And if they got them young enough - around 18 ish - their brains aren't fully formed....so they cannot think critically. That comes between 22 - 25.
I vividly remember wierwille's disdain for the local German community around New Knoxville who rejected his teachings and pflaugh wonder class. And, even though some came to check it out........very few stayed.
Oh, sure.....there were a few long-timers who were highlighted for their "stand," but countless others who were highlighted and VANISHED. Even the pfal class spotlighted notables like Peter J. W@de, Ros@lind R!nker, Dr. H1ggins........and, poof!! they disappear.
The pockets of youth.....in California, New York, North Carolina, Kansas....and the summercamps to reel them in. Then, the ambassadors of youth, like Donnie F. and Hefn3r and Do0p......were a magnet for others.
Year after year, "Christian Ediquette and Spiritual Protocol"......or should I simply say TWI Mandates.......eroded individual sovereignty to twi-disciples.
Take class. Re-take class. Take all classes. Repeat process.
Stand. Sit. Shut-up. Don't Ask. Run. Jump. Thru. Hoops. Repeat.
At the time in my life that I should have been developing self confidence, autonomy, independence, and a sense of self worth my family got involved in twi. I have had to fight since leaving to develop those qualities in myself. My entire identity and reality was all centered around how I was in relation to "The Household of God ™.". I never developed individual sovereignty at the time of life most normal people develop it.
I never developed individual sovereignty at the time of life most normal people develop it.
Same here. I got involved with da cornfield cult in my early 20s. Needless to say leaving in my late 30s left me bouncing around quite a bit. I have stabilized somewhat since leaving and have new friends and new direction in life that I am happy with at the moment. I will say that my stint with TWI has left me very wary of organized religion. It will take some time before I become involved with any Christian group.
Old school, I think many of us feel like that. And that is a shame.
Of course our opinions change as we grow....and at the moment, I don't think it matters to God what church we associate ourselves with, it, indeed we do gravitate to one special church. It's the life that we live, the love that we live and the way we live to glorify Him that's important.
If you don't mind me adding a comment: even if the life, the love, the way is SECULAR.
TWI. in its spiritual immaturity, has often time chosen to disdain the secular. You know, academic pursuits.. math, chemistry, physics, psychology..
Or God forbid we should feed the hungry, help the poor, etc. I mean after all - The poor you always have with you. We could probably start a thread on TWI excuses for not helping those in need.
If Ham is observing the "rules" of walking in love as he teaches and disciplines his class in mathematics, he's teaching in a Godly way. He's working heartily unto the lord, showing no preference to anyone, encouraging and lifting up the weaker students and so on.....he is working in his profession in a Godly way. That's what God expects. We cannot all sit around thumping bibles all day....we need to work. Paul worked, Jesus worked. They had secular jobs.
Even the most-honorable-and-highly-elevated Corps were all working secular jobs.....putting out a magazine....food preparation, motor pool, housekeeping etc. Was vacuuming the auditorium and different from vacuuming ay home? I don't think so....a carpet is a carpet is a carpet.
If Ham is observing the "rules" of walking in love as he teaches and disciplines his class in mathematics, he's teaching in a Godly way. He's working heartily unto the lord, showing no preference to anyone, encouraging and lifting up the weaker students and so on.....he is working in his profession in a Godly way. That's what God expects. We cannot all sit around thumping bibles all day....we need to work. Paul worked, Jesus worked. They had secular jobs.
Even the most-honorable-and-highly-elevated Corps were all working secular jobs.....putting out a magazine....food preparation, motor pool, housekeeping etc. Was vacuuming the auditorium and different from vacuuming ay home? I don't think so....a carpet is a carpet is a carpet.
krys.....guess I should have added a sarc tag on my comment.
Sarcastically, twi leadership would put nearly everything in the context of shunning all things secular. In twisting scripture, all pursuits had to be according to their beady-eyed perception....i.e. the "spiritually-mature" were to be full-time employees for twi.
After Craig was ousted Rosalie stopped discouraging people who worked at HQ and were going to college at night. I guess they figured that the education was coming right back into HQ. However, I can what had not changed was the education and subsequent potential career was to stay in the back seat when it came to working at HQ or moving on the field. That has never changed to my knowledge.
Sometimes people get so set in their ways that they refuse to admit there is something better that they don't know about. I think that's the manner in which twi thinks and they are missing a huge boat because a little modernization might be helpful.
Good evening, Mr. Linder! Hope you had a good day!
Sometimes people get so set in their ways that they refuse to admit there is something better that they don't know about. I think that's the manner in which twi thinks and they are missing a huge boat because a little modernization might be helpful.
Good evening, Mr. Linder! Hope you had a good day!
hope selling real estate is working for you( to Mr. Linder)
Or God forbid we should feed the hungry, help the poor, etc. I mean after all - The poor you always have with you. We could probably start a thread on TWI excuses for not helping those in need.
They conveniently don't read that quote from Mark 14:7
Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
They conveniently don't read that quote from Mark 14:7
Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
They conveniently are selective in MANY areas.
When I exited twi and examined wierwille's "research" (cough, cough)....more and more questions surfaced. Conveniently, wierwille side-steps past many aspects of family, child-rearing, individual strength, etc......all towards the cult is the epicenter of doing God's will.
