Early on, Wierwille related how, when he was at a low point in his work as a minister,, he asked/told God to give him a sign or he would quit. The result, of course , is the amazing "snow on the gas pumps" story. Later (Advanced Class, maybe?) Wierwille categorically states that you can't ask/tell God to give you a sign. He uses scriptures, of course, to "validate" his point....."It's like a black fly in your chardonnay bowl of familia."
Wierwille talks about the importance of having needs and wants parallel, yet, he gets virtually anything he "wants" though he actually "needs" very little of it. (Bikes, private jet, classic cars, private chalet, etc.)
Talks about how we need not have any fear because of the Christ in us....then surrounds himself with attack dogs, armed guards and rule-enforcement thugs.
I think maybe Dilemma is Conundrum's not so distant cousin.
Wierwille acquires a small fleet of vehicles to help him "move the word" but somehow can't seem to (not even once) visit the FellowLaborers, who are only an hour and a half away from HQ.
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I see the problem as a worldview difference. There's people who've told themselves the following: "I had good times, learned good Bible, and saw some results in my life as a result of my time in twi.
WordWolf
I see the problem as a worldview difference. There's people who've told themselves the following:
"I had good times, learned good Bible, and saw some results in my life as a result of my time in twi.
Therefore,
I have to buy into everything vpw said no matter how ridiculous, and defend every claim of his
no matter how ridiculous, and I am incapable of ever improving my understanding of the Bible,
God, Christ, or Christianity because that's not how we did it when I was young and impressionable.
Besides, vpw was legitimate because when he was in public, he was a persuasive speaker."
They refuse to grow out of their spiritual adolescence. They had some good times, learned some
things, and then refuse to grow past them. The conundrum is confusing all the individual things
for one indivisible thing, so that ONE thing being true means ALL of them are true no matter
how silly.
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WW....good points.
Yeah, it was confusing AND needed to be accepted in whole....ALL of pfal needed to be accepted!
All of the classes had the wierwille stamp-of-approval. All of corps "training" was beneficial
for spiritual maturity. ALL of wierwille's directives were "of God."
The conundrum?.......wasn't pfal supposed to help us SEPARATE truth from error?
The conundrum?.......don't the scriptures instruct us to SEARCH the scriptures to validate truth?
The conundrum?.......when leadership is at cross-purposes to scripture, who mediates the conflict?
The conundrum?.......when the "office of a bishop" is violated by the twi-president, then what?
The conundrum?.......how do you cleanse a ministry that is being ruled by seductive leaders?
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Just need a big enough fire hose..
Does that match Webster's definition number one?
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Early on, Wierwille related how, when he was at a low point in his work as a minister,, he asked/told God to give him a sign or he would quit. The result, of course , is the amazing "snow on the gas pumps" story. Later (Advanced Class, maybe?) Wierwille categorically states that you can't ask/tell God to give you a sign. He uses scriptures, of course, to "validate" his point....."It's like a black fly in your chardonnay bowl of familia."
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Another conundrum........advanced class teaching that cancer is a devil spirit.
Then, years later.......wierwille dies of cancer.
Puzzling......ain't it?
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Conundrum:
Wierwille talks about the impossibility of counterfeiting tongues and then describes how he, himself, had counterfeited tongues.
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Wierwille talks about the importance of having needs and wants parallel, yet, he gets virtually anything he "wants" though he actually "needs" very little of it. (Bikes, private jet, classic cars, private chalet, etc.)
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Here's the thing about a conundrum........when you find one, you face another one.
In that, how far and how deep do you search to solve the puzzling item? If cancer
is NOT caused by a devil spirit, WHAT ELSE DID WIERWILLE TEACH IN THE ADV. CLASS
that is not a devil spirit. Then....if wierwille was wrong here, where else?
See the conundrum?........and the follow-up conundrums?
It's difficult to imagine that wierwille/twi having set out on such "spiritual high ground"
would have such destructive ends to many who followed down its pathways. Therefore, the
conundrum? The questions start surfacing......more and more. WHEN did it deviate from
"the truth?" WHERE did twi teachings divert from the scriptures? HOW LONG has this
seduction been going on? WHY didn't "men of God" speak up as the watchmen on the walls?
Once a conundrum starts.......its hard to stop the beating of the conunDRUM.
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Talks about how we need not have any fear because of the Christ in us....then surrounds himself with attack dogs, armed guards and rule-enforcement thugs.
I think maybe Dilemma is Conundrum's not so distant cousin.
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Another similar conundrum:
Wierwille demonstrates speaking in tongues in pfal and how it's a message from or for God. And, further, he explains
that its a distinct language glorifying God.......yet, wierwille's "tongue" was unusually repetitive.
Lo Shanta Malikaseto Lo Shanti.......Lo Shanta Malikaseto Lo Shanto
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Says the spirit inside us is perfect.... but...... we'll have to speak in tongues (much) to make it "perfecter".
Why is it so hard to believe positively FOR something, when even the slightest of fears can bring it into fruition?
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Corps Training Conundrum:
Wierwille sits up front sipping his drambuie coffee and chain smoking
while he teaches the corps about strict discipline.
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Criticizes the church for following rituals and then promotes elaborate "events" that involve elaborate robes, mantles and religious apparel
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Law of Believing Conundrum:
Weather.....why didn't wierwille believe for nice weather every day?
Why were corps yelled at for not keeping the rain away from corps week?
Healing.....why didn't wierwille believe to overcome his health issues?
Why were staff/corps booted from hq for having health problems?
Outreach....why didn't wierwille believe for pfal classes to run everywhere?
Why were class instructors reprimanded when some students exited pfal?
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Why were we expected to live in communes and subsist on pluralities when he....Well, you know what he did.
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Adultery Conundrum:
Wierwille teaches Martindale that he needs to "loosen up" and have plenty of sex
IF he is to become an effective spiritual man of God......YET, if this "doctrine"
was SO GREAT, why wasn't it taught to all the corps men?
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WOW training (1976?)
Wierwille tells new recruits..."Keep it in your pants!"
Meanwhile, back at the farm....
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According to Webster......conundrum is 1) a riddle whose answer contains a pun
To me, it's difficult to conceptualize how a ministry that, supposedly, was teaching
truth to set men free.......ended up enslaving those who never missed a teaching.
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Wierwille acquires a small fleet of vehicles to help him "move the word" but somehow can't seem to (not even once) visit the FellowLaborers, who are only an hour and a half away from HQ.
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More Abundant Life Conundrum:
Wierwille states in pfal that when he "looked around" he saw more non-Christians
living the more abundant life that the Christians......YET, he later emphasizes
that this "abundance" is spiritual in nature.
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Clearly, he used the promise of material abundance to woo new class recruits....
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Repetitive Conundrum:
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again
and expecting different results......YET, even though twi's programs have
crashed and burned, they keep repetitively trudging in dismal failure.
Manifestations Conundrum:
Teach nine manifestations of the spirit and that the elite operate
at the high levels......YET, no one seems to see those "phantom six"
manifestations that demonstrate that God's power is present.
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Vehemently promoted abundant sharing but always managed to find himself on the receiving end.
You need "all 9 all the time" to live the abundant life but those non-Christians in session one were doing just fine without them....go figure.
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See.....that's the problem with conundrums.
Once you've spotted one.........the herd runs over you!
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