I have to stand aghast of his bold declarations of the early '80s when he stated, "The great things in life are not in ownership, but rather in the stewardship of them." In other words, when twi OWNS stuff its a wonderful thing.....so, at times, you are blessed to enjoy them while stewarding their upkeep and beauty and maintenance. Like the Way Woods, for example....you get to enjoy the beauty of nature and all WITHOUT OWNERSHIP OF IT.
Another point of wierwille's narcissistic wayworld.....
What about those ON THE FIELD......say 1,200 miles away? What part of "stewardship in the way" do THEY partake?
Who can possibly buy into the blatant BS and not see this discrepancy?
The infinite number of ways to describe TWI parallels the countless times in which Jesus, and others, depicted the Phariseeism of his day. Life's struggles were on daily display and the ruling class were lords on earth. The contrast counterpoint is noted of those who lorded over God's heritage. From social elites who love to walk about in the marketplaces to be seen of men....to the late night bribery of 13 pieces of silver to Judas......the scriptures depict the religious hierarchy.
Wierwille was a CLASSIC EXAMPLE of......"Do as I say NOT as I do."
He stayed on church payroll for 4 yrs while building his twi-venture ---- TRY DOING WHAT HE DID.
Vpw left his Van Wert church to search more truth in other places ------- WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU DO THAT?
Wierwille had loads and loads of questions that went unanswered --------- I HAD ALL KINDS OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS TOO.
vpw did NOT like to be marginalized with insubordination rank ----------- YET, TWI DEMANDS TOTAL INSUBORDINATION
When did wierwille EVER give volunteer servitude without pay? ----------- HE WANTED TO BE LORD OF THE MANOR
The caste system in twi had the hallmarks of bondage inscribed ---------- THUS, CLASSES & NAMETAGS & PROGRAMS
IMO.....true christianity is the foundation of true liberty and individual sovereignty.
In twi, wierwille set in motion the class system of old europe.....pouring "new wine" in old wineskins. Deceptively, wierwille really was bringing "new light" to his generation.......BUT IT WAS THE DARK SERFDOM MODEL OF OLD.
I have to stand aghast of his bold declarations of the early '80s when he stated, "The great things in life are not in ownership, but rather in the stewardship of them." In other words, when twi OWNS stuff its a wonderful thing.....so, at times, you are blessed to enjoy them while stewarding their upkeep and beauty and maintenance. Like the Way Woods, for example....you get to enjoy the beauty of nature and all WITHOUT OWNERSHIP OF IT.
I'm dead serious.....wierwille made statements like this during nightowls!
Rewind the world back 8 or 9 centuries to explore the "beauty" of stewarding the lord's mines, forests, roads and property.
.
The VP version reads a little differently with some time and perspective......I think VP had the answers to his questions.....he came from a pretty theologically sound denomination. It wasn't as if no one knew theology or doctrine back in the day. Maybe......he simply didn't LIKE the answers he had. This is pretty evident by what he eventually adopted as doctrine and practice. The man rewrote the Christian faith to suit his own lusts.
You mentioned freedom as being the true foundation of Christianity. I can't argue with that....nor would I want to....but, I remember what we considered "Freedom" in TWI. How we were free in Christ. Everything sounds good on the surface, but when you begin to look at what that meant in TWI as opposed to what it means in the church.....you can see that subtle perversion of a simple truth. To us, it meant we were not bound to rules, or restrictions.....to the law. It went from that to pretty much everything is fair game. I remember freedom in Christ being a great opening to bash the church. It was everything except.......what it actually is!!
Before we accepted Jesus Christ as savior....we were BOUND to the law of SIN and BOUND to death. Bound....we didn't have a choice....we didn't even have the freedom to love God. We were not free to serve....and SIN and DEATH were our only choices. Now, as a Christian, I am free to love and free serve God......what freedom in Christ doesn't mean is I am free to get high at twig or sleep around. I have a Lord and a Master whom I am bound to and slave to but, now I am free to obey and follow.
Simple truth was so subtly and in an ugly manner perverted in TWI and it was difficult to see the difference. We used the same verbiage as Christians......it sounded right, but it meant something very different. The same thing with VP's perversion of the meaning of grace.......and the strange thing to come to terms with is that just because VP perverted these things.....it doesn't mean they are not true......we just have to learn the difference and decide if that is what we want. VP made his decision.
