I will be reviewing the content of this thread and deleting offending posts. There will be no further action at this time, but guys, come on. Is it that hard to stay on topic?
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I've finished reviewing this thread, and I tried to take as light an approach as I could. Fixed a few obvious grammatical errors (people sow discord, they don't sew it. I suppose they can sew with this cord, but that's not the same thing).
But I deleted several posts where the namecalling got out of hand. I tried to be reeeeal flexible about "on topic" v. "off topic" posts. As long as the conversation is flowing naturally and no one objects, I'm not about to go from thread to thread approving or unapproving posts on that basis. I'd be here 24/7. I don't like you guys THAT much.
There are a lot of good posts on this thread in which people disagree with johniam vehemently without making the post about HIM (short quips notwithstanding).
I made some ease-of-reading edits (John, is it too much to ask you to figure out how the "quote" function works. I mean, you have been here at least, what is it, 4 weeks now? Oh, LONGER? You see my point. If you need a tutorial, PM me).
I tried to put notes on the bottom of posts I edited significantly or that I felt required a mod statement.
Now, let's make one more thing really clear:
Everyone is welcome to post here.
If you think VPW was the greatest apostle since Paul, you may post here.
If you think VPW was the greatest con man since Prof. Harold Hill, you may post here.
If you think someone is too harsh in judging VPW, you may say so.
If you think someone is too gullible in praising VPW, you may say so.
But anyone can do any of that without resorting to juvenile namecalling. And I will delete, without warning, any post that crosses the line. I tried to do that in a fair manner. I think I did that in a way that does not break up the flow of this thread. The fact that I could do so (if I succeeded) is a strong indication of how off-topic those posts were.
I've finished reviewing this thread, and I tried to take as light an approach as I could. Fixed a few obvious grammatical errors (people sow discord, they don't sew it. I suppose they can sew with this cord, but that's not the same thing).
But I deleted several posts where the namecalling got out of hand.
Thanks, modcat. Makes a much better read now. And won't put off newbies/lurkers.
"Thanks, modcat. Makes a much better read now. And won't put off newbies/lurkers."
Who says that it "put off newbies/lurkers."? Seems to me there are comments on this thread that state the exact opposite. Care to clarify where that notion came from, Twinky? Thanks.
Either way, her post seems to be a thread killer. I think this thread is a good thread.....informative, good give and take, and not offensive to anyone but an "uptight few". Why should ANYONE's personal preferences dictate the posting "style" of any other member?? I think that is overbearing to ALL posters here. To stifle factual content because of personal linguistic preferences
is immature, self-centered, and rude. Just my opinion. To hijack a thread from it's topic in order to just "get your way" about how things are to be said according to your personal prejudices is condescendingly arrogant censorship. You Brits know better!
I met Twinky in 2007 at the GSC Texas BBQ at Jeff and Theresa Petrosky's home in TX. I enjoyed meeting her and very much enjoyed the entire BBQ! I met NotFromKansasAnymore, Tonto & T-Bone, Tom Strange, Doojable, George St. George, Ex10, and a number of other old friends. They were all there while I posted a few posts on that "IS THE CRISIS OVER" CES thread. We all had a fabulous time. I know that there are reasons for friction because of certain people's public and written support for jallyroll Lynn's fraudulent, self-serving, anti(against)-Christ "minus-tray". I am bound by my agreement to pastoral confidentiality not to say any more, and I will not. But, Twinky, you're just incorrect on this IMO. As a former Barrister, I expected more objectivity from you. But, I certainly understand the power and necessity of close friendships. It's family by choice. However, personal friendships do not determine facts or truth. Those things need to be dealt with by every individual human conscience. Just my opinions.
Hopefully, this thread may continue in the informative, debate style it has been. Personal preference should not determine one's freedom to post free from censorship. I certainly invite any relevant discussion to this thread. If the Mods think it better to take it the the Open subforum thread on decorum, so be it. If not, then I look forward to any and all replies............peace.
I'm not a thread killer, DWBH. But the calm, more measured, objective, style often reaches people more than a rant does. You only have to read VPW's letters for rants, and think of the face-meltings many here endured. Imitating his style...isn't a good look, IMO. Can't we be objective, not objectionable?
