God's kindness is wonderful. The way international extends their self-serving kindness as long as you are doing what they say. Disagree and you will very quickly find that their kindness has teeth.
Doncha like the conclusion "freely show his kindness"? :unsure:
Ya, I can just feel the exhortation to rise up oozing out of every pithy statement.
Someone better get them to God's kindness to they can learn what the heck it is. Knowing them they will start charging registration fees to get it though.
It's God's kindness that encourages people to have a change of heart; therefore, we show forth kindness even in the face of ingratitude. Often the unthankful have the greatest need for kindness, and we are equipped to show them this good and gentle nature of God. Kindness can be the convincing evidence of God's love. So let's freely show His kindness!
A skim of the articles shows lots of Bible verses with descriptive words beneath, usual TWI style. No particular examples of what "kindness" might look or sound or feel like. Leader article concludes as follows: This sounds like such a wonderful thing to be doing. Except that having been on the receiving end of so much "kindness" from TWI, I'd rather be anywhere else ... like being in one of many of the churches in this city, which do know what kindness really is.
On the plus side, this Kindness section of their website does look quite well done. Beautifully whitewashed, you might say.
:nono5:
tsk, tssk,.. tsk...
Now you as a PIFFLE grad should be able to understand this using the keys to working the word. If what you are reading doesn't feel right, you must look at it within the overall context.
Now, the overall context represented here is the way international and it's SOP's. (Standard Operating Proceedures.) So here I will give you a clarified version of the statement:
It's God's kindness that encourages people to have a change of heart; (staff & followers) therefore, we show forth kindness even in the face of ingratitude.(RosyLie & leadership, so advanced, they don't need nor do they show grace) Often the unthankful (Those evolved above such needs) have the greatest need for kindness, and we are equipped to show them this good and gentle nature of God. (Send your tithes & offerings, spare change, wedding & birthday gifts to Box 328.... ) Kindness can be the convincing evidence of God's love. (Send your tithes &....) So let's freely show His kindness!
(WE SAID!!.. SEND your tithes & offerings... )
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The GOP might want that disclaimer... all of the twi people I still talk to via Facebook are Repiblicans.
Yes twi did promote the repiblicans almost as much as PIFFLE. On this site, during the 2000 and 2004 elections, the arguing here at
the Spot was nearly as violent as The Great War of Northern Aggression, also known by a few yankees as The Civil War.
(I was off the net for 2008)
Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus,
And it would seem that twi held more than a few closet democrats, who, once they again regained control and freedom of their brain cells, came back to their party with the passion of a slave freed from their bonds.
We used to have a politics forum here but during the those last elections, circuits fried and computers were known to spontaneously combust from the furious writings of both sides. Now we don't have the politics forum.
I don't know The Spots Repubs vs Dems ratio but I imagine it pretty much reflects the national averages.
Soooo ... has anyone actually looked at their website, or article(s) about kindness?
(And don't be unkind, folks. Set an example.)
Yes, I did. Taken as a christian writing by itself, it was beautiful and very well done.
But in the context, we must look at who wrote it and what they have proven to be in reality.
An article on kindness from RosyLie's way is like a hunter's feedpile in the woods.
He keeps his foodpile stocked with tasty foods which deer love so they will come back again and again. Then one day, that by now trusting deer will come back to the foodpile and a hunter with his gun.
Orrr.. to put it another way,...
:huh:
Hey, hey, hey....
Come on down to Uncle Adolf's Condominiums Inc.'s new addition in nearby lovely Auschwitz Estates.
This beautiful gated community offers the latest in compact, cozy condominium living with convenient nearby employment at Nationalist Socialist war production facilities. The triple gated walls along with patrolling armed guards insure your security from unwanted visitors.
While leisurely strolling around your new community, manicuring the lots, be sure to take in some of the lovely modern services we have included for your pleasure.
Our neo naz... er, art deco military stylish restaurant offers you all the latest in culinary/scientific genetically altered sawdust so perfectly worked by our chef staff that you dare not tell it as any different than a fine T-bone stake or lobster on the half howitzer shell.