The Newsboys have a great song that conveys this simple truth as Christians understand freedom.....it doesn't mean no rules or a free for all. And for the record, this is what an auditorium filled with Christians actually looks like. If you have never been to one of these concerts....you should go....you won't soon forget it. The Newsboys, are some of the most humble and nicest guys around.
You mentioned freedom as being the true foundation of Christianity. I can't argue with that....nor would I want to....but, I remember what we considered "Freedom" in TWI. How we were free in Christ. Everything sounds good on the surface, but when you begin to look at what that meant in TWI as opposed to what it means in the church.....you can see that subtle perversion of a simple truth. To us, it meant we were not bound to rules, or restrictions.....to the law. It went from that to pretty much everything is fair game. I remember freedom in Christ being a great opening to bash the church. It was everything except.......what it actually is!!
Before we accepted Jesus Christ as savior....we were BOUND to the law of SIN and BOUND to death. Bound....we didn't have a choice....we didn't even have the freedom to love God. We were not free to serve....and SIN and DEATH were our only choices. Now, as a Christian, I am free to love and free serve God......what freedom in Christ doesn't mean is I am free to get high at twig or sleep around. I have a Lord and a Master whom I am bound to and slave to but, now I am free to obey and follow.
geisha.....I understand the depth of what you are saying in this post.....
....BUT with regards to "what we considered 'Freedom' in TWI"......that "we" is a broad stroke
I was born again BEFORE TWI......and believed in the simplicity in Christ, as savior and lord
......refused to have sexual intercourse before marriage even though it was amply available
......refused lustful temptations while two yrs of wow ambassador with 'wow sisters in panties'
......never did drugs, never cared to
......nor did I see the need to bash churches, jews, etc.
Could it be possible that there were HUNDREDS like me in twi? or in the corps?
Wierwille was slime.....
....perhaps, I should have left in 1978 when I saw it clearly.
....perhaps, I should have never gone corps.
....my wife was corps too.
YET......today, my wife and I have two outstanding and successful young sons.
Maybe,...some of us went thru the twi experience TO HELP OTHERS GET OUT ??
Accounts in scripture like Joseph imprisoned for 7 yrs....makes me wonder. Look at THAT outcome!
Perhaps, our 'trial by fire' was the twi experience and coming out the other side?
geisha.....I understand the depth of what you are saying in this post.....
....BUT with regards to "what we considered 'Freedom' in TWI"......that "we" is a broad stroke
I was born again BEFORE TWI......and believed in the simplicity in Christ, as savior and lord
......refused to have sexual intercourse before marriage even though it was amply available
......refused lustful temptations while two yrs of wow ambassador with 'wow sisters in panties'
......never did drugs, never cared to
......nor did I see the need to bash churches, jews, etc.
Could it be possible that there were HUNDREDS like me in twi? or in the corps?
Wierwille was slime.....
....perhaps, I should have left in 1978 when I saw it clearly.
....perhaps, I should have never gone corps.
....my wife was corps too.
YET......today, my wife and I have two outstanding and successful young sons.
Maybe,...some of us went thru the twi experience TO HELP OTHERS GET OUT ??
Accounts in scripture like Joseph imprisoned for 7 yrs....makes me wonder. Look at THAT outcome!
Perhaps, our 'trial by fire' was the twi experience and coming out the other side?
Can't argue with that....nor would I want to. Sure, "we" is painting with broad strokes, it wasn't personal....sorry if it seemed to be. What I meant was the top down perversion of these simple truths, which is why I mentioned VP rewriting the Christian faith to suit his lusts. I remember hearing these things about freedom in sermons and teachings.....and the foul and vile language used to teach scripture considered freedom in Christ. The railing at churches, at Christians.
There were many people born again before TWI who got caught up in it.....but, you also had a bunch of unregenerated souls ruling the roost....preaching about freedom while enslaving others. That is what was destined to happen while they were still bound to sin.
