On 5/21/2024 at 8:03 PM, Human without the bean said:
Okay it's me. One momento.
Eight minutes later, and 39 hours. What cost actor Roddy McDowall a Best Supporting actor Oscar for his performance as Octavian in the 1963 Epic film "Cleopatra"?
No, he was nominated. I had a mental block until I finally came up with this. It's because I've been thinking about something for this thread but instead I'm going to start a new thread that will be a different take on movies. Hope it's fun.
By the way, I don't think Roddy McDowall ever received an acting Oscar. He may have gotten an Honorary Oscar but they don't count imo. And unless you happen to collect Roddy McDowall memorabilia or have a thing for him and his movies, career, etc. or are a walking Oscar thesaurus I would put this trivia at about 8 or 8.5 in terms of difficulty, ten being the highest.
The Oscars for 1963 movies were given in 1964. Cleopatra was nominated but didn't win Best Picture.
Rex Harrison was nominated for Best Actor for his role in Cleopatra, but didn't win.
The nominees for Best Supporting Actor were Melvyn Douglas, Hugh Griffith, Bobby Darin, John Huston, and Nick Adams. No Roddy McDowall.
Maybe your question was, Why wasn't he nominated?
George
I checked it out, you're right, Roddy McDowall wasn't nominated in the category of Best Supporting Actor because Twentieth Century Fox mistakenly nominated him for Best Actor instead.
I'm guessing then, that the Academy removed his official nomination because of the error. He was nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor, but didn't win. I was right Roddy McDowall didn't win an Oscar. In fact, he was never nominated (except through the clerical error that probably cost him the Oscar). Here's Twentieth C. statement released to the trade papers at the time and an apology to Roddy McDowall.
"We feel that it is important that the industry realize that your electric performance as Octavian in 'Cleopatra,' which was unanimously singled out by the critics as one of the best supporting performances by an actor this year, is not eligible for an Academy Award nomination in that category . . . due to a regrettable error on the part of Twentieth Century Fox."
Good guess. No. He wasn't as famous as Spencer, but he made a name for himself. Hoping that this isn't throwing a monkey wrench in here but he had career on the side as a singer with one song in 1962 that reached #5 in the Billboard 100. He starred in a popular TV show that lasted six years (1957 to 1963. Frequently starred with Gary Cooper.
Ok, as per the first post in the thread, I'm posting clues about a movie.
This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
Included as weapons in that specific fight were a HAND GRENADE, brass knuckles, a whip, a machete, and a TRIDENT.
This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
Included as weapons in that specific fight were a HAND GRENADE, brass knuckles, a whip, a machete, and a TRIDENT.
It was a 5-team melee, not a simple fist-fight (obviously), and those paying attention saw the use of a net, and a man on fire. One guy entered the fight smoking a pipe, which was not used as a weapon- someone threw him a machete before he ambushed another fighter getting too distracted before he tried to murder another. (Pretty SHARP machete, too- it took the guy's arm off with one chop.)
It looked like it was going to be team-on-team, until the third team arrived....then the fourth team arrived....and finally the fifth team arrived, making it "a bilingual brouhaha", as someone from the fourth team put it.
Amazingly, despite all that, there were actual, agreed-upon rules. "No touching of the hair and face." "Obviously." There was at least one guy killed, but his hair and face were left alone. Amazingly (or not, given that this was a comedy), the fight was interrupted by the cops arriving, but NOBODY was arrested in the movie, or even charged (despite weapons dropped at the scene, presumably leaving fingerprints behind.)
This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
Included as weapons in that specific fight were a HAND GRENADE, brass knuckles, a whip, a machete, and a TRIDENT.
It was a 5-team melee, not a simple fist-fight (obviously), and those paying attention saw the use of a net, and a man on fire. One guy entered the fight smoking a pipe, which was not used as a weapon- someone threw him a machete before he ambushed another fighter getting too distracted before he tried to murder another. (Pretty SHARP machete, too- it took the guy's arm off with one chop.)
It looked like it was going to be team-on-team, until the third team arrived....then the fourth team arrived....and finally the fifth team arrived, making it "a bilingual brouhaha", as someone from the fourth team put it. BTW, the number of teams was a plot point, especially with the first 3 teams.
Amazingly, despite all that, there were actual, agreed-upon rules. "No touching of the hair and face." "Obviously." There was at least one guy killed, but his hair and face were left alone. Amazingly (or not, given that this was a comedy), the fight was interrupted by the cops arriving, but NOBODY was arrested in the movie, or even charged (despite weapons dropped at the scene, presumably leaving fingerprints behind.)
-This movie's title was partly inspired by adult films.
-One of the main characters seemed to have no redeeming qualities. However, he can, at least, play the flute rather well.
-A restaurant appeared in this movie. The restaurant's name was in Spanish. "Escupimos En Su Alimento." Or, in English, "We Spit in Your Food."
The flute was the tip-off. And now I seem to remember the fight.
George
Correct.