Ummm,.. delicious.
The Roman style bathhouse offers you a way to get together with other members of your community. At the end of a loooong workday, what a pleasure it is to go to the showers and wash away all the troubles of this world.
Out in the back, you will see the furnace room, with the latest in designs, purposely made to keep your body warm and toasty on a cold winters night.
As Uncle Adolf loves to say: "Once you come to Auschwitz Estates, you will be so happy, you'll never leave again."
Yes, I did. Taken as a christian writing by itself, it was beautiful and very well done.
But in the context, we must look at who wrote it and what they have proven to be in reality.
An article on kindness from RosyLie's way is like a hunter's feedpile in the woods.
He keeps his foodpile stocked with tasty foods which deer love so they will come back again and again. Then one day, that by now trusting deer will come back to the foodpile and a hunter with his gun.
What you live in your heart reflects on your face. After oozing so much of God's kindness, I wonder what Rosalie and Donna look like today. Haven't seen them in years. I also noticed that Roz is the only one with a formal title; does that mean the rest are serfs?
What you live in your heart reflects on your face. After oozing so much of God's kindness, I wonder what Rosalie and Donna look like today. Haven't seen them in years. I also noticed that Roz is the only one with a formal title; does that mean the rest are serfs?
Board of Directors
Rev. Rosalie F. Rivenbark, Chairman
Rev. Jean-Yves De Lisle
Rev. Robert Mc Culloch
Rev. John Rupp
Rev. Greg Shaffer
They looked like a couple worse for the wear, unhappy, biotches last I saw them in 2008.
And yes, Rosalie is Chariman Rosalie. Kinda like Chairman Mao, only totally different.
And yes, the other directors are complete puppets. Rosalie and Donna run the show. Rosie micromanages everything she can. There are no dissenting votes or voices on any significant matter, if anything.
What you live in your heart reflects on your face. After oozing so much of God's kindness, I wonder what Rosalie and Donna look like today. Haven't seen them in years. I also noticed that Roz is the only one with a formal title; does that mean the rest are serfs?
Board of Directors
Rev. Rosalie F. Rivenbark, Chairman
Rev. Jean-Yves De Lisle
Rev. Robert Mc Culloch
Rev. John Rupp
Rev. Greg Shaffer
"I also noticed that Roz is the only one with a formal title; does that mean the rest are serfs?"
No, it means they are temporary, have no say, and are expendable.
They are there only to meet the 501 rules for a board of trustees.
IMO that article is filled with lies. They say with their mouth ... "we show forth kindness even in the face of ingratitude".
However, what actually occurs is exactly the opposite. They show ingratitude in the face of kindness, especially towards their own people. In fact, that was about all I faced, in spite of years of self-sacrificing service to further their goals. Ingratitude. Holier-than-thou attitudes. Attacking any little thing they could get their slimy little paws on. Biting and devouring one another. A bunch of pride over titles and positions. Stubbornness. Resistance to change. Resistance to listen to Bible verses.
No, an attitude of ungratefulness exists towards their people. They are just a means to an end.
No, an attitude of ungratefulness exists towards their people. They are just a means to an end.
Really, they are talking down to their followers in the article. Those tasked with actually promoting all things the way international are to be kind. Kind to class candidates and other people they "witness" to. At the advanced levels of the spiritual competition there is no room for such things.
So was it ever true kindness to begin with? or just keeping the teeth hidden?
It usually lasted just long enough to get you through the foundational class successfully.
Then, they would start throttling it back while asking you to help with refreshments, room set-up, flip charts., etc.
Little by little, the process ramped up until, eventually, you were no longer supposed to expect any special treatment (pseudo kindness), but rather to usher in a new batch of recruits in like fashion.