I can't speak to why we went through it all....I still don't understand it myself and I do wonder about why I had to get caught up in that only to be delivered much later. I know God is faithful, I prayed to know Him and He eventually let me.....but, I took a funny route to salvation. So, maybe some did go through it to help others out. Seems reasonable. Don't ask me....I am still trying to understand why I fell for it all. :)
...And another thing that bugged the .... out of me while in
residence, were their bait and switch tactics. When I signed up, I made a FOUR YEAR
commitment. That was it! It was optional to take assignments upon graduation...at
least, that's what they said in WRITING! A couple of months into the training, at
Emporia, they tell us all that we have made a LIFETIME commitment to the corps!...
and if we don't "understand THAT"...then we are "spiritually out to lunch." I sat
there listening to this crap, muttering under my breath that I only committed
for 4 years, getting angrier by the moment as everybody just sat there with a
glazed look on their faces saying "yup, yup"...not me! I regret not packing my
stuff up and splitting right then and there!
========================
Skyrider's reply to that quote:
quote:
Manipulation-mongers! They waited a couple months and then, slam-dunk our
commitment level when we are behind CLOSED DOORS and surrounded by PEER PRESURE.
What a bunch of low-life tactics!
Was this tactic used in the zero corps? And, everyone left???
When the atrocities of the corps program are exposed...vpw was a major player in
scamming people. He may have been on the stage a lot, but some of us know that vpw
could easily hide in the shadows.
==============================
Skyrider had also said
quote:
By the early 80s...the term cop out had
gained legs...and had evolved to mean...any corps person or corps grad who
quit taking assignments was a cop out.
Twi changed the parameters.
Now, it was a LIFETIME COMMITMENT to stand with twi.
And, that labelling is still in effect to this day.
================================
Shazdancer said
quote:
I was committed to God long before I went into the Corps.
I signed up for Recognized Family Corps because I wanted the in-depth knowledge
that the Corps was supposedly being taught, before my husband and I were to join
Staff. We were accepted into the Corps on that basis. I still have a Recognized
Corps certificate to prove it.
Long after our in-res year, a couple of Corps leaders tried to explain to me that
I had made a lifetime commitment to the Corps program--to submit to evaluations,
and go to any and go to any Corps meetings that were required. Silly me for
requiring them to honor their agreement with me.
I am just as committed to doing good and respecting God as I ever was, I just don't
express it in the same way that I did while in TWI.
=========================
igotout explained
quote:
what Skyrider is alluding to is that the Way Corps
"commitment" we originally made became a "we own you and you WILL do what we say
for the rest of your lives" commitment.
And if you didn't like it then you were dropped from the Corps if not kicked out
all together from TWI. That's pure BS.
Originally back when larger groups of us were going into the Corps by the hundreds
(I was in the 7th, I believe Sky was in the 9th) it was not implied that there
would be this "dog soldier leash" around your life after you graduated. Only
much later did this become specifically stated.
Heck I remember LCM stating one evening at a Corps meeting in Emporia...
"not all of you can become branch leaders. Many of you need to go out and get
jobs and careers and go to college."
Well some of us did. Later we were resented for it. Yes it was implied that once
Corps always Corps. No prob. Think Marine Corps. You have had the training and
served your country and now you serve in society as a better man for it.
It was more promoted as another program like WOW or other such ministry
commitments. A Wow Vet was not under this short leash and control, for example to
move every three years and such. Yet he is still a Wow Vet. I still have one of
the old Corps Vet tee shirts which I would bet they discontinued in latter years.
A lifetime of Christiand service? No prob...Still doing the best I can. A
lifetime of volunteer enslavement on a dog's leash?
No way, Rosie!
=========================
skyrider:
Yeah......I said it THEN, and I'll say it AGAIN.
When twi did their little corps promos....and sent out their literature....there was NO HINT of the corps program being a lifetime commitment to the way exaggerational.
I did NOT make a "lifetime commitment" to serve twi doctrine"......NO WAY. Only behind closed doors, did twi have the sleazy tactics to try and put their hooks into us young corps. And, yeah....for years, I kept taking on assignments to appease the guilt. But in my heart, I knew my allegiance was to God Almighty.
And, the further from hq....the BETTER my year. To avoid suck-up leaders and the bureaucratic cesspool of committee indulgence was NOT SOMETHING THAT APPEALED TO ME. I detested the lording over of God's heritage. I detested martinfail's scream-sessions. I detested the idolizing of the wierwille-owens-wierwille hierarchy. I detested the lcm-wannabes and the golf club gang.
Sure, I could have left......but, I kept waiting to see if "the new classes" and "sanctifying of the household" would produce godly results. I knew too much about cgeer to want to follow his groupies and his mentality. NO THANKS.
