I have mentioned this before but, my all time FAVORITE is when we had a super important limb wide meeting for Advanced Class grads...it was to break down the lyrics and video of "We Are the World".
A bunch of high profile people get together to spotlight a famine.....offer aid, raise money for FOOD for starving people...and somehow it is the devil's handiwork.
I have mentioned this before but, my all time FAVORITE is when we had a super important limb wide meeting for Advanced Class grads...it was to break down the lyrics and video of "We Are the World".
OMG!!!! That's rich. I would like to present the following award to you ex-limb coordinator.
Getting reamed for not believing to have good weather was really stupid. They need to watch Bruce Almighty to see what happened when he moved the moon.
"I was told, back in 1989, one of the reasons there were
problems after vpw's death was that, as a direct result of
his death,
"that huge network of believing vanished."
That is, an ex-corpse person, who was in "active rebellion"
against twi's draconian statements in 1989, had said that
during vpw's life, his believing, and his believing ALONE,
acted like a huge net over the entire USA, thwarting the
devil like some huge construct of Green Lantern's ring.
Once vpw died, it vanished, forcing the rest of us mortals to
deal with things as best we could."
================================
"In 1976 I attended my first ROA's in Sydney Ohio. I remember the WOW's with whom we travelled saying that VP does not sleep during this whole entire event. He was so 'spiritually' wired that he was awake for the whole 4 days, praying and teaching and meeting needs..."
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"It was TWI that caused the fall if the Soviet Union. If it had not been for Wierwille's stand on the Word countless countries would have fallen to communism, California would have slipped off into the Pacific Ocean, and we would all now be speaking Russian..."
==================================
"When Squeaky From went to shoot the President and her gun did not fire, it was because VP had the foresight to send WOW's there that day. Because of the WOW's presence, under the direction of VP, our President was saved."
================================
"God told VP to put WOW's on the San Andres fault in California. This prevented the HUGE earthquake which otherwise would have happened.
I recall someone in CA said something bad about TWI and VP said, "I should just take my WOW's off the fault and see what happens to them."
====================================
"Did you know that TWI prevented the certain overthrow of the USA by all the witnessing we did and by the production and promotion of America Awakes? It was all going to happen by the bi-centennial in 1976. Heck, I still have my copy of "The Secret new Constitution" which had been drafted by the evil powers, the Catholic church being foremost among them! America Awakes drove back the spirit power. Our country was saved! Thank God all those WOW's signed up. Just in the nick of time. Their door to door and street witnessing changed destiny!
A more recent example in TWI II was Y2K. Quote from LCM and other leaders: "It was the preparation on the household of The Way that kept anything from happening."
=============================
I recall them discussing that Richard Nixon had a plan to eliminate states and instead divide the country into regions. It was all in preperation of the "take over".
I remember storing food in the early 70's when I was frightened of a "take over" the first time by TWI.
And yes we all stood on the WORD and stopped the evil!
============================
What about the story that it was a Corps Prayer meeting lead by VP that resulted in the death of Vice President Nelson Rockefeller. The story goes that he was the lead conspirator in the drive to replace the Constitution and that the prayers of VP and the Corps (Superman and the Justic League) brought the hand of the Lord down upon him.
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This one isn't in the Superhero category, but I remember being told that VP prayed for each W.O.W. Ambassador each day. The year I went, there were over 3,000! I remember wondering how the heck he could find time to pray for 3,000 individuals each day. It was because he was SUPERspiritual, no doubt.
A Crack in Time.......our version was complete with commentary about how the world went crazy because VP had PFAL? Please please tell me I am not the only one who remembers this great spiritual insight from the Advanced Class? I paid very hard earned money to learn this.
I always loved the "believing stopped the such and such" lines. I spent hundred of dollars on Y2K preparations. I spent countless hours as a fellowship coordinator harassing all the people in my fellowship to get their checklists completed. Heck, we even had an agreed upon meeting location out in the country at someone's house along with travel plans to get there safely when the melt down started. It took me half dozen trips getting all my stuff out to this persons storage shed in the weeks before new years eve. And what came of it? .....
nothing....nada....zip....
And of course Craig comes back with the lines that (to paraphrase) "all the preparation and believing defeated this attack of the adversary." and also "If we had not done all that work it would have happened."
