents TWI has had have been corrupted by money, lust, and power. My soul belongs to God; not some sleazy cult.
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Short, I know GS, and his wife. Nice people, but not overly dynamic. He would probably get along well with the Canadian guy.
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He sent goons to your home??!! He sounds like the type of man VPW would approve of. I don't know about NZ, but if someone sent goons, or Thugs, to my home, I would call the police to get them off my property.
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VPW sent goons to the front door of a friend of mine in about 1978 or 1980. It seems he had been telling people in the local fellowships what had been going on in the larger scope of things.. They told him in no uncertain terms to stop. I was not there, so this is second hand. I have no reason to believe he would have ever make something like that up. It's not the only incident like this I have heard about from people I completely trusted to be honest with me.
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Way, the more I read in the GSC, the madder I get at the S--t that happened in Way World years ago. Sometimes I think we were in a Dictatorship; and not free to express ourselves. How evil TWI was; I am so happy that so many of us left for good!
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Sky, great post! In other words, the guy and his wife, got tired of the BS in TWI and left!! Good for them!!
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Its interesting in hindsight Rosalies reactions since Uncle Rico told her God gave him revelation that she was to step down and he was to run TWI. Aaaaand also the entire revival and restoration fiasco. She nuzzled in and its root hog or die....lol...happy retirement rosie red! (Whaddup John.....she got u printing off gsc threads still? Or does rev. Deloser actually have a computer in his office...unlike rosie)
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Farewell Rosie, farewell rosie. farewell rosie, we are kicking you out. merrily we run along, run along, run along, merrily we run along out of New Knoxville
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