To me, the corps program was THE BEGINNING OF THE END. Yeah, it could have been a wonderful blessing....if godly agendas were backing it. But wierwille, in his lust for power formed and conformed THE CORPS PROGRAM INTO HIS IMAGE......an image of arrogance, and self-serving lust.
Signing on the line to go corps......was ONE of the worst decisions of my life. I deeply regret it......STILL.
Can't argue with that....nor would I want to. Sure, "we" is painting with broad strokes, it wasn't personal....sorry if it seemed to be. What I meant was the top down perversion of these simple truths, which is why I mentioned VP rewriting the Christian faith to suit his lusts. I remember hearing these things about freedom in sermons and teachings.....and the foul and vile language used to teach scripture considered freedom in Christ. The railing at churches, at Christians.
There were many people born again before TWI who got caught up in it.....but, you also had a bunch of unregenerated souls ruling the roost....preaching about freedom while enslaving others. That is what was destined to happen while they were still bound to sin.
I can't speak to why we went through it all....I still don't understand it myself and I do wonder about why I had to get caught up in that only to be delivered much later. I know God is faithful, I prayed to know Him and He eventually let me.....but, I took a funny route to salvation. So, maybe some did go through it to help others out. Seems reasonable. Don't ask me....I am still trying to understand why I fell for it all. :)
Yes, it definitely was a deep snare......that many of us fell into.
Perhaps, I'll never fully know 'why?'
But then, christians are duped time and time again.
WW......the Genesis 50:20 record has been of interest to me for years.
Maybe, 'God meant it good for me to be in twi'......I've helped about 90 people exit.
Plus, I'm not sure that I could have ever found a better wife anywhere.
Also, now I see huge chunks of scripture with remarkable clarity.
Sure, I could have left......but, I kept waiting to see if "the new classes" and "sanctifying of the household" would produce godly results. I knew too much about cgeer to want to follow his groupies and his mentality. NO THANKS.
To me, the corps program was THE BEGINNING OF THE END. Yeah, it could have been a wonderful blessing....if godly agendas were backing it. But wierwille, in his lust for power formed and conformed THE CORPS PROGRAM INTO HIS IMAGE......an image of arrogance, and self-serving lust.
Signing on the line to go corps......was ONE of the worst decisions of my life. I deeply regret it......STILL.
skyrider
Exactly!......my ANGER in being deceived by wierwille brings out that fire.
The indoctrination of that corps program was an intense fight for a lifetime of twi servitude.
Even to this day....offshoot leaders and ex-twi clergy spout the great 'training.'
And, now.....WW brings these words back to mind. Thanks man.
Woe unto me......that I fight this christian battle of doubt.
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Another point of wierwille's narcissistic wayworld.....
What about those ON THE FIELD......say 1,200 miles away? What part of "stewardship in the way" do THEY partake?
Who can possibly buy into the blatant BS and not see this discrepancy?
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The VP version reads a little differently with some time and perspective......I think VP had the answers to his questions.....he came from a pretty theologically sound denomination. It wasn't as if no one knew theology or doctrine back in the day. Maybe......he simply didn't LIKE the answers he had. This is pretty evident by what he eventually adopted as doctrine and practice. The man rewrote the Christian faith to suit his own lusts.
You mentioned freedom as being the true foundation of Christianity. I can't argue with that....nor would I want to....but, I remember what we considered "Freedom" in TWI. How we were free in Christ. Everything sounds good on the surface, but when you begin to look at what that meant in TWI as opposed to what it means in the church.....you can see that subtle perversion of a simple truth. To us, it meant we were not bound to rules, or restrictions.....to the law. It went from that to pretty much everything is fair game. I remember freedom in Christ being a great opening to bash the church. It was everything except.......what it actually is!!
Before we accepted Jesus Christ as savior....we were BOUND to the law of SIN and BOUND to death. Bound....we didn't have a choice....we didn't even have the freedom to love God. We were not free to serve....and SIN and DEATH were our only choices. Now, as a Christian, I am free to love and free serve God......what freedom in Christ doesn't mean is I am free to get high at twig or sleep around. I have a Lord and a Master whom I am bound to and slave to but, now I am free to obey and follow.