A skim of the articles shows lots of Bible verses with descriptive words beneath, usual TWI style. No particular examples of what "kindness" might look or sound or feel like. Leader article concludes as follows: This sounds like such a wonderful thing to be doing. Except that having been on the receiving end of so much "kindness" from TWI, I'd rather be anywhere else ... like being in one of many of the churches in this city, which do know what kindness really is.
On the plus side, this Kindness section of their website does look quite well done. Beautifully whitewashed, you might say.
They have this "we/they" thing that they use to keep people in the fold. It's so controlling, so manipulating, and used very intentionally--to keep people in. Make them afraid to leave. Isolate them from anything not connected with the Way. "We" are kind even to those ("they") who have ingratitude. "We" lead "them" to God. "We know God; "they" need to know God. As if everyone outside "the household" (oh, don't get me started on this) of TWI is without God and without hope. The sad thing is, they really believe that. Oh, my stomach turns to even think that I spent more than 20 years with "them."
It’s sad that something as wonderful and basic as the kindness of God can stand in such stark contrast to TWI’s mode of operation that those of us who are intimately knowledgeable of TWI are shocked they are teaching it. In no way do I believe this apparent change of heart and direction is a reflection of a genuine change of heart of the leadership of TWI. For decades they took great delight in being the opposite of kind. For a decade the current leadership stayed the course of LCM although they were more subtle in their approach.
It’s been documented here that Rosalie hated being forced by the lawyers to be kind. She’d rather force employees and Corps to work mandatory long work weeks. Force them to not moonlight. Force them to attend the STS and meals. Actively benevolent?
Now they subscribe to promoting the kindness of God? Why the change? Pretty simple really. They continue to lose members. People continued to say “thanks but no thanks” to their arrogance and bullying. The old-timers grew lethargic and started wandering away and new ones wouldn’t stick around.
The first verse they quote in the article that has “kindness” in it is Jeremiah 9:24 which says in part:
"…that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord."
That same verse could have been (and probably was) used previously to promote exercising judgment on people and claim that exercising judgment was lovingkindness. When I got out (under the current leadership) they were still proudly claiming that the best way to witness is to confront the world’s illogic. Very kind I'm sure.
They must have finally realized you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Key word here is catch. Then they can rip their wings off.
My oh my. Don't know why I did this, but I looked at TWI's website just a few moments ago. And on the front page is a little heading (which someone is smart enough to hyperlink) announcing "What's new" and underneath, a big banner announcing "God's Kindness to Others." This is apparently a series of short articles about ... well, God's Kindness.
A skim of the articles shows lots of Bible verses with descriptive words beneath, usual TWI style. No particular examples of what "kindness" might look or sound or feel like. Leader article concludes as follows:
This sounds like such a wonderful thing to be doing. Except that having been on the receiving end of so much "kindness" from TWI, I'd rather be anywhere else ... like being in one of many of the churches in this city, which do know what kindness really is.
On the plus side, this Kindness section of their website does look quite well done. Beautifully whitewashed, you might say.
Twinky, as usual your post is interesting. I went to the link, and it said that RR is chairman. Wouldn't she be a chairwoman, or chairperson?? I am a woman, and I would be upset if someone called me a chairman of anything. Perhaps to some, it sounds petty as to wether someone is a chairman, or chairwoman, but to me, it would be important.
God's kindness is wonderful. The way international extends their self-serving kindness as long as you are doing what they say. Disagree and you will very quickly find that their kindness has teeth.
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excathedra
thank god, god's kindness is not new
i don't want to look at that site. i get skeeved (sp?)
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So very right, Excie.
Well... not new unless you're in TWI.
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God's kindness is wonderful. The way international extends their self-serving kindness as long as you are doing what they say. Disagree and you will very quickly find that their kindness has teeth.
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Doncha like the conclusion "freely show his kindness"? :unsure:
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Ya, I can just feel the exhortation to rise up oozing out of every pithy statement.
Someone better get them to God's kindness to they can learn what the heck it is. Knowing them they will start charging registration fees to get it though.
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tsk, tssk,.. tsk...
