Cheapness

[skyrider]

On ‎2‎/‎18‎/‎2012 at 0:14 PM, chockfull said:

Sometimes I think it's the little things that show the most. The overall drive to "burn the chaff" getting rid of "old man things" promoted by TWI. It's the dispensing of one's identity and the substitution of the group identity. Of course people by nature will get rid of things attached to bad memories, but this is different. The whole symbolism manipulated by the terms "old man" and "new man" in TWI's use are very unhealthy. There is strength in heritage, family, past accomplishments, memories.

When you combine the over-emphasis on "likemindedness" - an ingrained "group-think" with the complete lack of care of the individual shown by TWI, it's a very damaging combination.

Great post, chock..........good to see it again.

EVERYTHING about the cult experience.......group identity, conformity, submission, culture, and a squandered future is chaff, chaff and more chaff.

This chaff..........needs to be blown out the "back end" of our lives.  It's worthless and should be scattered to the winds.  The false teachers in the cult had twisted and manipulated what was "chaff" and what was "wheat."

The Wheat............heritage, family, friends, past accomplishments, educational pursuits, special memories, faith, etc. are those which one needs to auger into storage bins of heart and soul. 

 

 

[outandabout]

We were to Burn the Chaff - get rid of any identity regarding our families, our interests, talents, individuality.  Yet, the Wierwilles were all about Weirwille Weirwille.

[chockfull]

To me lately it has been opposite of the Way Burn the Chaff.  

All those things they said to get rid of, I think are worth collecting.  Childhood memories, old vinyl albums, family and time with them, good friends in the community who are not Christian, hobbies, relationships at work where you are not witnessing, neighbors, and in general the story of my life.  I've got an artifact from cub scouts in my office because it makes me feel good.

All those things they said to prioritize, I think are worth getting rid of.  For example, Sunday Teaching service tape collections.  Bye Bye.  Boring the first time you heard it live, it doesn't get more exciting on tape.  Way magazine articles and boxes of them.  Bye Bye.  You don't need them anyway, as all personality and authenticity in the teachings have been surgically removed.  Besides, before long they will be further cleansed and regurgitated on a ministry website.  Next, Ministry notes.  Bye Bye.  Somebody's rantings and personal commentary on a book of the Bible aren't worth re-reading.  Ministry Bibles and all their stupid notes - also's marked, color coded to way classes with underline, whatever.   Bye Bye.  I'd rather read a non-annotated Bible in modern English thank you.  I could give a flying rat's @$$ whether or not the italics in a Bible say somebody "changed a word".  HA!.  VP changed more words with his literals according to usage than any Bible scholar did anywhere with a translation.  Besides, I'm not a fundamentalist anymore.  I just read the Bible for positive inspiration, and sometimes for the crazy stories, and sometimes for comfort.  You say it contradicts itself?  Well, so does the entire human f'ing race.   So what?

So you know Way ministry, you were right and you were wrong about Burn the Chaff.

You were right about the concept.  It is nice to travel light.  In modern times this concept has gained ground under a different name.  Minimalism.

But you as usual were wrong about the execution of it.  

That's because you, Way ministry, are The Chaff.

[krys]

Bravo, chockfull! Very well said.

[Grace Valerie Claire]

1 hour ago, krys said:

Bravo, chockfull! Very well said.

Yes, it was!!

[chockfull]

The Way ministry history of the day named for "Uncle Harry" VP's brother local millionaire from a furniture business.

Burn the Chaff day used to be called Uncle Harry day.

Why did the Way rename it?  Because Uncle Harry, Harry Wierwille, at best was an enabler.  An enabler of Vicster's wild scheme's, a coverer of a mutitude of sins with cash, a funder of the cult.  Without Harry Wierwille's millions, the Way would not have gained the exposure worldwide that it did.

Uncle Harry was known to see lots of miracles.  In all actuality, if you want to get down to it, Uncle Harry was the first to institute a "pay for play" position in the Way.  To this day followers of the "pay for play" philosophy in the way are treated differently than the common folk.

Edited August 2, 2017 by chockfull

[Grace Valerie Claire]

3 hours ago, chockfull said:

The Way ministry history of the day named for "Uncle Harry" VP's brother local millionaire from a furniture business.

Burn the Chaff day used to be called Uncle Harry day.