It took me around six months to use all the damned supplies I had gathered. A can of soup here a summer sausage sandwich there......
Unfounded correlation.... Y2K never happened because a relative handful of people hoarded some supplies complete with disaster contingencies.
Hmm. I guess that means that when LCM was ousted in 2000 a void was created and that's the REAL reason 911 happened. Right?
No. But ironically about a week or two before 9/11, there was a live SNS teaching from HQ. The guy teaching used the World Trade Center as an example of having a strong foundation because the 1993 attack didn't completely destroy the buildings.
From time to time, we got up on what seemed an average day and...... nothing happened.
vpw and company then celebrated a great victory. They'd made up some horrible disaster
coming up. When it didn't happen, twi'ers stopped it from happening with their great
believing.
I always loved the "believing stopped the such and such" lines. I spent hundred of dollars on Y2K preparations. I spent countless hours as a fellowship coordinator harassing all the people in my fellowship to get their checklists completed. Heck, we even had an agreed upon meeting location out in the country at someone's house along with travel plans to get there safely when the melt down started. It took me half dozen trips getting all my stuff out to this persons storage shed in the weeks before new years eve. And what came of it? .....
nothing....nada....zip....
And of course Craig comes back with the lines that (to paraphrase) "all the preparation and believing defeated this attack of the adversary." and also "If we had not done all that work it would have happened."
It took me around six months to use all the damned supplies I had gathered. A can of soup here a summer sausage sandwich there......
Unfounded correlation.... Y2K never happened because a relative handful of people hoarded some supplies complete with disaster contingencies.
Time and again I am struck with flash back style memories of goof ball things I was exposed to in the way international...
Oh, the memories.....paranoia of a government takeover in 1976, Red Dawn, America Awakes, MAL-packs, secret locations, subverted constitution, seed men in every major denomination, anti-Semitism, U.S. fought on wrong side during WWII, cancer is a devil spirit, etc. etc.
This thread would be remiss to not mention wierwille's association with Liberty Lobby. Many years ago, a 7th corps girl and GS poster gave insight to wierwille's subscription to The Spotlight. A copy of this weekly newspaper was on a table in wierwille's office.
Here's from the page on the Liberty Lobby -- Click Here
"While Liberty Lobby was founded as a conservative political organization, Willis Carto was known to hold strongly anti-Semitic views, and to be a devotee of the writings of Francis Parker Yockey, who was one of a handful of esoteric post-WWII writers who revered Adolf Hitler. Yockey, writing under the pseudonym of Ulick Varange, wrote a book entitled Imperium, which Willis Carto adopted as his own guiding ideology.
Many critics, including disgruntled former Carto associates as well as the Anti-Defamation League, have noted that Willis Carto, more than anybody else, was responsible for keeping organized anti-Semitism alive as a viable political movement during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, when it was otherwise completely discredited."
"Liberty Lobby attempted to promote a public image of being a conservative anti-Communist group, along the lines of the John Birch Society, but while the John Birch Society rejected white supremacy and anti-Semitism, Liberty Lobby promoted them. Francis Parker Yockey's Imperium was republished by Willis Carto's Noontide Press, which also published a number of other books and pamphlets promoting a racialist and white supremacist world view, and Liberty Lobby in turn sold and promoted these books."
"In 1975, Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight, which ran news and opinion articles with a very populist and anti-establishment slant on a variety of subjects, but gave little indication of being extreme-right or neo-Nazi. However, The Spotlight, critics charged, was intended as a subtle recruiting tool for the extreme right, using populist-sounding articles to attract people from all points on the political spectrum including liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and special-interest articles to attract people interested in such subjects as alternative medicine, while the newspaper subtly incorporated anti-Semitic and white racialist undertones in its articles, and carried advertisements in the classified section for openly neo-Nazi groups and books. The Spotlight for a while became the most widely-read periodical on the right in the United States, with circulation peaking around 200,000 in the early 1980s. While circulation experienced a steady drop after that, it continued to be published until Liberty Lobby's demise in 2001."
You REALLY had to live through this period of twi to grasp the full impact of wierwille's association et al.
The reason I remember this so well is because I really just wanted them to shut up and let the documentary play.....it was really interesting. But no, blah, blah, blah....the devil threw a huge temper tantrum because VP filmed PFAL and the devil desperately needed all eyes elsewhere. The result was the turmoil of 1968. How frickin INSANE is that?
