Wierwille and a Complicit Corps

[skyrider]

From its onset, the corps training (cough, cough) could not have been more wrong.....if its mission was to serve God and for the corps to live uprightly before others.

More than likely.....Wierwille's Agenda was to start at the end and work backwards.

....Clearly, wierwille wanted a complicit corps that would be subservient.

....Clearly, vpee devised a program to indoctrinate in increments.

....Clearly, vpee learned from his mistakes from the zero corps to not rush the process.

So, its like he "envisioned" the end result (disciplined subservience) and worked backwards. Oh, and it would work to his advantage to equate it with the 'School of Tyrannus' type of learning. So, make sure that discipline is key. Add some sales--dale carnegie instruction. Stress the importance of prayer lists. And, mock room set-ups for different meetings. And clone the automatons to walk in lockstep.

In essence.....totally disregard that pfal mumbo-jumbo of "Christ in you" and walking by the spirit. Slay individuality on the altar of twi.....and, thereby, snuff out any genuine gift ministries in their midst. Immerse the corps in the doctrine of "the man of god" as the ultimate authority.....which further alienates the corps indoctrinee from spirit within.

Wierwille sealed his failed legacy on the backs of corps slaving away for twi. The program failed miserably, because it was bass-ackwards to the tenets of Christianity and wholesome living. Today, the pathetic corps training hardly has enough "volunteers" to fill a shoe box. But maybe, in wierwille's twisted logic, "it fits like a shoe in a box."

For those who say that wierwille was "the man of God" and walked by revelation......I give you Exhibit A, The Corps Program. Nothing gives more concise evidence of wierwille's failure than his inresidence program.

Even the corps on hq staff register this complicity and wrongdoing. Exhibit B --- Rosalie, Donna and Linder.

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Edited June 29, 2015 by skyrider

[WordWolf]

When addressing the Way Corps themselves,

vpw once said that he used to look at how countries had military

forces, and the thing that stayed with him about them, the thing he

took away from them, was that they had soldiers who were willing to

go do what they were told without argument.

(That's really NOT the first thing one should take away from

any military organization, and if vpw had any actual exposure to

them other than the media, he would have known better.)

So, he said sarcastically, that, since there were no Christians he

saw willing to go into gunfire at an order, that "the armies are

stronger than God, our nations are stronger than God."

As if the sole measure of anything is the ability to get people to

go over a cliff for it.

Let's remember vpw's own "background" in the military...

Was he a veteran of any armed force? No.

Was he in the National Guard or Reserve? No.

(He lacked the military background of a DAN QUAYLE.)

Was he in the ROTC program in college? No.

So, he lacked any direct military training, even at the most

rudimentary, elementary level.

Did he come from a military family, where he saw the affects of

combat on those who went through it? Did he overhear at the

dinner table what it meant to go on training maneuvers?

No.

So, he lacked any direct exposure to the military, and he

lacked any INdirect exposure to the military.

What does that leave? On what did he base his (mis-)understanding

of the armed forces?

That leaves mass media- movies and television. He based his

concept about what makes the military work upon freaking

movies and television. How many of you think that movies

and television-especially back before the 70s- ever reflected

the realities of the military, or what made them bad, poor, good

or great?

That's the measure of a LAZY person, one who doesn't put in the

work to learn-but that's vpw from Day One.

When he was a child, he was lazy and skipped his chores.

When he was in school, he cheated at least part of the time

that we know of (he was a serial plagiarist.)

He chose to go specifically into preaching, and chose the

softest option of Divinity School- homiletics, the craft

of spinning a tale. His peers were in classes on Bible

Linguistics and so on-fields he later claimed to understand.

A year into his career as a preacher, and years after he

chose to be a preacher, he was INTRODUCED TO THE IDEA

THAT THE BIBLE WAS THE WORD OF GOD. That was around when

he first began actually reading the Bible with any regularity.

He based virtually everything he was remembered FONDLY FOR

ENTIRELY on the works of others- Bullinger, Stiles, Kenyon,

Leonard- almost all of it through plagiarism. All the rest

he's remembered fondly for was the books "by Victor Paul

Wierwille" that were written by the twi research staff.

He wrote none of it, nor did he edit, but his name was the

sole one on the covers.

The man was LAZY-which means he wanted others to do all the

work. The heights of twi was when he got people to do it.

And his model for getting a dedicated core of individuals

to do it?

His mangled view of the military, as presented in entertainment.

The military was there to be loyal and

"don't think-just follow orders"-

which is actually WARNED ABOUT rather than lauded-

in the REAL US military.

[skyrider]

When addressing the Way Corps themselves,

vpw once said that he used to look at how countries had military

forces, and the thing that stayed with him about them, the thing he

took away from them, was that they had soldiers who were willing to

go do what they were told without argument.

