SIT, TIP, Prophecy and Confession

[Ham]

Perhaps. But I'm still thinking.. in a known language, fluently spoken by a native so to speak.. we would expect to find the occurrences of sounds to follow some kind of pattern.. as far as statistics are concerned.

statistically speaking.. for example, the number of times a person spoke a word that sounds like "dog" vs. the times one speaks a sound of different character..

I am by far no specialist here.

But it just seems.. how many words do we speak in the english language? after a few years, would they follow some kind of normal distribution?

if tongues were a language, would we or would we not expect the same kind of pattern.. in terms of the number of words spoken, and their statistical number of occurrences?

wow.. three posts in between. Lively thread, Raf..

I think voice recognition has its roots in ngrams mathematically. That's a bit different conceptually than statistical analysis or OR.

my current post was in regards to this statement.

Edited October 19, 2012 by Ham

[waysider]

It was done with dolphins to demonstrate that the sounds they make are a regimented form of communication, not simply random noises.

[chockfull]

Perhaps. But I'm still thinking.. in a known language, fluently spoken by a native so to speak.. we would expect to find the occurrences of sounds to follow some kind of pattern.. as far as statistics are concerned.

statistically speaking.. for example, the number of times a person spoke a word that sounds like "dog" vs. the times one speaks a sound of different character..

I am by far no specialist here.

But it just seems.. how many words do we speak in the english language? after a few years, would they follow some kind of normal distribution?

if tongues were a language, would we or would we not expect the same kind of pattern.. in terms of the number of words spoken, and their statistical number of occurrences?

There could be a lot of room to look at that. Samarin if you read the linked article from p. 61 to 65 does some pretty interesting stuff statistically speaking that I would have to think would be largely without the computational power in 1972 that we have today. I mean, that was when a computer bug literally was a roach in a vacuum tube. Our iPhones today have more compute power.

It was done with dolphins to demonstrate that the sounds they make are a regimented form of communication, not simply random noises.

May be something to this.

[waysider]

Here is the dolphin link, again.

CLICK

[Ham]

Raf, I hope this whole thing wasn't over a wager..

You're still my friend.. but.

I've revealed secrets of my soul here, along the way..

but no problem. it's nothing I haven't talked about publicly, here or somewhere else..

Like the professor who asked me "what got you on this.."

my first response was.. "I'm not sure if you really want to know.."

"Naw.. go ahead.."

well, you asked..

I will still send you the resulting paper, if you would like to see it.

[Raf]

I think my description of first time SIT was typical of the TWI experience, as little as it applies to you, chockfull.

Edited October 19, 2012 by Raf

[chockfull]

Here is the dolphin link, again.

CLICK

Thanks. I watched it this time. (Didn't last time - don't scold me )

The branch of mathematics is called Information Theory - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_theory

I am unfamiliar with it.

How about our squirrely friend?

I think my description of first time SIT was typical of the TWI experience, as little as it applies to you, chockfull.

And yet, I still am not a number.

[waysider]

BTW

I'm publishing a book revealing the secrets of my soul that I've divulged here.

I'm calling it A Practical Cure For Insomnia.

[Ham]

The short story is that Shannon tried to figure out the minimum amount of bandwidth to convey information..

I think two and a half kilohertz is about the minimum for spoken information.. Single Sideband transmissions take about 3 kilohertz per channel. More than enough for a human to recognize the intent and content of another's speech.. I might not be exact on the numbers here.

Bell labs made extensive use of this kind of research.

This WAS about money.. they wanted to figure out how many phone conversations they could intelligently crowd on a congested cable.

[Ham]

Bell liked the idea of frequency division muliplexing. In other words, ways to use one cable by selectively converting phone conversations into frequency separated, non-interfering channels on the same cable. Then you have one cable performing (theoretically) the same job that a hundred cables did before..

It costs a lot to run a single wire from one end of town to the other..

[waysider]

If we could find a way to apply some of that technology to a study of speaking in tongues we could shed a lot of light on the whole issue.

[Ham]

Time-division multiplexing works better with digital stuff than voice and analog.. but it still eats up bandwidth, the same as it's analog counterpart..

[waysider]

Well, it might be old light but it would be new light to .......

Is it possible to graph a 45 degree angle with multiple repetitions of "Lo Shanta Lo Maka See Tay"?

[Ham]

even Morse Code.. it is on and off keying. as you increase the speed of turning a continuous wave, or single frequency on and off.. an interesting thing happens.. it demands more room, in terms of frequency..

[waysider]

even Morse Code.. it is on and off keying. as you increase the speed of turning a continuous wave, or single frequency on and off.. an interesting thing happens.. it demands more room, in terms of frequency..

You could have strung a single cable across town and back again and Wierwille's signal would have looked like this:

LLLLLLOOOOOOO SSSSSHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNTTTTTAAAA LLLLLLAAAAAA MMMMMMMAAAAAKKKKKKKKKAAAAA SSSSSSEEEEEE TTTTAAAAAYYYYY.

[Ham]

Maybe the thought is.. the more intelligence conveyed, the more bandwidth required. That was what Shannon contributed to the radio and electronics art..

I'm a weird mixture of "stuff".. math was my weak point.. I did my best to try to fix that, this time around..

generally I'm an experimenter. a novice. I had a ham radio license long before I had a college degree..

You could have strung a single cable across town and back again and Wierwille's signal would have looked like this:

LLLLLLOOOOOOO SSSSSHHHHHHAAAAAANNNNNNTTTTTAAAA LLLLLLAAAAAA MMMMMMMAAAAAKKKKKKKKKAAAAA SSSSSSEEEEEE TTTTAAAAAYYYYY.

I think wierwille required very, very little bandwidth.

[waysider]

Someone will probably take this the wrong way but I've always wondered if a deaf person can speak in tongues using ASL.

[OldSkool]

But can a drunk person slur in tongues.

[Ham]

"can" is subjective.. but in the organization, yes, they tried..

yep. true. Yes.. affirmative. It was actually tried..

[waysider]

But can a drunk person slur in tongues.

We may never know, now that our primary experimental specimen has turned his back to the wall and died from a broken heart.

[Ham]

But can a drunk person slur in tongues.

only if I walk to the store, purchase another said beer, or two, and consume them. I am only at the cusp.

[OldSkool]

"can" is subjective.. but in the organization, yes, they tried..

yep. true. Yes.. affirmative. It was actually tried..

Well, should we chose to experiment, I volunteer as a test subject. Seems Gin is my drink of choice this week.

We may never know, now that our primary experimental specimen has turned his back to the wall and died from a broken heart.

But what if his eye fell out.

[Ham]

Raf, I hope your life is not flashing before your eyes.. your thread rapidly disintegrating..

I'll BRB. Need to take a trip to the store. It is only two blocks away.

[OldSkool]

Raf, I hope your life is not flashing before your eyes.. your thread rapidly disintegrating..

Well, I've endured 50 pages of this topic. Surely, we can take a break for a few posts. And if not....

[Ham]

I dunno.. maybe I'll get started on Newton tonight.. did you know his successor did not have good words for him? Hawkings said that newton "was not a pleasant man".. and it was an under-statement..