I remember back when I was in my 20s/30s there weren't many seniors in any twig I was in. We gave them some love during fellowship, but didn't really want to hang with them other than that.
It occurs to me that in the late 70s the powers that were in twi were not seniors. Today, Rosalie is in her 70s and Howard Allen is in his 80s. Would that possibly affect the treatment of seniors in twi? They can't say it's their problem anymore because they are them.
I remember back when I was in my 20s/30s there weren't many seniors in any twig I was in. We gave them some love during fellowship, but didn't really want to hang with them other than that.
It occurs to me that in the late 70s the powers that were in twi were not seniors. Today, Rosalie is in her 70s and Howard Allen is in his 80s. Would that possibly affect the treatment of seniors in twi? They can't say it's their problem anymore because they are them.
They might say nothing, and just enjoy their golden parachutes.
Remember, to ask questions in twi ABOUT twi risks social punishments and possible expulsion.
Yes, they could do that but it would be in direct contradiction to Way dogma. During the time of my involvement, we were told NOT to help any charities. We were only to help local people if they were standing Way believers, preferably those at a leadership level.. Instead of giving to charitable causes, we were supposed to help people in need by selling them a seat in the PFAL class so *The Word* could help them. Remember, also, we were taught that God could not bless you unless you tithed (10%) and abundantly shared (over and above 10%). In fact Martindale is famous for saying that "God wouldn't even bother to spit in your direction" for anything less than 15%. It's quite a dilemma. If you leave, where do you give your money? I know when I left, I had apprehensions about what would happen because I no longer abundantly shared.
I know what happened when you no long abundantly shared - you had MORE money!!!
Remember, to ask questions in twi ABOUT twi risks social punishments and possible expulsion.
Um, to be IN twi, you've already been socially punished and expelled.
. . .
It occurs to me that in the late 70s the powers that were in twi were not seniors. Today, Rosalie is in her 70s and Howard Allen is in his 80s. Would that possibly affect the treatment of seniors in twi? They can't say it's their problem anymore because they are them.
It occurs to me that in the late 70s the powers that were in twi were not seniors. Today, Rosalie is in her 70s and Howard Allen is in his 80s. Would that possibly affect the treatment of seniors in twi? They can't say it's their problem anymore because they are them.
Not exactly.
H.E. Wierwille, Sec/Treasurer of twi died in 1977........age 70
Ermal Owens, vice prez of twi died in 1979...............age 69
And, in December 1979......vpee was 63
So, at WHAT AGE does one have to be to "understand how to deal with seniors?"
Problems shmoblems. Everyone has problems. Just keep sending us those blue forms and lots of money. And make sure you don't dip into the ABS to pay the postage. God will know.
H.E. Wierwille, Sec/Treasurer of twi died in 1977........age 70
Ermal Owens, vice prez of twi died in 1979...............age 69
And, in December 1979......vpee was 63
So, at WHAT AGE does one have to be to "understand how to deal with seniors?" :rolleyes:/>
I'm going to be a senior in a few years, I guess. I'm going to deal with me. I don't expect help from anybody and I don't plan to ever retire. BTW Ermal died in 1981.
......I'm going to be a senior in a few years, I guess. I'm going to deal with me. I don't expect help from anybody and I don't plan to ever retire.........
H.E. Wierwille, Sec/Treasurer of twi died in 1977........age 70
Ermal Owens, vice prez of twi died in 1979...............age 69
And, in December 1979......vpee was 63
So, at WHAT AGE does one have to be to "understand how to deal with seniors?" :rolleyes:/>
*checks calender* . . . Those folks, assuming they actually existed, ha ha ha , what do they have to do with modern seniors?
Those folks belong in myth. How much do relevant discussions of twi need to involve them? If this were 20 years ago, maybe. Today, it's as if they never existed. They exist in discussion to hide other matters.
They're not here, they don't matter. When dealing with modern wayfer seniors, does the past behavior of twi matter? Is it relevant? Doesn't johniam have a point?
A peninsula is attached to the mainland. You tell me.
Hmmm, I thought we were talking about twi...The board of trustees, other high ranking twi decision makers...the organization as a whole. They simply love things and use people...until people are no longer of any use...they kick em' to the curb.
Hmmm, I thought we were talking about twi...The board of trustees, other high ranking twi decision makers...the organization as a whole. They simply love things and use people...until people are no longer of any use...they kick em' to the curb.