Hell's Bells.....many have come forward and testified how the "man of God" privately taught the corps girls that "servicing the mog" was DOING GOD'S WILL!!! Yeah, sex with wierwille was a godly service....sick.
Talk about the VIOLATION OF INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY!!!
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And if they got them young enough - around 18 ish - their brains aren't fully formed....so they cannot think critically. That comes between 22 - 25.
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I vividly remember wierwille's disdain for the local German community around New Knoxville who rejected his teachings and pflaugh wonder class. And, even though some came to check it out........very few stayed.
Oh, sure.....there were a few long-timers who were highlighted for their "stand," but countless others who were highlighted and VANISHED. Even the pfal class spotlighted notables like Peter J. W@de, Ros@lind R!nker, Dr. H1ggins........and, poof!! they disappear.
The pockets of youth.....in California, New York, North Carolina, Kansas....and the summercamps to reel them in. Then, the ambassadors of youth, like Donnie F. and Hefn3r and Do0p......were a magnet for others.
Year after year, "Christian Ediquette and Spiritual Protocol"......or should I simply say TWI Mandates.......eroded individual sovereignty to twi-disciples.
Take class. Re-take class. Take all classes. Repeat process.
Stand. Sit. Shut-up. Don't Ask. Run. Jump. Thru. Hoops. Repeat.
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At the time in my life that I should have been developing self confidence, autonomy, independence, and a sense of self worth my family got involved in twi. I have had to fight since leaving to develop those qualities in myself. My entire identity and reality was all centered around how I was in relation to "The Household of God ™.". I never developed individual sovereignty at the time of life most normal people develop it.
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Same here. I got involved with da cornfield cult in my early 20s. Needless to say leaving in my late 30s left me bouncing around quite a bit. I have stabilized somewhat since leaving and have new friends and new direction in life that I am happy with at the moment. I will say that my stint with TWI has left me very wary of organized religion. It will take some time before I become involved with any Christian group.
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Old school, I think many of us feel like that. And that is a shame.
Of course our opinions change as we grow....and at the moment, I don't think it matters to God what church we associate ourselves with, it, indeed we do gravitate to one special church. It's the life that we live, the love that we live and the way we live to glorify Him that's important.
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I can work with that. Thanks for the encouragement.
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If you don't mind me adding a comment: even if the life, the love, the way is SECULAR.
TWI. in its spiritual immaturity, has often time chosen to disdain the secular. You know, academic pursuits.. math, chemistry, physics, psychology..
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whadda you need all that when one can sell pfal..
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Or God forbid we should feed the hungry, help the poor, etc. I mean after all - The poor you always have with you. We could probably start a thread on TWI excuses for not helping those in need.
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Well...secular pursuits and academic pursuits are fine IF you're the cult leader or tyrant.
Hence....Doctor wierwille.
See......"It's good for ME, but not for THEE."
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yep.
If I ever end up with decent employment, the local soup kitchen will get to serve a few better meals..
I'll cook them myself if I have to..
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I disagree about that Skyrider.
If Ham is observing the "rules" of walking in love as he teaches and disciplines his class in mathematics, he's teaching in a Godly way. He's working heartily unto the lord, showing no preference to anyone, encouraging and lifting up the weaker students and so on.....he is working in his profession in a Godly way. That's what God expects. We cannot all sit around thumping bibles all day....we need to work. Paul worked, Jesus worked. They had secular jobs.
Even the most-honorable-and-highly-elevated Corps were all working secular jobs.....putting out a magazine....food preparation, motor pool, housekeeping etc. Was vacuuming the auditorium and different from vacuuming ay home? I don't think so....a carpet is a carpet is a carpet.
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never even realized that krysie
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krys.....guess I should have added a sarc tag on my comment.
Sarcastically, twi leadership would put nearly everything in the context of shunning all things secular. In twisting scripture, all pursuits had to be according to their beady-eyed perception....i.e. the "spiritually-mature" were to be full-time employees for twi.
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agreed.....we're on the same page Skyrider :)
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After Craig was ousted Rosalie stopped discouraging people who worked at HQ and were going to college at night. I guess they figured that the education was coming right back into HQ. However, I can what had not changed was the education and subsequent potential career was to stay in the back seat when it came to working at HQ or moving on the field. That has never changed to my knowledge.
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Sometimes people get so set in their ways that they refuse to admit there is something better that they don't know about. I think that's the manner in which twi thinks and they are missing a huge boat because a little modernization might be helpful.
Good evening, Mr. Linder! Hope you had a good day!
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Been watching Singing Ladies videos again, have we?
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Oh, just for old time sake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VPcPCwK_G0
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Well - - I think he still has to go through these posts, so why not greet the gentleman and wish him a good day. He's only human!
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Or at least quasi-human.
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hope selling real estate is working for you( to Mr. Linder)
NOOOO!!!
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They conveniently don't read that quote from Mark 14:7
Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
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They conveniently are selective in MANY areas.
When I exited twi and examined wierwille's "research" (cough, cough)....more and more questions surfaced. Conveniently, wierwille side-steps past many aspects of family, child-rearing, individual strength, etc......all towards the cult is the epicenter of doing God's will.
Hell's Bells.....many have come forward and testified how the "man of God" privately taught the corps girls that "servicing the mog" was DOING GOD'S WILL!!! Yeah, sex with wierwille was a godly service....sick.
Talk about the VIOLATION OF INDIVIDUAL SOVEREIGNTY!!!
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