Ya, that one is a little older. The way international will sue anyone, anytime over anything the deem someone else has encroached on their copyrighted works.
As for the not suing your brother ideal - they seem to ignore that. And if anything rationalize it away because their true brethren are amongst their own. Everyone else are unbelievers.
Sounds more like Michael somebody-or-other who thinks he's some great Jewish guru and dresses in funny clothes.
TWI makes a habit of suing people for use of "The Way" and other such marks or those including the phrase "The Way" in its name.
Actually if such organizations knew what The Way was like, they'd probably want to drop the name pretty quick to avoid being associated with such a cult.
The suit claims that the Hebraic Roots Version (HRV) Bible, the standard version of the Scriptures for many Nazarene Jews worldwide, infringes on the copyright of the Aramaic English Interlinear New Testament once published by the Way. The Way seeks through this suit, to ban the HRV Bible.
The Way international suing people over rights over their name... Really I thought sueing one another was forbidden in scripture like in 1st Cor (I think) someone correct me if I am wrong.
We I guess we are of the devil so it wouldn't apply... Am I correct on that?
I still don't understand why they are sueing a bible translation....
Well they do have the "trut" I guess.
Ok, the part about them suing the other group over the name,
yes, that happened, and yes it's forbidden in the Church Epistles,
which twi claim is the part addressed to us and has specific instructions for us,
including conduct.
The other part, well, that's a matter of who you're asking.
They didn't sue for translation, they sued because twi
(which is built on plagiarism)
put out a book which actually was not from plagiarism
(their New Testament translation work from Aramaic),
and someone else plagiarized THAT.
When twi does it, it's fine, but when someone else plagiarizes THEM
it's the same crime it is everywhere else.
So, they sued a plagiarizer for plagiarizing them.
The guy's posted here before.
He spent time trying to assemble a complete collection of all the
Aramaic stuff twi put out. A few years after he got it,
he claimed he'd completed a translation of his own-
but was caught retyping their book like vpw should have been caught
Sounds more like Michael somebody-or-other who thinks he's some great Jewish guru and dresses in funny clothes.
TWI makes a habit of suing people for use of "The Way" and other such marks or those including the phrase "The Way" in its name.
Actually if such organizations knew what The Way was like, they'd probably want to drop the name pretty quick to avoid being associated with such a cult.
Perhaps you're thinking of Michael Rood. Seventh Way Corps... quite the Rabbi these days.
The 2 books put together by the Research Dept were not ripped off from others-
"Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" and
"Jesus Christ Our Passover."
However, they say "by Victor Paul Wierwille" on the cover when he didn't
do the writing.
Someone tried to claim that's perfectly fine and scholars do that all the time.
The key research that "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" was built around was taken directly from Ernest L. Martin's "The Birth of Christ Recalculated" written in 1978. Martin did the heavy lifting on that one and the research team used his work. Without Martin's work JCOPS would never have been written.
The key research that "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" was built around was taken directly from Ernest L. Martin's "The Birth of Christ Recalculated" written in 1978. Martin did the heavy lifting on that one and the research team used his work. Without Martin's work JCOPS would never have been written.
Very true.
However, it wasn't the matter of just photocopying Martin's work
like had been done for other things. Also, the bibliography actually cites the source.
So, the hard part was all done by Martin, which might be seen as somewhat deceptive.
However, it was done (AFAIK) legally with regards to plagiarism, and not with the
BLATANT dishonesty of the previous stuff.
Perhaps you're thinking of Michael Rood. Seventh Way Corps... quite the Rabbi these days.
Don't confuse James Trimm with Michael Rood.
They are 2 different charlatans who have worked together in the past.
And Rood has never posted here, nor has twi ever caught him at anything.
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Ya, that one is a little older. The way international will sue anyone, anytime over anything the deem someone else has encroached on their copyrighted works.
As for the not suing your brother ideal - they seem to ignore that. And if anything rationalize it away because their true brethren are amongst their own. Everyone else are unbelievers.
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Oh, that is James Trimm's group. He posted here for a while but seemed rather on a recruitment outing.
I also seem to remember him getting a little testy when called on the carpet to answer charges such as the following:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hebraic-Roots-Version/
I guess us Grease Spots are a little wary of anything even resembling a cult leader.
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Not sure it's James Trimm.
Sounds more like Michael somebody-or-other who thinks he's some great Jewish guru and dresses in funny clothes.
TWI makes a habit of suing people for use of "The Way" and other such marks or those including the phrase "The Way" in its name.
Actually if such organizations knew what The Way was like, they'd probably want to drop the name pretty quick to avoid being associated with such a cult.
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HRV is def. Trimm
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Ok, the part about them suing the other group over the name,
yes, that happened, and yes it's forbidden in the Church Epistles,
which twi claim is the part addressed to us and has specific instructions for us,
including conduct.