Hmmm, I thought we were talking about twi...The board of trustees, other high ranking twi decision makers...the organization as a whole. They simply love things and use people...until people are no longer of any use...they kick em' to the curb.
This site is notorious for pushing past reality on the present. This thread in particular I find a little personal.
Retirement was talked about in The Way often enough since the 80s. Which is as far back as I can remember. This thread is appears again to be more mocking nonsense when there's actually a need for knowledge. Numerous points are being left out. Groupthink is held just as tightly here as in The Way. At least nobody here is getting hit with sticks.
Taking a modern, relevant problem, and viewing it through the lens of years ago. I'm sure there's a name for that.
Maybe there was no goal with this thread. It seemed to conclude itself in the opening post. I do have great interest, in what I thought the title of this thread meant, so yes I felt let down.
Maybe you perceive curveballs in my posts. I don't see them. If you weren't there, you won't get it.
And again, your opening post seems to want to address TODAY. The posts here of mainly of YESTERDAY.
History is always rewritten. Followers of The Way read The Bible, which is ever-changing, and talk of Wierwille, who exists only in people's minds.
The retirement subject involves generations people in and out of twi. To say twi "kicks people to the curb", to point at leadership, is a lazy cop-out. All organizations do that.
Retirement was talked about. Sometimes by leadership. Mostly by the rank and file PFAL grad - who were a step above the rest of us.
The follower of the The Way will follow their reality . . . and take whoever they can down with them.
But skyrider, do you propose any ideas on how to deal with retiring wayfers? Or are we just here to mock?
Recommended Posts
Top Posters In This Topic
16
20
35
17
Popular Days
Jul 13
18
Jun 27
15
Dec 5
15
Nov 2
12
Top Posters In This Topic
skyrider 16 posts
waysider 20 posts
Bolshevik 35 posts
Grace Valerie Claire 17 posts
Popular Days
Jul 13 2017
18 posts
Jun 27 2017
15 posts
Dec 5 2014
15 posts
Nov 2 2014
12 posts
Popular Posts
outandabout
I know what happened when you no long abundantly shared - you had MORE money!!!
skyrider
Well.......since posting these questions in November 2014, the cult has definitely answered them for me. That "kinder and gentler" messaging was a lie. That "Revival and Restoration" Group addre
outandabout
We didn't have a gun to our heads but I do remember the teaching in WOW training about "vowing a vow" so we were trained to believe that we were breaking a promise to God if we left the WOW field and
johniam
I remember back when I was in my 20s/30s there weren't many seniors in any twig I was in. We gave them some love during fellowship, but didn't really want to hang with them other than that.
It occurs to me that in the late 70s the powers that were in twi were not seniors. Today, Rosalie is in her 70s and Howard Allen is in his 80s. Would that possibly affect the treatment of seniors in twi? They can't say it's their problem anymore because they are them.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
Link to comment
Share on other sites
WordWolf
They might say nothing, and just enjoy their golden parachutes.
Remember, to ask questions in twi ABOUT twi risks social punishments and possible expulsion.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
outandabout
I know what happened when you no long abundantly shared - you had MORE money!!!
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
Um, to be IN twi, you've already been socially punished and expelled.
Yep
Link to comment
Share on other sites
skyrider
Not exactly.
H.E. Wierwille, Sec/Treasurer of twi died in 1977........age 70
Ermal Owens, vice prez of twi died in 1979...............age 69
And, in December 1979......vpee was 63
So, at WHAT AGE does one have to be to "understand how to deal with seniors?"
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
Problems shmoblems. Everyone has problems. Just keep sending us those blue forms and lots of money. And make sure you don't dip into the ABS to pay the postage. God will know.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
Here is one for the "for what it's worth" department. It's not just The Way. Here is the accompanying video.
edit: I also posted this on the ABS thread.
Edited by waysiderLink to comment
Share on other sites
johniam
I'm going to be a senior in a few years, I guess. I'm going to deal with me. I don't expect help from anybody and I don't plan to ever retire. BTW Ermal died in 1981.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
Good for you, Johnny. I wish you luck with that.
"No man is an island.".....John Donne
Link to comment
Share on other sites
johniam
What if I'm a peninsula?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
A peninsula is attached to the mainland. You tell me.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
*checks calender* . . . Those folks, assuming they actually existed, ha ha ha , what do they have to do with modern seniors?