How could you forget THAT fight? The 3 major networks' news teams got ready, then the PBS team arrived, and finally the Spanish news- with Ben Stiller as their anchor. There was a guy on fire, and someone had a trident thrown into their chest, and so on.
This was one of a very famous star's first movies. He had already starred in a TV show.
Kelly McGillis had secured the female lead, but was fired early in the shoot because she wasn't considered to be pretty or sexy enough. Julia Louis-Dreyfuss was also considered for the role.
Some considered for the male lead ("Rick") were Paul Reiser, Jim Carrey, Howie Mandel and Tim Robbins.
The scene where the nude Tracy (Monique Gabrielle) seduces Rick was cut out of mainstream TV broadcasts. Gabrielle said they also shot a TV version where she wears a negligee with one strap lowered, but it was also cut out of broadcasts because it showed too much cleavage.
FWIW, while my (now ex-) wife spent the night before our wedding with her daughters, sisters, and friends, I was home arranging deliveries, writing checks... We DID have a rehearsal dinner...
Some prints of this movie omit the final line from a scene- one of my favorite lines from the movie- "Every one of them has a mother."
There's some prints that leave out part of the scene where 2 of the characters reach a boat.
What was Jack La Lanne doing in this movie?
Some of the characters have odd histories. One had a last name of "Beagle" before it was rewritten into the now-familiar last name (and middle names "Thaddeus Crane"). Another was visually based on the comic strip character "Broadway Bates." (With a middle name of "Chesterfield.") Another has the middle name "Worthington." (None of the middle names appeared in the movie.)
It's not stated in the movie, but it's thought the bulk of the story took place in New Jersey.
The Spanish-language version of this movie included characters named Bruno Diaz and Ricardo Tapia
Someone parodied Nikita Krushchev's famous "bang the shoe at the UN" moment in this movie.
A Chrysler Imperial and a Lincoln Futura prototype both appear in this movie
A former Miss America appeared in the cast.
References to Robert Louis Stevenson's novels were snuck into the movie, but not into the dialogue.
This movie was NOT distributed by Warner Brothers (making it peculiar).
Once you've seen the scene where "Bringing in the Sheaves" is played, it's hard not to have the song stuck in your head whenever thinking about that scene.
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Eight minutes later, and 39 hours. What cost actor Roddy McDowall a Best Supporting actor Oscar for his performance as Octavian in the 1963 Epic film "Cleopatra"?
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Umm. This seems more of a general trivia question, but OK
He wasn't nominated?
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No, he was nominated. I had a mental block until I finally came up with this. It's because I've been thinking about something for this thread but instead I'm going to start a new thread that will be a different take on movies. Hope it's fun.
By the way, I don't think Roddy McDowall ever received an acting Oscar. He may have gotten an Honorary Oscar but they don't count imo. And unless you happen to collect Roddy McDowall memorabilia or have a thing for him and his movies, career, etc. or are a walking Oscar thesaurus I would put this trivia at about 8 or 8.5 in terms of difficulty, ten being the highest.
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The Oscars for 1963 movies were given in 1964. Cleopatra was nominated but didn't win Best Picture.
Rex Harrison was nominated for Best Actor for his role in Cleopatra, but didn't win.
The nominees for Best Supporting Actor were Melvyn Douglas, Hugh Griffith, Bobby Darin, John Huston, and Nick Adams. No Roddy McDowall.
Maybe your question was, Why wasn't he nominated?
George
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I checked it out, you're right, Roddy McDowall wasn't nominated in the category of Best Supporting Actor because Twentieth Century Fox mistakenly nominated him for Best Actor instead.
I'm guessing then, that the Academy removed his official nomination because of the error. He was nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Supporting Actor, but didn't win. I was right Roddy McDowall didn't win an Oscar. In fact, he was never nominated (except through the clerical error that probably cost him the Oscar). Here's Twentieth C. statement released to the trade papers at the time and an apology to Roddy McDowall.
"We feel that it is important that the industry realize that your electric performance as Octavian in 'Cleopatra,' which was unanimously singled out by the critics as one of the best supporting performances by an actor this year, is not eligible for an Academy Award nomination in that category . . . due to a regrettable error on the part of Twentieth Century Fox."
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I'm sure that made him feel much better.
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This for those walking Oscar thesaurus types, which actor won the inaugural Best Supporting Actor award in 1936 and has won it three times?
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Spencer Tracy?
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Good guess. No. He wasn't as famous as Spencer, but he made a name for himself. Hoping that this isn't throwing a monkey wrench in here but he had career on the side as a singer with one song in 1962 that reached #5 in the Billboard 100. He starred in a popular TV show that lasted six years (1957 to 1963. Frequently starred with Gary Cooper.
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Ok, as per the first post in the thread, I'm posting clues about a movie.
This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
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This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
Included as weapons in that specific fight were a HAND GRENADE, brass knuckles, a whip, a machete, and a TRIDENT.
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This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
Included as weapons in that specific fight were a HAND GRENADE, brass knuckles, a whip, a machete, and a TRIDENT.