Speaking of insanity.....how about a certain someone who claimed to have met the Angel who was guardian of the East Coast, or how this same guy saved us all by stopping a terrible hurricane. More likely he was just trying to one up Gerald W's hurricane story ..... there was a huge power struggle between the two. What better way to one up someone than by stopping your own hurricane?
I look back now and I kind of shake my head....what do we do with the accompanying and inevitable embarrassment that comes with having taken these people seriously? It is no wonder hubby and I never tell people about our involvement with TWI.
Marian Keech (real name: Dorothy Martin) was the leader of a UFO cult in the 1950s. She claimed to get messages from extraterrestrials, known as The Guardians, through automatic writing. Like the Heaven's Gate folks forty years later, Keech and her followers, known as The Seekers or The Brotherhood of the Seven Rays, were waiting to be picked up by flying saucers. In Keech's prophecy, her group of eleven was to be saved just before the earth was to be destroyed by a massive flood on December 21, 1954. When it became evident that there would be no flood and the Guardians weren't stopping by to pick them up, Keech became elated. She said she'd just received a telepathic message from the Guardians saying that her group of believers had spread so much light with their unflagging faith that God had spared the world from the cataclysm (Levine 2003: 206).
More important, the Seekers didn't abandon her. Most became more devoted after the failed prophecy. (Only two left the cult when the world didn't end.) "Most disciples not only stayed but, having made that decision, were now even more convinced than before that Keech had been right all along....Being wrong turned them into true believers (ibid.)." Some people will go to bizarre lengths to avoid inconsistency between their cherished beliefs and the facts.
Me and the Mrs. do the same. It's amazing how you can manage to skip nearly 2 decades of one's life.
It is amazing how evasive we can be about that time....it is a good thing most people don't really ask too many probing questions. My favorite was the time we had a Sunday school block about cults and we covered TWI. That was really fun.
Spotlight is online now as American Free Press. Same B/S different decade.
As for Wierwille, Rosie has swept that so far under the rug I am glad it is seeing the light of day from time to time here on good ole GSC!
There are some things Rosie cannot sweep under the rug about the Wierwille years (ending in 1985 when he died) because too many of us know them and are speaking out. Anyonw interested in those years can find plenty about them here. And in books like Karl Kahler's and Kris Skegell's.
In the 1970s we used to say, "Don't keep the faith. Spread it." I say, "Don't keep TWI secrets. Tell them."
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I have mentioned this before but, my all time FAVORITE is when we had a super important limb wide meeting for Advanced Class grads...it was to break down the lyrics and video of "We Are the World".
A bunch of high profile people get together to spotlight a famine.....offer aid, raise money for FOOD for starving people...and somehow it is the devil's handiwork.
Classic
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OMG!!!! That's rich. I would like to present the following award to you ex-limb coordinator.
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Getting reamed for not believing to have good weather was really stupid. They need to watch Bruce Almighty to see what happened when he moved the moon.
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From time to time, we got up on what seemed an average day and...... nothing happened.
vpw and company then celebrated a great victory. They'd made up some horrible disaster
coming up. When it didn't happen, twi'ers stopped it from happening with their great
believing.
www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/topic/148-vpw-superman-green-lantern/
"I was told, back in 1989, one of the reasons there were
problems after vpw's death was that, as a direct result of
his death,
"that huge network of believing vanished."
That is, an ex-corpse person, who was in "active rebellion"
against twi's draconian statements in 1989, had said that
during vpw's life, his believing, and his believing ALONE,
acted like a huge net over the entire USA, thwarting the
devil like some huge construct of Green Lantern's ring.
Once vpw died, it vanished, forcing the rest of us mortals to
deal with things as best we could."
================================
"In 1976 I attended my first ROA's in Sydney Ohio. I remember the WOW's with whom we travelled saying that VP does not sleep during this whole entire event. He was so 'spiritually' wired that he was awake for the whole 4 days, praying and teaching and meeting needs..."
==================================
"It was TWI that caused the fall if the Soviet Union. If it had not been for Wierwille's stand on the Word countless countries would have fallen to communism, California would have slipped off into the Pacific Ocean, and we would all now be speaking Russian..."
==================================
"When Squeaky From went to shoot the President and her gun did not fire, it was because VP had the foresight to send WOW's there that day. Because of the WOW's presence, under the direction of VP, our President was saved."