Those folks belong in myth. How much do relevant discussions of twi need to involve them? If this were 20 years ago, maybe. Today, it's as if they never existed. They exist in discussion to hide other matters.
They're not here, they don't matter. When dealing with modern wayfer seniors, does the past behavior of twi matter? Is it relevant? Doesn't johniam have a point?
*digs canal*
Link to comment
Share on other sites
skyrider
The age gap in today's twi, where leaders rule over the followers,
is less than in wierwille's day.....
Twi's Trustees at PFAL '77
In 1977......vpw was 60
In 1977......ermal was 65
In 1977......harry was 70
Lots of us were 23-25 years old.
Gee.......only like a 40 year age gap.
Today's "average" age is what?....48?
Lots of 55-63 year olds boosting the "average" age in twi.
Even when Don and Howard were "installed"......many of us
still thought of Howard as vpee's bus driver. lol
.
Edited by skyriderLink to comment
Share on other sites
GrouchoMarxJr
"Now, if we could just figure who THEY are . "
Hmmm, I thought we were talking about twi...The board of trustees, other high ranking twi decision makers...the organization as a whole. They simply love things and use people...until people are no longer of any use...they kick em' to the curb.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
Your reality does not exist.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
skyrider
Bolshevik......this thread seems to be of great interest to you,
yet you seem more intent on throwing curveballs and leaving.
Perhaps, you would like to clarify your points?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
WordWolf
Yes it does.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
What curveball?
Not on here everyday.
PROVE IT.
The innies have known for decades. Nothing is a surprise.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
skyrider
You just did.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
Skyrider,
This site is notorious for pushing past reality on the present. This thread in particular I find a little personal.
Retirement was talked about in The Way often enough since the 80s. Which is as far back as I can remember. This thread is appears again to be more mocking nonsense when there's actually a need for knowledge. Numerous points are being left out. Groupthink is held just as tightly here as in The Way. At least nobody here is getting hit with sticks.
Taking a modern, relevant problem, and viewing it through the lens of years ago. I'm sure there's a name for that.
Maybe there was no goal with this thread. It seemed to conclude itself in the opening post. I do have great interest, in what I thought the title of this thread meant, so yes I felt let down.
Maybe you perceive curveballs in my posts. I don't see them. If you weren't there, you won't get it.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
skyrider
Bolshevik......thanks for more clarifying your points.
Not sure about your comment on "Retirement was talked about in The Way often enough since the 80s."
I was on hq staff in the early 80s.....and there was VERY LITTLE TALK about retirement, except to say
that vpee and co. pointed to Dorothy Owens and Rhoda Wierwille and Bernita Jess as examples of "who
needs to retire?"
And.....when wierwille was promoting to the sunset corps his **build a cabin at Gunnison and when you die
it becomes twi property** there were NO TAKERS.
Fast Forward to 1995-1996......and this retirement topic was addressed by martindale in a corps
meeting. As full-time corps staff, one couple requested more information about twi's retirement policy
and how they [this couple] should be planning for their retirement. Well, after lcm scoffed at the
audacity of being presented with the question, he got MORE AGITATED as he attempted to explain twi's
stance on retirement. Within another five minutes, and martindale was yelling at the couple for
insinuating that the board of directors didn't have the corps' best interest in mind.
From what I'd heard back in like 2004.....Rosalie [finally] established a semblance of a retirement
package amongst the staffers. Reports seemed to indicate that twi's lawyers were heavily involved in
recommending this in twi's corporate arrangement to avoid further liability. But then again, some
posters said that this was more of a cya-policy and not a heart/compassion/reasoned retirement policy.
With my 24-year tenure in twi as corps/staff/clergy.....its just my opinion.
.
Edited by skyriderLink to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
It was all Biblical in nature though. Was it not?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
And again, your opening post seems to want to address TODAY. The posts here of mainly of YESTERDAY.
History is always rewritten. Followers of The Way read The Bible, which is ever-changing, and talk of Wierwille, who exists only in people's minds.
The retirement subject involves generations people in and out of twi. To say twi "kicks people to the curb", to point at leadership, is a lazy cop-out. All organizations do that.
Retirement was talked about. Sometimes by leadership. Mostly by the rank and file PFAL grad - who were a step above the rest of us.
The follower of the The Way will follow their reality . . . and take whoever they can down with them.
But skyrider, do you propose any ideas on how to deal with retiring wayfers? Or are we just here to mock?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.