Why did the Way rename it?  Because Uncle Harry, Harry Wierwille, at best was an enabler.  An enabler of Vicster's wild scheme's, a coverer of a mutitude of sins with cash, a funder of the cult.  Without Harry Wierwille's millions, the Way would not have gained the exposure worldwide that it did.

Uncle Harry was known to see lots of miracles.  In all actuality, if you want to get down to it, Uncle Harry was the first to institute a "pay for play" position in the Way.  To this day followers of the "pay for play" philosophy in the way are treated differently than the common folk.

Chock; we have a winner!!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 2/14/2012 at 10:28 PM, waysider said:

One year, I was home for Christmas break. I ran into a couple local guys who had just gone into WC3 or WC4 who were also on break. (I lose track of the numbers thing.) They were all excited about how they learned you could have more abundance if you used less toothpaste. I thought, WTF??? This is the "how to" of the abundant life?? I could have gotten better advice on how to be a cheapskate from my Grandparents, who discovered all sorts of tricks during The Great Depression. Red flags waving but I chose to ignore them.

Way, IMO a lot of us ignored them to our determent.

[skyrider]

On ‎7‎/‎31‎/‎2017 at 6:51 PM, outandabout said:

We were to Burn the Chaff - get rid of any identity regarding our families, our interests, talents, individuality.  Yet, the Wierwilles were all about Weirwille Weirwille.

Yeah........the blatant double-standard on full display.

• The wierwille heritage was embraced because he and his family were silver-spoon special.
• Yet......we, the little people, were scolded that it was "worldly" to highlight our families.
• Wierwille showcased his dogs, Harleys and porn movie.......hypocrisy much?  [/sarc]
• Yet......pets and possessions were scoffed at from the preaching podium.
• Wierwille boasted about his individual pursuits, adventures and interests.
• Yet......the "little people" endured verbal abuse to keep running classes.

No life.  No love.  No living.......in The Way.

We were on the clock to sell their soap.

[chockfull]

With cheapness it's funny I was re-reading one of WordWolf's posts where he made the point that what people spend money on is what they value, when we are talking about cheapness.

So with the Way ministry, with simple clear logic, I just ask you to compare the following 2 categories:

1) How much money the Way has spent on covering up sexcapades.

2) How much money the Way spends on the Way Corps.

On the Way Corps it's like - "go study the collaterals, we don't have any real college level professors".  Or "You're going to take the Dale Carnegie class, but instead of paying someone who is certified to teach it or spending money for one of the dooface Corpse coordinators to take it, we are going to have this schlub teach it".  Or "your tuition doesn't even begin to cover the cost of training you" - oh reaaaaallllllllyyyyyyyyyy?   You mean those empty rooms that you are already paying electricity and maintenance on cost a lot?  Oh yeah?  Well how bout you try and rent them out on the open market and tell me how much you get for them?  Put up rooms in Founder's Hall on AirBnB.  I dare you.  You wont' make a million - you'd be lucky to break even.

I would say you could examine the Way's finances and see where their priority lies.

[Grace Valerie Claire]

4 hours ago, skyrider said:

Yeah........the blatant double-standard on full display.

• The wierwille heritage was embraced because he and his family were silver-spoon special.
• Yet......we, the little people, were scolded that it was "worldly" to highlight our families.
• Wierwille showcased his dogs, Harleys and porn movie.......hypocrisy much?  [/sarc]
• Yet......pets and possessions were scoffed at from the preaching podium.
• Wierwille boasted about his individual pursuits, adventures and interests.
• Yet......the "little people" endured verbal abuse to keep running classes.

No life.  No love.  No living.......in The Way.

We were on the clock to sell their soap.

Sky, and if you refused to sell it, and left, your name was trashed from pilliar to post.  Nuts to VPW!

[WordWolf]

On 5/3/2012 at 2:57 PM, WordWolf said:

It's a good idea to reread PoP every few years when in recovery from twi exposure.

It's amazing how much the content changes every few years. :)

The last time I read it, it was a lot more shocking than the time before,

which was already a shock.

For those who want to reread "the Passing of the Patriarch", it's archived here:

http://wayback.archive.org/web/20150119085659/http://www.greasespotcafe.com:80/main2/waydale/waydale-miscellaneous/passing-of-the-patriarch.html