On 3/30/2016 at 1:31 AM, DontWorryBeHappy said:
The following was posted by mrap in response to the news that dictor barnard was arrested and jailed in Brazil awaiting extradition to the US for trial on 59 counts of sexual assault on a minor:
At the time, this post was so offensive to me, that the only response I could muster was "Ugh!" Now that dictor Barnard is heading home for JUSTICE, I would like to address the incredibly offensive post plopped down here.
Yeah So? What does that mean? TWI's rampant, institutionalized, serial sexual and spiritual abuse is just another of the many? That makes it somehow less "horrific"? Let me remind you mrap, these were not merely "horrific acts", they are horrific CRIMES with horrific damage done to human beings willfully with malice and forethought. It's not just some family secret, military coverup, or "run of the mill" clergy scandal in the Catholic Church. These are felonies times 59! The serial rape and sexual abuse of minor females was willfully perpetrated upon minor females AT LEAST 59 times over 9 years on only 2 out of 10 VICTIMS. That's right.......VICTIMS. It was done with approval and consent of the parents who had also engaged in barnard's godly adultery and wife-snatching. Tornambe's wife and his other daughter are still with the cult in WA, where they were living with barnard's wife!!
It's "the power"! That is such a hopelessly myopic statement. IT IS PATHOLOGICAL BEHAVIOR. Mental illness or what you call "debbil spurt possession". Barnard had no "power" over these people other than that which they willingly and willfully gave him. He was no military officer or rich millionaire boss. He was and is a pathologically disturbed mentally ill individual of very little consequence outside of his cult. It DOES NOT just "hurt when it "hits home"! It hurts every single time it occurs to any innocent victim anywhere any time. It hurt Lindsay Tornambe the instant her criminal parents agreed to give her to Barnard for his use. Carmen's corpse grad spouse had already enjoyed sexual relations with her apostle, so why shouldn't her daughters?!! That was horrific criminal and pathological crime right then and there for little 13 year old Lindsay Tornambe! It's just like any other rape case. She was asking for it wasn't she? Well it ain't my daughter, is it?
THEY SHOULD AND COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT AND DID NOT! They consented! Should they be guilt ridden? No! They should be in jail. Jallyroll lynn took a $1000 honorarium and free plane tickets to teach at RRF in the late 90's. Brad Thorpe former twit limp leader and head of HR at new Knoxville for many years was also there. Jallyroll got Barnard to take Momentus and he knew what Barnard was up to. Well.....jallyroll took the $1000, went home and never confronted Barnard! It wasn't until Barnard angrily rejected Momentus and CES theology that jallyroll cut any ties.
It's not a matter of what YOU or we want. It is that Lindsay DESERVES JUSTICE and so does Barnard! Whether we want it or not is immaterial. What does Justice demand?? Lindsay Tornambe did not have a choice as to which "emotion" she wanted to "wallow in". She was a captive from age 13 to age 21! Don't you get that? Apparently not. She chose not to lie and play the game.She stood up for herself and justice, and isn't running around for 30 years playing the blame game like you. You have a lot to learn from her. She's not playing some whiney victim card. She sought and is obtaining PROFESSIONAL help from real doctors and lawyers and law enforcement.
Is it a fact Peggy Tornambe slept with Victor or just a general of course they all did ??
"They all " meaning all the adult married or unmarried women. Don't worry be happy said she meaning Peggy (LIndsay mom) slept with victor. I was wondering if he had first hand knowledge of that or just a general opinion that Victor slept with all the women and teenage girls.
Yes Victor was quite a character. I knew him years ago and he was always manipulative and thinking about him now he always had the "creep factor" of a predator! So sorry for Lindsay and the trauma she endured for being under the rule of that psychopath, she is brave for what she is doing!!
Yes Victor was quite a character. I knew him years ago and he was always manipulative and thinking about him now he always had the "creep factor" of a predator! So sorry for Lindsay and the trauma she endured for being under the rule of that psychopath, she is brave for what she is doing!!
It was widely reported in investigative reports when the charges were first brought on VB that earlier there were confrontations between Barnard and other cult officials over his sleeping with numerous married women. It almost broke up the group at that time but VB managed to convince them that he would stop.
I am not sure where it was mentioned first that Peggy was one of those women, and it may not even have been in my reading here at Greasespot. I know that Carmen in an interview said he could not confirm it and said he had no knowledge of it.
I believe DWBH was reciting from a report of it, not from first-hand knowledge. I know I too have seen it stated somewhere. In interviews with the victims it was made clear that once Peggy heard from Lindsay about what VB did to her Peggy rejected the story and stayed with Barnard, supposedly moving to WA with the group.