Jesus called the Pharisees "nests of vipers" but he is kind to those who want to listen (including Pharisees). He did not mock people's names. He called them on their attitudes and (lack of) love for God. He did not attack anyone who loves God, even when they are in error. If he screamed at his followers in the behavior that has been modeled for us by some leaders - d'ya think he would have any followers? Wouldn't he be a "thread killer"? (A "red thread" killer, maybe.) But that's not how he behaved. And it's not what befits any other Christian leader, of any organization - or cult.
I appreciate your opinions Twinky. I do not agree. And, NOBODY thinks I'm Jesus or that I ever could be. Thankfully, HE loved sinners, hung out with them and "publicans", and called them unto Himself. I'm one of those, aren't you?
Whoever reads or lurks here can think and post whatever they want. By their fruit shall ye know them. I happen to feel responsible to confront the Pharisees who inhabited and still run TWIt or any of the little splinter cults. I do so by factually and sometimes graphically describing their fruit in the lives of their followers and their "leaders" past and current. I will continue to do so until they repent and make restitution to those whose lives they destroyed and sometimes even took, according to the words of the Lord Himself as recorded in Matt 18. Until then, I promise you, I will never shut up or change my style. These lying, self-serving pigs have been doing their mud-slopping for 30 years now. They're still doing it. I will continue calling them out until I take my last breath or they do.
If you are serious about comparing my "rants", as YOU term them, with dictor paul's "face melting", neck-vein popping, spittle splattering, drunken "doctrine, reproof, and correction", or da forehead's even more bizarre psychotic breaks, then maybe you must have never really experienced a real one. Was your life "put together" by being in da corpse? How much did their "Christ-like ministering" do for you? How much like Christ were they? How calm were they? Serial rape and sexual assault, rabid homophobia, flaming neo-Nazi hatespeech, and you want me to not "call them names"??? Sorry, but I will NOT oblige you or them. Call me stubborn, call me vulgar, call me rude or disrespectful, or off-putting to all those lurkers and readers who YOU tell me are so intimidated or offended or scared of the big, bad, DWBH. Think of me and call me whatever YOU want. I simply don't care.
As I've posted before, often.....I enjoy your posts, perspectives, and how you and your churches in England really do help people as Jesus taught.
However, I will leave the editing and censorship to the Mods and Admins. Your's are just way to "proper" for me. Just another American rebellious freedom lover who has chosen never to be "ruled" by anyone other than Jesus Christ. Love to you and your's, and............peace.
Each one of these letters could be a thread of its own.
Spring 1982.
Isn't this whole letter VPW saying if you're not CORPS, you ain't worth a damn? This is an attitude that was always present, but rarely articulated, in TWI. People will deny it, but here it is?
Each one of these letters could be a thread of its own.
Spring 1982.
Isn't this whole letter VPW saying if you're not CORPS, you ain't worth a damn? This is an attitude that was always present, but rarely articulated, in TWI. People will deny it, but here it is?
I guess so. To me it just reads like a bunch of platitudes strung together with some guilt motivation sprinkled in.
YOU define nothing about me, most especially my "mission statement".
Here it is from the horse's mouth instead of your's located at the other end of the horse:
"I will continue to do so until they repent and make restitution to those whose lives they destroyed and sometimes even took, according to the words of the Lord Himself as recorded in Matt 18. Until then, I promise you, I will never shut up or change my style. These lying, self-serving pigs have been doing their mud-slopping for 30 years now. They're still doing it. I will continue calling them out until I take my last breath or they do."
Feel free to return to the topic everyone. I apologize for the brief detour.
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I will be reviewing the content of this thread and deleting offending posts. There will be no further action at this time, but guys, come on. Is it that hard to stay on topic?
...
I've finished reviewing this thread, and I tried to take as light an approach as I could. Fixed a few obvious grammatical errors (people sow discord, they don't sew it. I suppose they can sew with this cord, but that's not the same thing).
But I deleted several posts where the namecalling got out of hand. I tried to be reeeeal flexible about "on topic" v. "off topic" posts. As long as the conversation is flowing naturally and no one objects, I'm not about to go from thread to thread approving or unapproving posts on that basis. I'd be here 24/7. I don't like you guys THAT much.