================================
"God told VP to put WOW's on the San Andres fault in California. This prevented the HUGE earthquake which otherwise would have happened.
I recall someone in CA said something bad about TWI and VP said, "I should just take my WOW's off the fault and see what happens to them."
====================================
"Did you know that TWI prevented the certain overthrow of the USA by all the witnessing we did and by the production and promotion of America Awakes? It was all going to happen by the bi-centennial in 1976. Heck, I still have my copy of "The Secret new Constitution" which had been drafted by the evil powers, the Catholic church being foremost among them! America Awakes drove back the spirit power. Our country was saved! Thank God all those WOW's signed up. Just in the nick of time. Their door to door and street witnessing changed destiny!
A more recent example in TWI II was Y2K. Quote from LCM and other leaders: "It was the preparation on the household of The Way that kept anything from happening."
=============================
I recall them discussing that Richard Nixon had a plan to eliminate states and instead divide the country into regions. It was all in preperation of the "take over".
I remember storing food in the early 70's when I was frightened of a "take over" the first time by TWI.
And yes we all stood on the WORD and stopped the evil!
============================
What about the story that it was a Corps Prayer meeting lead by VP that resulted in the death of Vice President Nelson Rockefeller. The story goes that he was the lead conspirator in the drive to replace the Constitution and that the prayers of VP and the Corps (Superman and the Justic League) brought the hand of the Lord down upon him.
===========================
This one isn't in the Superhero category, but I remember being told that VP prayed for each W.O.W. Ambassador each day. The year I went, there were over 3,000! I remember wondering how the heck he could find time to pray for 3,000 individuals each day. It was because he was SUPERspiritual, no doubt.
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Hmm. I guess that means that when LCM was ousted in 2000 a void was created and that's the REAL reason 911 happened. Right?
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A Crack in Time.......our version was complete with commentary about how the world went crazy because VP had PFAL? Please please tell me I am not the only one who remembers this great spiritual insight from the Advanced Class? I paid very hard earned money to learn this.
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geisha.....you are NOT crazy.
I remember this too.
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I always loved the "believing stopped the such and such" lines. I spent hundred of dollars on Y2K preparations. I spent countless hours as a fellowship coordinator harassing all the people in my fellowship to get their checklists completed. Heck, we even had an agreed upon meeting location out in the country at someone's house along with travel plans to get there safely when the melt down started. It took me half dozen trips getting all my stuff out to this persons storage shed in the weeks before new years eve. And what came of it? .....
nothing....nada....zip....
And of course Craig comes back with the lines that (to paraphrase) "all the preparation and believing defeated this attack of the adversary." and also "If we had not done all that work it would have happened."
It took me around six months to use all the damned supplies I had gathered. A can of soup here a summer sausage sandwich there......
Unfounded correlation.... Y2K never happened because a relative handful of people hoarded some supplies complete with disaster contingencies.
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No. But ironically about a week or two before 9/11, there was a live SNS teaching from HQ. The guy teaching used the World Trade Center as an example of having a strong foundation because the 1993 attack didn't completely destroy the buildings.
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Oh, the memories.....paranoia of a government takeover in 1976, Red Dawn, America Awakes, MAL-packs, secret locations, subverted constitution, seed men in every major denomination, anti-Semitism, U.S. fought on wrong side during WWII, cancer is a devil spirit, etc. etc.
This thread would be remiss to not mention wierwille's association with Liberty Lobby. Many years ago, a 7th corps girl and GS poster gave insight to wierwille's subscription to The Spotlight. A copy of this weekly newspaper was on a table in wierwille's office.
Here's from the page on the Liberty Lobby -- Click Here
"While Liberty Lobby was founded as a conservative political organization, Willis Carto was known to hold strongly anti-Semitic views, and to be a devotee of the writings of Francis Parker Yockey, who was one of a handful of esoteric post-WWII writers who revered Adolf Hitler. Yockey, writing under the pseudonym of Ulick Varange, wrote a book entitled Imperium, which Willis Carto adopted as his own guiding ideology.
Many critics, including disgruntled former Carto associates as well as the Anti-Defamation League, have noted that Willis Carto, more than anybody else, was responsible for keeping organized anti-Semitism alive as a viable political movement during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s, when it was otherwise completely discredited."