You might be interested in this thread from 2009 by a former member of RRF
It was widely reported in investigative reports when the charges were first brought on VB that earlier there were confrontations between Barnard and other cult officials over his sleeping with numerous married women. It almost broke up the group at that time but VB managed to convince them that he would stop.
I am not sure where it was mentioned first that Peggy was one of those women, and it may not even have been in my reading here at Greasespot. I know that Carmen in an interview said he could not confirm it and said he had no knowledge of it.
I believe DWBH was reciting from a report of it, not from first-hand knowledge. I know I too have seen it stated somewhere. In interviews with the victims it was made clear that once Peggy heard from Lindsay about what VB did to her Peggy rejected the story and stayed with Barnard, supposedly moving to WA with the group.
You might be interested in this thread from 2009 by a former member of RRF
I know for a fact Peggy is still devoted to him (Victor) even after he has plead guilty. I know Lacey (2nd oldest daughter) is still out in Spokane or Bellingham area. I can only guess she supports him also. It's crazy how deep seeded their thinking is for this Monster. I feel so sorry for Lindsay, she is Isolated and going through this without her families support. I know she has her extended family, which is wonderful, but for her own mother to deny all of this. She says (Peggy) "Lindsay has things confused". What a line of crap that is.
I am glad she at least has the support of extended family. She has been through so much and deserves whatever hugs she can get. Barnard would not have pled guilty if Lindsay and Jess had it "confused". At least by his plea he spared his followers from lying in court. They are stuck with lying to themselves.
Excerpts from survivors' (Jess and Lindsay) statements included in a couple of the linked articles.
It might be important to remember and reflect on the fact that Barnard didn't come up with his scheme completely out of the blue. His "father in the word" sowed the seeds, and so did LCM. And current prez Rosalie R, as noted in documents from legal proceedings related to Martindale's misadventures was fully aware of the sexual abuse at TWI's top levels of leadership at least as far back as the early 1990s.
Thanks for that, Ex. It's good to know that some people out there know what I'm talking about (and know much better than I).
I vaguely remember Carmen Tornambe because he was in the 12th Corps and in residence with the 14th Corps (and was a man with a woman's name). He left Barnard's group, and talked to investigators, but his wife, Peggy, left him and stayed with Barnard. Their daughter, Lindsay, told me that Peggy didn't want to hear anything she had to say about Barnard's lechery, saying she was still standing with Victor no matter what. Lindsay doesn't speak to her mother anymore.
Lindsay also doesn't speak to her father, because she says he's still in denial about what happened to her — and wants people to feel sorry for him because he lost his whole family. Well, boo-hoo. If Carmen Tornambe thinks he's the victim here, I can only pity his cluelessness.
Karl, I have a question. Could the parents be charged with child abuse, or anything else? Why the hell would they give their daughter to VB??!!
Karl, I have a question. Could the parents be charged with child abuse, or anything else? Why the hell would they give their daughter to VB??!!
Technically, that's a question for an attorney. Change the "could" to "would" and it becomes subjective and a matter of how severe the public perception becomes.
Technically, that's a question for an attorney. Change the "could" to "would" and it becomes subjective and a matter of how severe the public perception becomes.
Rocky, you are right that it is a legal matter, but I don't understand why a couple would give a child away, like they did. I guess that is a question for Mental Health Specialists to answer.
Yes Victor was quite a character. I knew him years ago and he was always manipulative and thinking about him now he always had the "creep factor" of a predator! So sorry for Lindsay and the trauma she endured for being under the rule of that psychopath, she is brave for what she is doing!!
FO, I agree that she is a brave young lady, but it angers me that she was given away by her parents. I think she may have a lot of psychological problems for the rest of her life, because of what VB put her through. I am not an attorney; but I hope her parents do time, for what they allowed to happen to her, and her sisters. Perhaps that is unchristian of me to say that, but I think Lindsey(?) is/was the innocent one in the matter; she was a minor, and didn't have a choice in what happened to her. IMO, her parents are as guilty in the whole affair, as VB.
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Links to local and national news coverage, including video from Fox9 and the Minneapolis Star Tribune. Photo essay... Star Tribune article with video Two Childhood Rape Survivors Just Ended a C
MnMom
I know for a fact Peggy is still devoted to him (Victor) even after he has plead guilty. I know Lacey (2nd oldest daughter) is still out in Spokane or Bellingham area. I can only guess she supports
Broken Arrow
Un-bel-ievable!!! That any parent, but especially a parent who espouses to know God, would literally sacrifice not just one daughter but two and thinking they're doing God's will somehow! How wazzed o
DontWorryBeHappy
Fine with me. Whatever.