Simple truth was so subtly and in an ugly manner perverted in TWI and it was difficult to see the difference. We used the same verbiage as Christians......it sounded right, but it meant something very different. The same thing with VP's perversion of the meaning of grace.......and the strange thing to come to terms with is that just because VP perverted these things.....it doesn't mean they are not true......we just have to learn the difference and decide if that is what we want. VP made his decision.
The Newsboys have a great song that conveys this simple truth as Christians understand freedom.....it doesn't mean no rules or a free for all. And for the record, this is what an auditorium filled with Christians actually looks like. If you have never been to one of these concerts....you should go....you won't soon forget it. The Newsboys, are some of the most humble and nicest guys around.
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geisha.....I understand the depth of what you are saying in this post.....
....BUT with regards to "what we considered 'Freedom' in TWI"......that "we" is a broad stroke
I was born again BEFORE TWI......and believed in the simplicity in Christ, as savior and lord
......refused to have sexual intercourse before marriage even though it was amply available
......refused lustful temptations while two yrs of wow ambassador with 'wow sisters in panties'
......never did drugs, never cared to
......nor did I see the need to bash churches, jews, etc.
Could it be possible that there were HUNDREDS like me in twi? or in the corps?
Wierwille was slime.....
....perhaps, I should have left in 1978 when I saw it clearly.
....perhaps, I should have never gone corps.
....my wife was corps too.
YET......today, my wife and I have two outstanding and successful young sons.
Maybe,...some of us went thru the twi experience TO HELP OTHERS GET OUT ??
Accounts in scripture like Joseph imprisoned for 7 yrs....makes me wonder. Look at THAT outcome!
Perhaps, our 'trial by fire' was the twi experience and coming out the other side?
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Can't argue with that....nor would I want to. Sure, "we" is painting with broad strokes, it wasn't personal....sorry if it seemed to be. What I meant was the top down perversion of these simple truths, which is why I mentioned VP rewriting the Christian faith to suit his lusts. I remember hearing these things about freedom in sermons and teachings.....and the foul and vile language used to teach scripture considered freedom in Christ. The railing at churches, at Christians.
There were many people born again before TWI who got caught up in it.....but, you also had a bunch of unregenerated souls ruling the roost....preaching about freedom while enslaving others. That is what was destined to happen while they were still bound to sin.
I can't speak to why we went through it all....I still don't understand it myself and I do wonder about why I had to get caught up in that only to be delivered much later. I know God is faithful, I prayed to know Him and He eventually let me.....but, I took a funny route to salvation. So, maybe some did go through it to help others out. Seems reasonable. Don't ask me....I am still trying to understand why I fell for it all. :)
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I don't think God wanted Joseph in slavery in Egypt NOR imprisoned in Egypt
for crimes he never committed.
I think God used the evil deeds of evil men and women to do good and save a lot
of people.
Genesis 50:20
King James Version (KJV)
20But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.
Genesis 50:20
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
20 As for you, you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good in order to bring about this present result, to preserve many people alive.
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GrouchoMarxJr:
quote:
...And another thing that bugged the .... out of me while in
residence, were their bait and switch tactics. When I signed up, I made a FOUR YEAR
commitment. That was it! It was optional to take assignments upon graduation...at
least, that's what they said in WRITING! A couple of months into the training, at
Emporia, they tell us all that we have made a LIFETIME commitment to the corps!...
and if we don't "understand THAT"...then we are "spiritually out to lunch." I sat
there listening to this crap, muttering under my breath that I only committed
for 4 years, getting angrier by the moment as everybody just sat there with a
glazed look on their faces saying "yup, yup"...not me! I regret not packing my
stuff up and splitting right then and there!
========================
Skyrider's reply to that quote:
quote:
Manipulation-mongers! They waited a couple months and then, slam-dunk our
commitment level when we are behind CLOSED DOORS and surrounded by PEER PRESURE.
What a bunch of low-life tactics!
Was this tactic used in the zero corps? And, everyone left???
When the atrocities of the corps program are exposed...vpw was a major player in
scamming people. He may have been on the stage a lot, but some of us know that vpw
could easily hide in the shadows.
==============================
Skyrider had also said
quote:
By the early 80s...the term cop out had
gained legs...and had evolved to mean...any corps person or corps grad who
quit taking assignments was a cop out.
Twi changed the parameters.