There are a lot of good posts on this thread in which people disagree with johniam vehemently without making the post about HIM (short quips notwithstanding).
I made some ease-of-reading edits (John, is it too much to ask you to figure out how the "quote" function works. I mean, you have been here at least, what is it, 4 weeks now? Oh, LONGER? You see my point. If you need a tutorial, PM me).
I tried to put notes on the bottom of posts I edited significantly or that I felt required a mod statement.
Now, let's make one more thing really clear:
Everyone is welcome to post here.
If you think VPW was the greatest apostle since Paul, you may post here.
If you think VPW was the greatest con man since Prof. Harold Hill, you may post here.
If you think someone is too harsh in judging VPW, you may say so.
If you think someone is too gullible in praising VPW, you may say so.
But anyone can do any of that without resorting to juvenile namecalling. And I will delete, without warning, any post that crosses the line. I tried to do that in a fair manner. I think I did that in a way that does not break up the flow of this thread. The fact that I could do so (if I succeeded) is a strong indication of how off-topic those posts were.
Carry on.
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GeorgeStGeorge
Aw. sure you do. :)
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Maybe a little.
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Thanks, modcat. Makes a much better read now. And won't put off newbies/lurkers.
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"Thanks, modcat. Makes a much better read now. And won't put off newbies/lurkers."
Who says that it "put off newbies/lurkers."? Seems to me there are comments on this thread that state the exact opposite. Care to clarify where that notion came from, Twinky? Thanks.
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I think that notion came from the Open Forum in a thread about decorum.
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Thanks Krys. I thought she was referencing this thread.
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Either way, her post seems to be a thread killer. I think this thread is a good thread.....informative, good give and take, and not offensive to anyone but an "uptight few". Why should ANYONE's personal preferences dictate the posting "style" of any other member?? I think that is overbearing to ALL posters here. To stifle factual content because of personal linguistic preferences
is immature, self-centered, and rude. Just my opinion. To hijack a thread from it's topic in order to just "get your way" about how things are to be said according to your personal prejudices is condescendingly arrogant censorship. You Brits know better!
I met Twinky in 2007 at the GSC Texas BBQ at Jeff and Theresa Petrosky's home in TX. I enjoyed meeting her and very much enjoyed the entire BBQ! I met NotFromKansasAnymore, Tonto & T-Bone, Tom Strange, Doojable, George St. George, Ex10, and a number of other old friends. They were all there while I posted a few posts on that "IS THE CRISIS OVER" CES thread. We all had a fabulous time. I know that there are reasons for friction because of certain people's public and written support for jallyroll Lynn's fraudulent, self-serving, anti(against)-Christ "minus-tray". I am bound by my agreement to pastoral confidentiality not to say any more, and I will not. But, Twinky, you're just incorrect on this IMO. As a former Barrister, I expected more objectivity from you. But, I certainly understand the power and necessity of close friendships. It's family by choice. However, personal friendships do not determine facts or truth. Those things need to be dealt with by every individual human conscience. Just my opinions.
Hopefully, this thread may continue in the informative, debate style it has been. Personal preference should not determine one's freedom to post free from censorship. I certainly invite any relevant discussion to this thread. If the Mods think it better to take it the the Open subforum thread on decorum, so be it. If not, then I look forward to any and all replies............peace.
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It's easy to keep this thread going, if at least one person wants to.
Personally, when I get some time (if I get some time),
I'm interested in reviewing some individual letters and their contents.
That's just one obvious way to keep it going while being on-topic,
I'm sure there's a number of other ways to do that.
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Yup!
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I'm not a thread killer, DWBH. But the calm, more measured, objective, style often reaches people more than a rant does. You only have to read VPW's letters for rants, and think of the face-meltings many here endured. Imitating his style...isn't a good look, IMO. Can't we be objective, not objectionable?