The other part, well, that's a matter of who you're asking.
They didn't sue for translation, they sued because twi
(which is built on plagiarism)
put out a book which actually was not from plagiarism
(their New Testament translation work from Aramaic),
and someone else plagiarized THAT.
When twi does it, it's fine, but when someone else plagiarizes THEM
it's the same crime it is everywhere else.
So, they sued a plagiarizer for plagiarizing them.
The guy's posted here before.
He spent time trying to assemble a complete collection of all the
Aramaic stuff twi put out. A few years after he got it,
he claimed he'd completed a translation of his own-
but was caught retyping their book like vpw should have been caught
retyping other people's books.
www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/plagiarisms/hrvpage.htm
As to his other qualifications, Trimm claims a Doctorate from an unaccredited
organization, like vpw.
www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/falsedoctorate/falsedoctorateclaims.html
Similarly, his claims of Judaism are suspect.
www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/falsejewish/jtrimmjewish.html
Is he a cult leader?
www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/cultleader/cultleader.htm
In other news,
he also has a history with known ex-twi crackpot Michael Rood.
www.seekgod.ca/trfactor2.htm
And Trimm's told one group of people one thing while telling another the opposite simultaneously:
www.seekgod.ca/rabbiyosef.htm
So, it seems everything about James Trimm is a lie.
Despite that, he's not actually ex-twi. How about that.
www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/8051-james-trimm-the-way/page__p__193280
He's put forth his POV and his advertisements.
www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21037-the-way-international-argues-actual-words-of-the-bible-are-not-doctrine/
www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21038-federal-court-claims-right-to-regulate-scripture-interpretation/
www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21322-leaving-a-cult/
www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/21254-which-way/
BTW,
this was the group twi targeted:
www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/news/latest/the-way-internationals-lawyers-strike-again.html
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Word Wolf can you give me some sources that show which of VPWs works where copied and from where?
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A list of what wasn't copied would be shorter....much shorter
Seriously, though, here's one example to get the ball rolling.
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/vp_stiles.htm
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Juedes has side-by-side comparisons.
However, a few books I know off the top of my head:
The White Book (RTHST) was Stiles' book in its first edition, with a few words moved around.
Later editions included Leonard's work from his class,
and Bullinger's "Word Studies on the Holy Spirit" (released under different names.)
The Orange Book was a transcript, and was largely a mix of Leonard's class and
Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible."
ADAN was a compilation of 2 books of Bullinger's-
"King Saul and the Witch at Endor- Did the Prophet Samuel Rise at Her Bidding?"
and
"The Rich Man and Lazarus-an Intermediate State?"
along with "the Spirits in Prison."
You may notice that only 1 of "vpws" books ends in a question mark, and he ripped
off 2 books ending in question marks to "write" it.
Someone tried to claim that was some sort of coincidence.
The other collaterals were mixes here and there, partly of Kenyon.
The 2 books put together by the Research Dept were not ripped off from others-
"Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" and
"Jesus Christ Our Passover."
However, they say "by Victor Paul Wierwille" on the cover when he didn't
do the writing.
Someone tried to claim that's perfectly fine and scholars do that all the time.
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excathedra
keep spending good people's money
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Q: Why does a dog lick himself?
A: Because he can.
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Steve Lortz
Sooo... what's wrong then with Trimm doing it?
Love,
Steve
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waysider
Fascinating! Tell me again how the sky turned black with snow.
The Glass Eye
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No,
they were saying that it was normal for scholars to have grad students under them
do all the work and write a book,
and then the scholar puts his name on the result as "by (name)",
(No, I don't know what they were smoking before they said that.)
Trimm didn't do that, he just plagiarized.
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Perhaps you're thinking of Michael Rood. Seventh Way Corps... quite the Rabbi these days.
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The key research that "Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed" was built around was taken directly from Ernest L. Martin's "The Birth of Christ Recalculated" written in 1978. Martin did the heavy lifting on that one and the research team used his work. Without Martin's work JCOPS would never have been written.
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Very true.
However, it wasn't the matter of just photocopying Martin's work
like had been done for other things. Also, the bibliography actually cites the source.
So, the hard part was all done by Martin, which might be seen as somewhat deceptive.
However, it was done (AFAIK) legally with regards to plagiarism, and not with the
BLATANT dishonesty of the previous stuff.
Don't confuse James Trimm with Michael Rood.
They are 2 different charlatans who have worked together in the past.
And Rood has never posted here, nor has twi ever caught him at anything.
http://www.seekgod.ca/trfactor2.htm
http://www.seekgod.ca/trfactor.htm
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What planet do these goof balls come from?
http://www.lebtahor.com/truth/trimm/jamestrimm.htm
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