Now you as a PIFFLE grad should be able to understand this using the keys to working the word. If what you are reading doesn't feel right, you must look at it within the overall context.
Now, the overall context represented here is the way international and it's SOP's. (Standard Operating Proceedures.) So here I will give you a clarified version of the statement:
It's God's kindness that encourages people to have a change of heart; (staff & followers) therefore, we show forth kindness even in the face of ingratitude.(RosyLie & leadership, so advanced, they don't need nor do they show grace) Often the unthankful (Those evolved above such needs) have the greatest need for kindness, and we are equipped to show them this good and gentle nature of God. (Send your tithes & offerings, spare change, wedding & birthday gifts to Box 328.... ) Kindness can be the convincing evidence of God's love. (Send your tithes &....) So let's freely show His kindness!
(WE SAID!!.. SEND your tithes & offerings... )
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Heeeyyy.......
We Republicans want an equal chance to print a disclaimer tooooo........!
or do we.
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The GOP might want that disclaimer... all of the twi people I still talk to via Facebook are Repiblicans.
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Yes twi did promote the repiblicans almost as much as PIFFLE. On this site, during the 2000 and 2004 elections, the arguing here at
the Spot was nearly as violent as The Great War of Northern Aggression, also known by a few yankees as The Civil War.
(I was off the net for 2008)
Yes Virginia, there is a Santa Claus,
And it would seem that twi held more than a few closet democrats, who, once they again regained control and freedom of their brain cells, came back to their party with the passion of a slave freed from their bonds.
We used to have a politics forum here but during the those last elections, circuits fried and computers were known to spontaneously combust from the furious writings of both sides. Now we don't have the politics forum.
I don't know The Spots Repubs vs Dems ratio but I imagine it pretty much reflects the national averages.
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Soooo ... has anyone actually looked at their website, or article(s) about kindness?
(And don't be unkind, folks. Set an example.)
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Yes, I did. Taken as a christian writing by itself, it was beautiful and very well done.
But in the context, we must look at who wrote it and what they have proven to be in reality.
An article on kindness from RosyLie's way is like a hunter's feedpile in the woods.
He keeps his foodpile stocked with tasty foods which deer love so they will come back again and again. Then one day, that by now trusting deer will come back to the foodpile and a hunter with his gun.
Orrr.. to put it another way,...
:huh:
Hey, hey, hey....
Come on down to Uncle Adolf's Condominiums Inc.'s new addition in nearby lovely Auschwitz Estates.
This beautiful gated community offers the latest in compact, cozy condominium living with convenient nearby employment at Nationalist Socialist war production facilities. The triple gated walls along with patrolling armed guards insure your security from unwanted visitors.
While leisurely strolling around your new community, manicuring the lots, be sure to take in some of the lovely modern services we have included for your pleasure.
Our neo naz... er, art deco military stylish restaurant offers you all the latest in culinary/scientific genetically altered sawdust so perfectly worked by our chef staff that you dare not tell it as any different than a fine T-bone stake or lobster on the half howitzer shell.
Ummm,.. delicious.
The Roman style bathhouse offers you a way to get together with other members of your community. At the end of a loooong workday, what a pleasure it is to go to the showers and wash away all the troubles of this world.
Out in the back, you will see the furnace room, with the latest in designs, purposely made to keep your body warm and toasty on a cold winters night.
As Uncle Adolf loves to say: "Once you come to Auschwitz Estates, you will be so happy, you'll never leave again."
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My thoughts exactly.
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Rejoice
What you live in your heart reflects on your face. After oozing so much of God's kindness, I wonder what Rosalie and Donna look like today. Haven't seen them in years. I also noticed that Roz is the only one with a formal title; does that mean the rest are serfs?
Board of Directors
Rev. Rosalie F. Rivenbark, Chairman
Rev. Jean-Yves De Lisle
Rev. Robert Mc Culloch
Rev. John Rupp
Rev. Greg Shaffer
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They looked like a couple worse for the wear, unhappy, biotches last I saw them in 2008.