Now, it was a LIFETIME COMMITMENT to stand with twi.
And, that labelling is still in effect to this day.
================================
Shazdancer said
quote:
I was committed to God long before I went into the Corps.
I signed up for Recognized Family Corps because I wanted the in-depth knowledge
that the Corps was supposedly being taught, before my husband and I were to join
Staff. We were accepted into the Corps on that basis. I still have a Recognized
Corps certificate to prove it.
Long after our in-res year, a couple of Corps leaders tried to explain to me that
I had made a lifetime commitment to the Corps program--to submit to evaluations,
and go to any and go to any Corps meetings that were required. Silly me for
requiring them to honor their agreement with me.
I am just as committed to doing good and respecting God as I ever was, I just don't
express it in the same way that I did while in TWI.
=========================
igotout explained
quote:
what Skyrider is alluding to is that the Way Corps
"commitment" we originally made became a "we own you and you WILL do what we say
for the rest of your lives" commitment.
And if you didn't like it then you were dropped from the Corps if not kicked out
all together from TWI. That's pure BS.
Originally back when larger groups of us were going into the Corps by the hundreds
(I was in the 7th, I believe Sky was in the 9th) it was not implied that there
would be this "dog soldier leash" around your life after you graduated. Only
much later did this become specifically stated.
Heck I remember LCM stating one evening at a Corps meeting in Emporia...
"not all of you can become branch leaders. Many of you need to go out and get
jobs and careers and go to college."
Well some of us did. Later we were resented for it. Yes it was implied that once
Corps always Corps. No prob. Think Marine Corps. You have had the training and
served your country and now you serve in society as a better man for it.
It was more promoted as another program like WOW or other such ministry
commitments. A Wow Vet was not under this short leash and control, for example to
move every three years and such. Yet he is still a Wow Vet. I still have one of
the old Corps Vet tee shirts which I would bet they discontinued in latter years.
A lifetime of Christiand service? No prob...Still doing the best I can. A
lifetime of volunteer enslavement on a dog's leash?
No way, Rosie!
=========================
skyrider:
Yeah......I said it THEN, and I'll say it AGAIN.
When twi did their little corps promos....and sent out their literature....there was NO HINT of the corps program being a lifetime commitment to the way exaggerational.
I did NOT make a "lifetime commitment" to serve twi doctrine"......NO WAY. Only behind closed doors, did twi have the sleazy tactics to try and put their hooks into us young corps. And, yeah....for years, I kept taking on assignments to appease the guilt. But in my heart, I knew my allegiance was to God Almighty.
And, the further from hq....the BETTER my year. To avoid suck-up leaders and the bureaucratic cesspool of committee indulgence was NOT SOMETHING THAT APPEALED TO ME. I detested the lording over of God's heritage. I detested martinfail's scream-sessions. I detested the idolizing of the wierwille-owens-wierwille hierarchy. I detested the lcm-wannabes and the golf club gang.
Sure, I could have left......but, I kept waiting to see if "the new classes" and "sanctifying of the household" would produce godly results. I knew too much about cgeer to want to follow his groupies and his mentality. NO THANKS.
To me, the corps program was THE BEGINNING OF THE END. Yeah, it could have been a wonderful blessing....if godly agendas were backing it. But wierwille, in his lust for power formed and conformed THE CORPS PROGRAM INTO HIS IMAGE......an image of arrogance, and self-serving lust.
Signing on the line to go corps......was ONE of the worst decisions of my life. I deeply regret it......STILL.
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Yes, it definitely was a deep snare......that many of us fell into.
Perhaps, I'll never fully know 'why?'
But then, christians are duped time and time again.
WW......the Genesis 50:20 record has been of interest to me for years.
Maybe, 'God meant it good for me to be in twi'......I've helped about 90 people exit.
Plus, I'm not sure that I could have ever found a better wife anywhere.
Also, now I see huge chunks of scripture with remarkable clarity.
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Exactly!......my ANGER in being deceived by wierwille brings out that fire.
The indoctrination of that corps program was an intense fight for a lifetime of twi servitude.
Even to this day....offshoot leaders and ex-twi clergy spout the great 'training.'
And, now.....WW brings these words back to mind. Thanks man.
Woe unto me......that I fight this christian battle of doubt.
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Well.....at least, I've been consistent in pointing out the manipulation-mongers!
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