I'm still a little confused. Are they a separate ministry from TWI or is this TWI?
In any legal sense, there is no corporate connection between twi and sowers whatsoever. They are organized by different people, and their paperwork reflects a complete distinction between the 2 groups.
In the doctrinal sense, both sowers and their parent splinter group are an attempt by ex-twi'ers to clone the earlier twi days, based word-for-word on the earlier setup of twi, using the exact phraseology vpw did, in an attempt to relive their glory days. It can't possibly work because the twi numbers explosion was based ENTIRELY on vpw taking a legitimate movement in Christianity, subverting it, and turning an already-successful group of people into his recruiting arm. THEY did all the work. THEY convinced the people of the substance. And THEY had no way to know all the plagiarism and corruption behind the scenes- and neither did the people.
Compare that to now. There's no group of young Christians ALREADY producing the big results that vpw wanted, there for sowers to subvert. The public can easily find out about all the corruption even if there WAS. And vpw KNEW he was a fraud and tailored his fraud accordingly. The sowers people still insist ALL of it was legitimate and of God- so they can't even get the successful CON going. But they've certainly ignored all the differences between THEN and NOW, and tried to make NOW look like THEN. They even convinced a guy named vpw- the grandson of the original plagiarizing rapist- to be the frontman of the organization.
So, legally, this is not any twi. In a practical sense, it is a sad attempt to replicate twi from its early days-which is why it's of interest to a handful of people and will remain a handful of people until it fades into obscurity. It's of interest only to ex-twi. And ex-twi are getting fewer in numbers because there's nobody new joining twi in any numbers, and that means the population of both current twi and ex-twi are all dying off as they get older and are not numerically replaced by successors.
This is a good thing. Ex-twi get on with their lives, mostly, and don't turn their families into twi clones. And those who do are in such small numbers that they are only slowing down the process of twi becoming completely irrelevant as opposed to almost-completely irrelevant.
Thanks for the clarification Word Wolf. SOWERS is apart of a splinter group. I know it may seem strange to some here but this post is the 1st time I've ever heard of this group,
Word Wolf stated:
"It can't possibly work because the twi numbers explosion was based ENTIRELY on vpw taking a legitimate movement in Christianity, subverting it, and turning an already-successful group of people into his recruiting arm. THEY did all the work. THEY convinced the people of the substance. And THEY had no way to know all the plagiarism and corruption behind the scenes- and neither did the people."
Right on WW. The movement that was led by Heefner, Doop & Wade was hijacked. I wish the people who still think VPW is our "father in the word" would realize this.
Another question WW. Who is the parent splinter group?
So, legally, this is not any twi. In a practical sense, it is a sad attempt to replicate twi from its early days-which is why it's of interest to a handful of people and will remain a handful of people until it fades into obscurity. It's of interest only to ex-twi. And ex-twi are getting fewer in numbers because there's nobody new joining twi in any numbers, and that means the population of both current twi and ex-twi are all dying off as they get older and are not numerically replaced by successors.
This is a good thing. Ex-twi get on with their lives, mostly, and don't turn their families into twi clones. And those who do are in such small numbers that they are only slowing down the process of twi becoming completely irrelevant as opposed to almost-completely irrelevant.
Yeah......."a handful of people".......er, wierwille-zealots. Add, Doug McMuffin who had farm property in Mississippi with wierwille-doctrine planted in the minds of youth, an isolated work/indoctrination camp and the toxic cult culture expects a harvest. Besides JP, other clingers want to saturate their minds in cult-glory nostalgia......and then, walter c'mon-man brings the group to nirvana with "literal translations according to wierwille."
S.O.W.E.R.S. hast to be "the faithful remnant".........they've got wierwille BLOODLINE teaching them "the word."
Victor Paul Wierwille [grandson]........IN THE FLESH.
So much for that group being about "The Word." The FB cover pic has a stack of four books, one of which was authored by the guy who fired Nixon special prosecutor Archibald Cox. That author was also appointed but denied confirmation to the US Supreme Court. My hunch is that they're trying to institutionalize some flavor of politics in their religion.
Thanks for the clarification Word Wolf. SOWERS is apart of a splinter group. I know it may seem strange to some here but this post is the 1st time I've ever heard of this group,
Word Wolf stated:
"It can't possibly work because the twi numbers explosion was based ENTIRELY on vpw taking a legitimate movement in Christianity, subverting it, and turning an already-successful group of people into his recruiting arm. THEY did all the work. THEY convinced the people of the substance. And THEY had no way to know all the plagiarism and corruption behind the scenes- and neither did the people."
Right on WW. The movement that was led by Heefner, Doop & Wade was hijacked. I wish the people who still think VPW is our "father in the word" would realize this.
Another question WW. Who is the parent splinter group?