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Why is it......

Wierwille used his FIVE SENSES to gain insight into explaining Christian behavior

or his inspiration for the corps program? In pfal, wierwille states "...that HE LOOKED AROUND

and non-Christians were living more abundantly than the Christian believer (ie better homes,

vehicles, stuff)."

Same deal with the corps program.....wierwille LOOKS TO MILITARY TRAINING to set the tupos,

high example, of how believers should be disciplined and react to orders given.

Time and time again, we gain insight into wierwille's "revelation" and/or spiritual ineptness.

The guy was a con man looking for a way to market his programs and classes.....AND wanted

it sweetened with a heavy dose of lifetime adulation.

Wierwille could have been a first cousin to Simon the sorcerer. :anim-smile:/>/>/>/>

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Edited June 29, 2015 by skyrider

[waysider]

He used the revelation schtick to lend credibility to his pronouncements. He was no more tuned into a higher power than your average pet rock......and he knew it.

[skyrider]

All of his teachings, classes, sharings, nightowls......

and the guy couldn't walk the walk.

He could boast....

He could bloviate...

He could scold....

He could mock.....

He could NOT walk in newness of life.

If truth be told, the guy struggled with carnal baggage.

He couldn't even get past Romans 6....

let alone, to walk in love, walk in light, walk circumspectly in Ephesians.

[skyrider]

Remember how wierwille explained how Missionary Board Members select the location

of their missionary outreach? They get out the map of a select country and study

where there is a spot to inject their missionary efforts. Wierwille went to great

lengths to mock this "spiritual guidance from the Lord."

YET....wierwille did the same.

He took "spiritual guidance" from the marine corps to train devotees.

All that chain of command, follow orders crap was cultish conformity....not

listening to the spirit of God within.

Heck, if the right people were overseeing and teaching "disciples for Christ"....

I think that the Rome City, Indiana campus was a good fit. But unlike twi, there

should have been a set limit to those accepted into the program. Rather than cram

it to the hilt.....use healthy oversight and logic to accommodations.

Emporia campus.....nope.

Gunnison......another nope. Vpee's ego.

Tinnie, NM.....climb rocks to be godly.

[Steve Lortz]

Having spent 6 years as a petty officer in the US Navy before I ever heard of TWI, and having spent 2 blocks in residence before dropping out of the Way corps, I have to agree with everything skyrider and WordWolf have written here.

We had to be advanced class grads before being admitted into residence. After finishing the advanced class, I remember being a little disappointed at how little of the "other six" manifestations was taught. All we did was go over Old Testament examples, and compare what happened with the 16 keys to walking in the spirit. It was like the 16 keys to walking in the spirit were the pinnacle of spiritual teaching in TWI, and they weren't even spiritual. There was nothing more "spiritual" than that in the corps training.

The in residence classes were mostly classes we'd already had, or Dale Carnegie or how to hold a toothbrush, or listening to a corps coordinator or other big-wig bloviate endlessly. It seemed the purposes of the classroom training in the corps was to keep us from spending any time thinking freely, and to keep us sleep deprived. Real teaching is a conversation. In residence classes were run like the taped classes, we couldn't ask questions or comment. The only thing we learned from in residence classes was how to sleep with our eyes open.

Bad, bad BAD!!!!!

Love,

Steve

Edited June 30, 2015 by Steve Lortz

[GeorgeStGeorge]

The only thing we learned from in residence classes was how to sleep with our eyes open.

Well, at least you learned ONE useful life skill! :lol:

George

[skyrider]

We had to be advanced class grads before being admitted into residence. After finishing the advanced class, I remember being a little disappointed at how little of the "other six" manifestations was taught. All we did was go over Old Testament examples, and compare what happened with the 16 keys to walking in the spirit. It was like the 16 keys to walking in the spirit were the pinnacle of spiritual teaching in TWI, and they weren't even spiritual. There was nothing more "spiritual" than that in the corps training.

Bold-faced [by me].......for emphasis.

See, that's the thing with wierwille and twi.....he ALWAYS injected himself into the mix.

Victor Vanity Wierwille was his name.

Why were "the 16 keys" the take-away doctrine of the "advanced" class?

In other words, the PINNACLE of the advanced class was wierwille's formulaic keys to "walking by the spirit?"

Did the guy ALWAYS have to be in the spotlight? Did the guy ALWAYS have to sideline Jesus Christ?

And, you're right Steve......those 16 keys were the pinnacle of spiritual teaching in twi. Not once, in corps

training or clergy meetings, did I ever see wierwille, martindale, or geer expound or demonstrate otherwise.