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JayDee
Fine with me too. Personally have no more to say re CFFM.
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DontWorryBeHappy
I don't either.
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MnMom
Which sister took her place Lacey, Victoria or Danielle ??
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Is it a fact Peggy Tornambe slept with Victor or just a general of course they all did ??
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who is the "they all" that you're asking about?
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"They all " meaning all the adult married or unmarried women. Don't worry be happy said she meaning Peggy (LIndsay mom) slept with victor. I was wondering if he had first hand knowledge of that or just a general opinion that Victor slept with all the women and teenage girls.
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Yes Victor was quite a character. I knew him years ago and he was always manipulative and thinking about him now he always had the "creep factor" of a predator! So sorry for Lindsay and the trauma she endured for being under the rule of that psychopath, she is brave for what she is doing!!
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Rocky
And Jess too.
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It was widely reported in investigative reports when the charges were first brought on VB that earlier there were confrontations between Barnard and other cult officials over his sleeping with numerous married women. It almost broke up the group at that time but VB managed to convince them that he would stop.
I am not sure where it was mentioned first that Peggy was one of those women, and it may not even have been in my reading here at Greasespot. I know that Carmen in an interview said he could not confirm it and said he had no knowledge of it.
I believe DWBH was reciting from a report of it, not from first-hand knowledge. I know I too have seen it stated somewhere. In interviews with the victims it was made clear that once Peggy heard from Lindsay about what VB did to her Peggy rejected the story and stayed with Barnard, supposedly moving to WA with the group.
You might be interested in this thread from 2009 by a former member of RRF
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I know for a fact Peggy is still devoted to him (Victor) even after he has plead guilty. I know Lacey (2nd oldest daughter) is still out in Spokane or Bellingham area. I can only guess she supports him also. It's crazy how deep seeded their thinking is for this Monster. I feel so sorry for Lindsay, she is Isolated and going through this without her families support. I know she has her extended family, which is wonderful, but for her own mother to deny all of this. She says (Peggy) "Lindsay has things confused". What a line of crap that is.
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I am glad she at least has the support of extended family. She has been through so much and deserves whatever hugs she can get. Barnard would not have pled guilty if Lindsay and Jess had it "confused". At least by his plea he spared his followers from lying in court. They are stuck with lying to themselves.
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Grace Valerie Claire
Sick, sick, sick!!! How in the name of God, did VB get away with raping those girls for so many years??!!
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Rocky
Barnard was sentenced today. 30 years, as expected.
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Links to local and national news coverage, including video from Fox9 and the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
Photo essay...
Star Tribune article with video
Two Childhood Rape Survivors Just Ended a Cult Leader’s Terrifying Reign (nymag.com)
Minnesota Cult Leader Victor Barnard Sentenced to 30 Years (nymag.com)
Excerpts from survivors' (Jess and Lindsay) statements included in a couple of the linked articles.
It might be important to remember and reflect on the fact that Barnard didn't come up with his scheme completely out of the blue. His "father in the word" sowed the seeds, and so did LCM. And current prez Rosalie R, as noted in documents from legal proceedings related to Martindale's misadventures was fully aware of the sexual abuse at TWI's top levels of leadership at least as far back as the early 1990s.
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Modgellan
This happened 01/08/2017 but the news was not posted until today.
Victor Barnard beaten in prison, taken to hospital
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Twinky
One of many beatings, possibly. Sex predators, especially on children, are fair game in many prison.
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Grace Valerie Claire
Karl, I have a question. Could the parents be charged with child abuse, or anything else? Why the hell would they give their daughter to VB??!!
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Rocky
Technically, that's a question for an attorney. Change the "could" to "would" and it becomes subjective and a matter of how severe the public perception becomes.
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Grace Valerie Claire
Rocky, you are right that it is a legal matter, but I don't understand why a couple would give a child away, like they did. I guess that is a question for Mental Health Specialists to answer.
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FO, I agree that she is a brave young lady, but it angers me that she was given away by her parents. I think she may have a lot of psychological problems for the rest of her life, because of what VB put her through. I am not an attorney; but I hope her parents do time, for what they allowed to happen to her, and her sisters. Perhaps that is unchristian of me to say that, but I think Lindsey(?) is/was the innocent one in the matter; she was a minor, and didn't have a choice in what happened to her. IMO, her parents are as guilty in the whole affair, as VB.
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Grace Valerie Claire
Thank God!!!
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