CFF is the parent splinter group, and SOWERS seems to be hiding their connection to "Christian Family Fellowship." So, SOWERS might be considered to be a group that soon may be a splinter group that split off FROM a splinter group (CFF). It's probably to hide the fact that SOWERS is based on a handful of old farts who want to relive their glory years decades after the Jesus People movement was almost snuffed out by vpw. They're selling it as a group composed entirely of the young turks.
If you have time, you can read through lengthier discussions that brought some of these points up as well as the more practical concerns about SOWERS.
"Here We Go Again." "Legacy of the Way Corps Principles."
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It wasn't when SOWERS was first set up. I doubt that's changed.
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I'm still a little confused. Are they a separate ministry from TWI or is this TWI?
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In any legal sense, there is no corporate connection between twi and sowers whatsoever. They are organized by different people, and their paperwork reflects a complete distinction between the 2 groups.
In the doctrinal sense, both sowers and their parent splinter group are an attempt by ex-twi'ers to clone the earlier twi days, based word-for-word on the earlier setup of twi, using the exact phraseology vpw did, in an attempt to relive their glory days. It can't possibly work because the twi numbers explosion was based ENTIRELY on vpw taking a legitimate movement in Christianity, subverting it, and turning an already-successful group of people into his recruiting arm. THEY did all the work. THEY convinced the people of the substance. And THEY had no way to know all the plagiarism and corruption behind the scenes- and neither did the people.
Compare that to now. There's no group of young Christians ALREADY producing the big results that vpw wanted, there for sowers to subvert. The public can easily find out about all the corruption even if there WAS. And vpw KNEW he was a fraud and tailored his fraud accordingly. The sowers people still insist ALL of it was legitimate and of God- so they can't even get the successful CON going. But they've certainly ignored all the differences between THEN and NOW, and tried to make NOW look like THEN. They even convinced a guy named vpw- the grandson of the original plagiarizing rapist- to be the frontman of the organization.
So, legally, this is not any twi. In a practical sense, it is a sad attempt to replicate twi from its early days-which is why it's of interest to a handful of people and will remain a handful of people until it fades into obscurity. It's of interest only to ex-twi. And ex-twi are getting fewer in numbers because there's nobody new joining twi in any numbers, and that means the population of both current twi and ex-twi are all dying off as they get older and are not numerically replaced by successors.
This is a good thing. Ex-twi get on with their lives, mostly, and don't turn their families into twi clones. And those who do are in such small numbers that they are only slowing down the process of twi becoming completely irrelevant as opposed to almost-completely irrelevant.
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Thanks for the clarification Word Wolf. SOWERS is apart of a splinter group. I know it may seem strange to some here but this post is the 1st time I've ever heard of this group,
Word Wolf stated:
"It can't possibly work because the twi numbers explosion was based ENTIRELY on vpw taking a legitimate movement in Christianity, subverting it, and turning an already-successful group of people into his recruiting arm. THEY did all the work. THEY convinced the people of the substance. And THEY had no way to know all the plagiarism and corruption behind the scenes- and neither did the people."
Right on WW. The movement that was led by Heefner, Doop & Wade was hijacked. I wish the people who still think VPW is our "father in the word" would realize this.
Another question WW. Who is the parent splinter group?
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T-Bone
Excellent post, WordWolf !
i always look forward to your take on things
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Separate from TWI.
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Yeah......."a handful of
people".......er, wierwille-zealots. Add, Doug McMuffin who had farm property in Mississippi with wierwille-doctrine planted in the minds of youth, an isolated work/indoctrination camp and the toxic cult culture expects a harvest. Besides JP, other clingers want to saturate their minds in cult-glory nostalgia......and then, walter c'mon-man brings the group to nirvana with "literal translations according to wierwille."S.O.W.E.R.S. hast to be "the faithful remnant".........they've got wierwille BLOODLINE teaching them "the word."
Victor Paul Wierwille [grandson]........IN THE FLESH.
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Rocky
Ask them. Their website is easily found with a google search.
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They've also got a pretty Facebook page.
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So much for that group being about "The Word." The FB cover pic has a stack of four books, one of which was authored by the guy who fired Nixon special prosecutor Archibald Cox. That author was also appointed but denied confirmation to the US Supreme Court. My hunch is that they're trying to institutionalize some flavor of politics in their religion.
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There Sowers seal has an open bible and some wheat within a green circle. It is written Sowers.
No pentagon. No star.
Clearly, no strength and real direction.
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CFF is the parent splinter group, and SOWERS seems to be hiding their connection to "Christian Family Fellowship." So, SOWERS might be considered to be a group that soon may be a splinter group that split off FROM a splinter group (CFF). It's probably to hide the fact that SOWERS is based on a handful of old farts who want to relive their glory years decades after the Jesus People movement was almost snuffed out by vpw. They're selling it as a group composed entirely of the young turks.
If you have time, you can read through lengthier discussions that brought some of these points up as well as the more practical concerns about SOWERS.
"Here We Go Again." "Legacy of the Way Corps Principles."
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