The 16 candles.....er, keys were our "coming of age spiritually speaking."

NOT EVER......did I see wierwille operate any of those other six manifestations. You know, those revelation

or power/action manifestations. And, all of twi's bluster to call people "possessed"......NOT ONCE

did any mog, mogette, or mog-wannabe cast out a devil spirit.

[waysider]

"NOT EVER......did I see wierwille operate any of those other six manifestations. You know, those revelation

or power/action manifestations."

Key #1. To receive revelation you must first become meek. (pg. 10 of AC syllabus)

Hmmmmm. I think I might have uncovered the problem.

[skyrider]

From its onset, the corps training (cough, cough) could not have been more wrong.....

Silly me......I had been spending too much time reading about Jesus and his disciples.

1) I was expecting the corps program to have open dialogue.

2) I was expecting quiet time in the morning; time with God.

3) I was expecting thought-provoking answers to deep questions.

4) I was expecting to see the power of God in action.

5) I was expecting to see instantaneous healings.

6) I was expecting to see "water turned into wine."

7) I was expecting to learn how vpw walked by revelation.

8) I was expecting to see Ephesians come alive.

Silly me......I was in the wrong administration.

Somehow, I'd been transported into the "Man's Wrath and Judgment" period.

[WordWolf]

"NOT EVER......did I see wierwille operate any of those other six manifestations. You know, those revelation

or power/action manifestations."

Key #1. To receive revelation you must first become meek. (pg. 10 of AC syllabus)

Hmmmmm. I think I might have uncovered the problem.

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The spoken three were possible to fake!

Anyone can pronounce syllables with conviction-that's just basic improv acting!

Adding a supposed message from God with conviction-that's slightly better improv acting!

Just speaking a supposed message from God with conviction-improv acting at that same level!

It wasn't like vpw was even GOOD at faking them.

Whenever he supposedly began SIT in public, it sounded like EXACTLY THE SAME SENTENCE

most of the time.

Then people come along and say "I know he was the real deal because I saw him

speak in tongues." Naturally, they know that's what they saw because HE said that's

what it looks like when you do it, and they never thought to check if he was

mistaken or lying because he supposedly had this fantastic connection to God Almighty.

Whether or not one believes it is possible to do them for real nowadays, it's plainly

obvious they can be FAKED nowadays. vpw faked them, and didn't even do a good job

of it.

As for the others, how can you fake instant healing, or healing days of damage in hours?

Why did vpw need glasses if he could heal whenever he wanted? Why did he have eye damage

if he could heal whenever he wanted? Why did he have liver damage if he could heal

whenever he wanted? Why did he die slowly and painfully of cancer if he could heal

whenever he wanted?

If any of you think the answer is "Because he refused to heal,"

I freaking feel sorry for you. He certainly would not have chosen the extended

pain of enduring cancer.

It's rather obvious he could NOT heal whenever he wanted to- because he could have

reversed the slow killing of his body by the illnesses he cultivated through

poor stewardship of his body, through chronic drink and chronic smoking.

Even ONE "miracle" of healing would have reversed it all.

And he never WANTED to hear from God, because God disapproves of much of the

policies vpw showed he thought he should get away with- raping, drugging,

molesting, plagiarizing, gluttony of vices, etc.

Even one message of "the alcohol and cigarettes are killing you" would have

been enough-

if he wanted to hear from God, and if he would heed a warning from God

and not cling to his vices.

So, vpw couldn't fake the big 6, so he never tried to fool people on those-

at least not that often and not that many people at a time.

Silly me......I had been spending too much time reading about Jesus and his disciples.

1) I was expecting the corps program to have open dialogue.

2) I was expecting quiet time in the morning; time with God.

3) I was expecting thought-provoking answers to deep questions.

4) I was expecting to see the power of God in action.

5) I was expecting to see instantaneous healings.

6) I was expecting to see "water turned into wine."

7) I was expecting to learn how vpw walked by revelation.

8) I was expecting to see Ephesians come alive.

Silly me......I was in the wrong administration.

Somehow, I'd been transported into the "Man's Wrath and Judgment" period.

You were lied to.

You were promised that all of those were at the core of twi, when, if anything,

they were more at the local levels-and always were.

[skyrider]

You were lied to.

You were promised that all of those were at the core of twi, when, if anything,

they were more at the local levels-and always were.

Yep.....the corps program was based on a series of lies.

Wierwille had NO ability to train/send forth leaders to serve others.

Wierwille had NO intention of establishing open dialogue.

Wierwille had NO credibility in researching biblical truths.

Wierwille had NO integrity in establishing proper boundaries.

In my mind, his name will forever be coupled with Jim Jones and David Koresh.

Edited July 8, 2015 by skyrider