And yes, Rosalie is Chariman Rosalie. Kinda like Chairman Mao, only totally different.
And yes, the other directors are complete puppets. Rosalie and Donna run the show. Rosie micromanages everything she can. There are no dissenting votes or voices on any significant matter, if anything.
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"I also noticed that Roz is the only one with a formal title; does that mean the rest are serfs?"
No, it means they are temporary, have no say, and are expendable.
They are there only to meet the 501 rules for a board of trustees.
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Bingo!
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IMO that article is filled with lies. They say with their mouth ... "we show forth kindness even in the face of ingratitude".
However, what actually occurs is exactly the opposite. They show ingratitude in the face of kindness, especially towards their own people. In fact, that was about all I faced, in spite of years of self-sacrificing service to further their goals. Ingratitude. Holier-than-thou attitudes. Attacking any little thing they could get their slimy little paws on. Biting and devouring one another. A bunch of pride over titles and positions. Stubbornness. Resistance to change. Resistance to listen to Bible verses.
No, an attitude of ungratefulness exists towards their people. They are just a means to an end.
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Really, they are talking down to their followers in the article. Those tasked with actually promoting all things the way international are to be kind. Kind to class candidates and other people they "witness" to. At the advanced levels of the spiritual competition there is no room for such things.
So was it ever true kindness to begin with? or just keeping the teeth hidden?
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We used to call it "love bombing".
It usually lasted just long enough to get you through the foundational class successfully.
Then, they would start throttling it back while asking you to help with refreshments, room set-up, flip charts., etc.
Little by little, the process ramped up until, eventually, you were no longer supposed to expect any special treatment (pseudo kindness), but rather to usher in a new batch of recruits in like fashion.
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They have this "we/they" thing that they use to keep people in the fold. It's so controlling, so manipulating, and used very intentionally--to keep people in. Make them afraid to leave. Isolate them from anything not connected with the Way. "We" are kind even to those ("they") who have ingratitude. "We" lead "them" to God. "We know God; "they" need to know God. As if everyone outside "the household" (oh, don't get me started on this) of TWI is without God and without hope. The sad thing is, they really believe that. Oh, my stomach turns to even think that I spent more than 20 years with "them."
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It’s sad that something as wonderful and basic as the kindness of God can stand in such stark contrast to TWI’s mode of operation that those of us who are intimately knowledgeable of TWI are shocked they are teaching it. In no way do I believe this apparent change of heart and direction is a reflection of a genuine change of heart of the leadership of TWI. For decades they took great delight in being the opposite of kind. For a decade the current leadership stayed the course of LCM although they were more subtle in their approach.
It’s been documented here that Rosalie hated being forced by the lawyers to be kind. She’d rather force employees and Corps to work mandatory long work weeks. Force them to not moonlight. Force them to attend the STS and meals. Actively benevolent?
Now they subscribe to promoting the kindness of God? Why the change? Pretty simple really. They continue to lose members. People continued to say “thanks but no thanks” to their arrogance and bullying. The old-timers grew lethargic and started wandering away and new ones wouldn’t stick around.
The first verse they quote in the article that has “kindness” in it is Jeremiah 9:24 which says in part:
That same verse could have been (and probably was) used previously to promote exercising judgment on people and claim that exercising judgment was lovingkindness. When I got out (under the current leadership) they were still proudly claiming that the best way to witness is to confront the world’s illogic. Very kind I'm sure.
They must have finally realized you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Key word here is catch. Then they can rip their wings off.
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skyrider
Yeah.....I agree. That's what pathetic cults do.
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Twinky, as usual your post is interesting. I went to the link, and it said that RR is chairman. Wouldn't she be a chairwoman, or chairperson?? I am a woman, and I would be upset if someone called me a chairman of anything. Perhaps to some, it sounds petty as to wether someone is a chairman, or chairwoman, but to me, it would be important.
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OS, teeth or fangs??
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