Jesus called the Pharisees "nests of vipers" but he is kind to those who want to listen (including Pharisees). He did not mock people's names. He called them on their attitudes and (lack of) love for God. He did not attack anyone who loves God, even when they are in error. If he screamed at his followers in the behavior that has been modeled for us by some leaders - d'ya think he would have any followers? Wouldn't he be a "thread killer"? (A "red thread" killer, maybe.) But that's not how he behaved. And it's not what befits any other Christian leader, of any organization - or cult.
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I appreciate your opinions Twinky. I do not agree. And, NOBODY thinks I'm Jesus or that I ever could be. Thankfully, HE loved sinners, hung out with them and "publicans", and called them unto Himself. I'm one of those, aren't you?
Whoever reads or lurks here can think and post whatever they want. By their fruit shall ye know them. I happen to feel responsible to confront the Pharisees who inhabited and still run TWIt or any of the little splinter cults. I do so by factually and sometimes graphically describing their fruit in the lives of their followers and their "leaders" past and current. I will continue to do so until they repent and make restitution to those whose lives they destroyed and sometimes even took, according to the words of the Lord Himself as recorded in Matt 18. Until then, I promise you, I will never shut up or change my style. These lying, self-serving pigs have been doing their mud-slopping for 30 years now. They're still doing it. I will continue calling them out until I take my last breath or they do.
If you are serious about comparing my "rants", as YOU term them, with dictor paul's "face melting", neck-vein popping, spittle splattering, drunken "doctrine, reproof, and correction", or da forehead's even more bizarre psychotic breaks, then maybe you must have never really experienced a real one. Was your life "put together" by being in da corpse? How much did their "Christ-like ministering" do for you? How much like Christ were they? How calm were they? Serial rape and sexual assault, rabid homophobia, flaming neo-Nazi hatespeech, and you want me to not "call them names"??? Sorry, but I will NOT oblige you or them. Call me stubborn, call me vulgar, call me rude or disrespectful, or off-putting to all those lurkers and readers who YOU tell me are so intimidated or offended or scared of the big, bad, DWBH. Think of me and call me whatever YOU want. I simply don't care.
As I've posted before, often.....I enjoy your posts, perspectives, and how you and your churches in England really do help people as Jesus taught.
However, I will leave the editing and censorship to the Mods and Admins. Your's are just way to "proper" for me. Just another American rebellious freedom lover who has chosen never to be "ruled" by anyone other than Jesus Christ. Love to you and your's, and............peace.
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April 25, 1979
Translation: VPW is mediator between God and Corps. If you're lucky enough to be Corps. God gave you to VPW. I'm not really sure, this seams forced.
But I'm sure many can only see the LOVE in these statements.
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I will be reviewing one quasi-edit based on feedback and asking other moderators to reconsider the rest. Thanks for the feedback
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Evidently your mission statement, eh?
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Each one of these letters could be a thread of its own.
Spring 1982.
Isn't this whole letter VPW saying if you're not CORPS, you ain't worth a damn? This is an attitude that was always present, but rarely articulated, in TWI. People will deny it, but here it is?
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I guess so. To me it just reads like a bunch of platitudes strung together with some guilt motivation sprinkled in.
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To TLC, TWIt'n'vic apologist extraordinnaire:
YOU define nothing about me, most especially my "mission statement".
Here it is from the horse's mouth instead of your's located at the other end of the horse:
"I will continue to do so until they repent and make restitution to those whose lives they destroyed and sometimes even took, according to the words of the Lord Himself as recorded in Matt 18. Until then, I promise you, I will never shut up or change my style. These lying, self-serving pigs have been doing their mud-slopping for 30 years now. They're still doing it. I will continue calling them out until I take my last breath or they do."
Feel free to return to the topic everyone. I apologize for the brief detour.
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Basically an old-fashioned Facebook News-Feed.
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shortfuse
Yeah. Pretty much. I read these and I'm just so over this guy. I miss the LCM letters to the Corps. He was WAY crazier.
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Bolshevik
We need to build bombs. MORE bombs. BIGGER bombs. Bunch of dumb-dumb ignoramuses. It's THE WORD
Ah, LCM, he gave an inner voice to those who had none.
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At least I still have Trump.
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Bolshevik
Familiar Spirits.
The Adversary is copying LCM, again.
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First Athletes of the Spirit and now this? Hast thou no shame, Satan?
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