It was a 5-team melee, not a simple fist-fight (obviously), and those paying attention saw the use of a net, and a man on fire. One guy entered the fight smoking a pipe, which was not used as a weapon- someone threw him a machete before he ambushed another fighter getting too distracted before he tried to murder another. (Pretty SHARP machete, too- it took the guy's arm off with one chop.)
It looked like it was going to be team-on-team, until the third team arrived....then the fourth team arrived....and finally the fifth team arrived, making it "a bilingual brouhaha", as someone from the fourth team put it.
Amazingly, despite all that, there were actual, agreed-upon rules. "No touching of the hair and face." "Obviously." There was at least one guy killed, but his hair and face were left alone. Amazingly (or not, given that this was a comedy), the fight was interrupted by the cops arriving, but NOBODY was arrested in the movie, or even charged (despite weapons dropped at the scene, presumably leaving fingerprints behind.)
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This movie has the odd distinction of winning the MTV Movie Award for "Best Fight" despite not being an action movie. That's not especially odd, but this movie is a COMEDY.
Included as weapons in that specific fight were a HAND GRENADE, brass knuckles, a whip, a machete, and a TRIDENT.
It was a 5-team melee, not a simple fist-fight (obviously), and those paying attention saw the use of a net, and a man on fire. One guy entered the fight smoking a pipe, which was not used as a weapon- someone threw him a machete before he ambushed another fighter getting too distracted before he tried to murder another. (Pretty SHARP machete, too- it took the guy's arm off with one chop.)
It looked like it was going to be team-on-team, until the third team arrived....then the fourth team arrived....and finally the fifth team arrived, making it "a bilingual brouhaha", as someone from the fourth team put it. BTW, the number of teams was a plot point, especially with the first 3 teams.
Amazingly, despite all that, there were actual, agreed-upon rules. "No touching of the hair and face." "Obviously." There was at least one guy killed, but his hair and face were left alone. Amazingly (or not, given that this was a comedy), the fight was interrupted by the cops arriving, but NOBODY was arrested in the movie, or even charged (despite weapons dropped at the scene, presumably leaving fingerprints behind.)
-This movie's title was partly inspired by adult films.
-One of the main characters seemed to have no redeeming qualities. However, he can, at least, play the flute rather well.
-A restaurant appeared in this movie. The restaurant's name was in Spanish. "Escupimos En Su Alimento." Or, in English, "We Spit in Your Food."
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Anchorman the Legend of Ron Burgundy?
The flute was the tip-off. And now I seem to remember the fight.
George
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Correct.
How could you forget THAT fight? The 3 major networks' news teams got ready, then the PBS team arrived, and finally the Spanish news- with Ben Stiller as their anchor. There was a guy on fire, and someone had a trident thrown into their chest, and so on.
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New one soon.
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This was one of a very famous star's first movies. He had already starred in a TV show.
Kelly McGillis had secured the female lead, but was fired early in the shoot because she wasn't considered to be pretty or sexy enough. Julia Louis-Dreyfuss was also considered for the role.
Some considered for the male lead ("Rick") were Paul Reiser, Jim Carrey, Howie Mandel and Tim Robbins.
The scene where the nude Tracy (Monique Gabrielle) seduces Rick was cut out of mainstream TV broadcasts. Gabrielle said they also shot a TV version where she wears a negligee with one strap lowered, but it was also cut out of broadcasts because it showed too much cleavage.
George
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I'm up on too many threads, but true story: I've had two, and I've never seen anyone else's.
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I didn't even have one, though I've been to a few.
George
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Should be Tom Hanks and "Bachelor Party."
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Indeed.
FWIW, while my (now ex-) wife spent the night before our wedding with her daughters, sisters, and friends, I was home arranging deliveries, writing checks... We DID have a rehearsal dinner...
George
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Some prints of this movie omit the final line from a scene- one of my favorite lines from the movie- "Every one of them has a mother."
There's some prints that leave out part of the scene where 2 of the characters reach a boat.
What was Jack La Lanne doing in this movie?
Some of the characters have odd histories. One had a last name of "Beagle" before it was rewritten into the now-familiar last name (and middle names "Thaddeus Crane"). Another was visually based on the comic strip character "Broadway Bates." (With a middle name of "Chesterfield.") Another has the middle name "Worthington." (None of the middle names appeared in the movie.)
It's not stated in the movie, but it's thought the bulk of the story took place in New Jersey.
The Spanish-language version of this movie included characters named Bruno Diaz and Ricardo Tapia
Someone parodied Nikita Krushchev's famous "bang the shoe at the UN" moment in this movie.
A Chrysler Imperial and a Lincoln Futura prototype both appear in this movie
A former Miss America appeared in the cast.
References to Robert Louis Stevenson's novels were snuck into the movie, but not into the dialogue.
This movie was NOT distributed by Warner Brothers (making it peculiar).
Once you've seen the scene where "Bringing in the Sheaves" is played, it's hard not to have the song stuck in your head whenever thinking about that scene.
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Batman (1966).
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Right. Thought you'd forgotten those clues by now..... apparently not....
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