"Liberty Lobby attempted to promote a public image of being a conservative anti-Communist group, along the lines of the John Birch Society, but while the John Birch Society rejected white supremacy and anti-Semitism, Liberty Lobby promoted them. Francis Parker Yockey's Imperium was republished by Willis Carto's Noontide Press, which also published a number of other books and pamphlets promoting a racialist and white supremacist world view, and Liberty Lobby in turn sold and promoted these books."
"In 1975, Liberty Lobby began publishing a weekly newspaper called The Spotlight, which ran news and opinion articles with a very populist and anti-establishment slant on a variety of subjects, but gave little indication of being extreme-right or neo-Nazi. However, The Spotlight, critics charged, was intended as a subtle recruiting tool for the extreme right, using populist-sounding articles to attract people from all points on the political spectrum including liberals, moderates, and conservatives, and special-interest articles to attract people interested in such subjects as alternative medicine, while the newspaper subtly incorporated anti-Semitic and white racialist undertones in its articles, and carried advertisements in the classified section for openly neo-Nazi groups and books. The Spotlight for a while became the most widely-read periodical on the right in the United States, with circulation peaking around 200,000 in the early 1980s. While circulation experienced a steady drop after that, it continued to be published until Liberty Lobby's demise in 2001."
You REALLY had to live through this period of twi to grasp the full impact of wierwille's association et al.
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Spotlight is online now as American Free Press. Same B/S different decade.
As for Wierwille, Rosie has swept that so far under the rug I am glad it is seeing the light of day from time to time here on good ole GSC!
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Phew!
The reason I remember this so well is because I really just wanted them to shut up and let the documentary play.....it was really interesting. But no, blah, blah, blah....the devil threw a huge temper tantrum because VP filmed PFAL and the devil desperately needed all eyes elsewhere. The result was the turmoil of 1968. How frickin INSANE is that?
Speaking of insanity.....how about a certain someone who claimed to have met the Angel who was guardian of the East Coast, or how this same guy saved us all by stopping a terrible hurricane. More likely he was just trying to one up Gerald W's hurricane story ..... there was a huge power struggle between the two. What better way to one up someone than by stopping your own hurricane?
I look back now and I kind of shake my head....what do we do with the accompanying and inevitable embarrassment that comes with having taken these people seriously? It is no wonder hubby and I never tell people about our involvement with TWI.
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Marian Keech (real name: Dorothy Martin) was the leader of a UFO cult in the 1950s. She claimed to get messages from extraterrestrials, known as The Guardians, through automatic writing. Like the Heaven's Gate folks forty years later, Keech and her followers, known as The Seekers or The Brotherhood of the Seven Rays, were waiting to be picked up by flying saucers. In Keech's prophecy, her group of eleven was to be saved just before the earth was to be destroyed by a massive flood on December 21, 1954. When it became evident that there would be no flood and the Guardians weren't stopping by to pick them up, Keech became elated. She said she'd just received a telepathic message from the Guardians saying that her group of believers had spread so much light with their unflagging faith that God had spared the world from the cataclysm (Levine 2003: 206).
More important, the Seekers didn't abandon her. Most became more devoted after the failed prophecy. (Only two left the cult when the world didn't end.) "Most disciples not only stayed but, having made that decision, were now even more convinced than before that Keech had been right all along....Being wrong turned them into true believers (ibid.)." Some people will go to bizarre lengths to avoid inconsistency between their cherished beliefs and the facts.
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Me and the Mrs. do the same. It's amazing how you can manage to skip nearly 2 decades of one's life.
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It is amazing how evasive we can be about that time....it is a good thing most people don't really ask too many probing questions. My favorite was the time we had a Sunday school block about cults and we covered TWI. That was really fun.
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Good topic OldSkool
Yes it's amazing how us wayfers could stop bad things from happening.Looking back I am discusted with how arrogant I was when with twi.
It was like God or anyone that believed in God outside of twi mattered.
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There are some things Rosie cannot sweep under the rug about the Wierwille years (ending in 1985 when he died) because too many of us know them and are speaking out. Anyonw interested in those years can find plenty about them here. And in books like Karl Kahler's and Kris Skegell's.
In the 1970s we used to say, "Don't keep the faith. Spread it." I say, "Don't keep TWI secrets. Tell them."
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