Just curious. Before Opera Buff rebuffs me for the scientific inaccuracy of on-line poles..
maybe I'm just trying to figure out how uneducated the average wayfer really was..
current innies. You may want to look around and ask the same question..
The instructions for the pole. It is (or was) you level of education during your twi experience.
So, if you started as a student and were still involved when you got your degree, or went back after getting your degree, then that degree would count?
Religious Authorization - A bona fide religious postsecondary educational institution which is exempt from property taxation under the laws of this state and whose degrees or diplomas have no state recognition.
The degrees issued by the way international through Camp Gunnison Inc. are WORTHLESS.
But the way international claim they are accredited with degree granting status. What a nasty twist of words they use.
Granting a roll of toilet paper would be more useful.
But the way international claim they are accredited with degree granting status.
Is this current? Back in the day I heard that all corps grads diplomas were from Rome City because they couldn't get degree granting status from Emporia. Interestingly, Mark Olthouse, Harm's brother, got a bachelor's degree from Calvin College, a very respected school in Grand Rapids, MI. He took some greek classes from TWI and Calvin College at first balked at giving him the degree, but he demanded it and they gave it to him.
But the way international claim they are accredited with degree granting status.
Is this current? Back in the day I heard that all corps grads diplomas were from Rome City because they couldn't get degree granting status from Emporia. Interestingly, Mark Olthouse, Harm's brother, got a bachelor's degree from Calvin College, a very respected school in Grand Rapids, MI. He took some greek classes from TWI and Calvin College at first balked at giving him the degree, but he demanded it and they gave it to him.
I have an associates degree, but the deciding not to go had nothing to do with TWI. I was a colledge wow taking a two year program, finished the program and got my dream job. I did start going after a Bachelor's but they kept moving me up at work, and I love what I do.. I decided why spend the money.
I dont have a degree in anything. Ive read a lot and learned my trade well in an old fashioned apprenticeship system which serves me very well.
I would have been financially way ahead of where I am now if it wasnt for a 20 year bump in the road, and I could have developed much better along some important lines if my focus wasnt distracted.
Thankfully I never got too far away from my craft when various wayfers were urging me to quit and I was wasting years of my time.
quote: so, what "power" does their certificate imbue one with?
Education is just a tool. It is not a guarantee of virtue. What does a Harvard degree imbue one with? You could be Al Gore, or you could be Ted Kaszinski (sp) (the unabomber). Neither of those 2 is enviable to me.
quote: so, what "power" does their certificate imbue one with?
Education is just a tool. It is not a guarantee of virtue. What does a Harvard degree imbue one with? You could be Al Gore, or you could be Ted Kaszinski (sp) (the unabomber). Neither of those 2 is enviable to me.
John, what is in question here is the matter of "authenticity". A degree from Harvard is an "authentic" degree. You are correct is stating it is the responsibility of the degree holder to produce something meaningful, not the degree, itself. The education required to obtain it, however, is often instrumental in the holder's level of success. On the other hand, a degree from TWI is not "authentic".It's not based on obtaining relevant, useful information. So, if the holder of a "bogus" degree produces something meaningful, it is likely to be in spite of the degree, not because of it.
to add...many top graduates with "authentic" degrees from world-class institutions are doing exactly what they were taught...and the whole world is suffering for it.
In economics, for example. And agriculture. Medicine. The list goes on.
Struggling to cram conventional remedies down the throat of post-conventional scenarios.
"all the kings horses and all the kings men..."
Penny-wise...dollar stupid.
...
edited to add...
was born into a long line of working class military industrial wage slaves.
"higher education" was not in my vocabulary or on my map before twi.
so the promise and illusion of a diverse and practical education in twi and the way corps helped draw me in.
in the years since twi i have sought to acquire the knowledge and skills i felt are most relevant and useful in 3rd-world America at the dawn of the 21st century.
like twi's programs, conventional "higher education" failed to convince.
so i dove into post-conventional forms of psychology, hospice, and gardening...so not just gardening, but regenerative forms of "agriculture"...the form that comes after the land has been desertified and poisoned.
sometimes, one generation's epic "success" is another's epic failure.
The greatest holes in my brain were from academic education intellectualism with no God at the center to hold things together. Like the saying, "If you don't stand for the Lord you'll fall for anything." I had fallen for a lot of things, and it was only the miracle of healing to my brain that I could know the Lord. I come from a family of intellectuals. It's only the miracle of the Lord by the hand of Del Duncan that I came to know the Lord.
started college when I got involved with TWI, took nearly 10 years to get a BA in Music in 1982, got a 2 yr.certificate in Sacred Music(cont. ed.) but could have gotten a MM in organ if not derailed by Wierwille's fantasy, plus getting married and having 2 or 3 kids, and possible granchildren by now.
I'm a self-taught engineer and inventor. I don't believe TWI would have made much difference in my education. I just enjoyed working so much I never found the motivation to go to school. I surely can't complain, I have most everything I might want, and a business that will support me and keep me active in my 60's and 70's.
In a sense I am too. that is a self-taught engineer.
I'm supposed to be an electronics "expert". That was from the mouth of a retired electronics specialist (don't know if that is the accurate name of his title) who served on a nuclear submarine..
I could still draw the schematic of a hartley, or colpitts oscillator.. or easily recognize it.
one is because of a tapped coil for feedback, the other is for a tap between series capacitors for the same feedback..
does anybody even know what crystals are nowadays?
Then there are years of work in consumer electronics. Computers.. hardware, software..
If I didn't go back to school. I would today be unemployable..
With a Bachellors in mostly applied mathematics, sylvan learning was *almost* interested in me, to tutor students..
interesting.
With *almost* a Master's.. the local community college would turn me loose on how many students..
I am four credits away.
what I would really like to do at this community college.. not just teach math, but as faculty, support some kind of amateur radio club..
it takes faculty backing to do something like this, and this local college DEFINITELY is interested in technology. Even old technology, that is relevant..
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So, if you started as a student and were still involved when you got your degree, or went back after getting your degree, then that degree would count?
(I'm not a pole.)
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Had a High School Diploma when I got in. Got an Associate of Applied Science while still involved.
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I think the following link says it all. Be sure to scroll down to see Camp Gunnison Inc.
http://highered.colorado.gov/Academics/Colleges/privateaccredited.asp
And just to be sure
The degrees issued by the way international through Camp Gunnison Inc. are WORTHLESS.
But the way international claim they are accredited with degree granting status. What a nasty twist of words they use.
Granting a roll of toilet paper would be more useful.
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But the way international claim they are accredited with degree granting status.
Is this current? Back in the day I heard that all corps grads diplomas were from Rome City because they couldn't get degree granting status from Emporia. Interestingly, Mark Olthouse, Harm's brother, got a bachelor's degree from Calvin College, a very respected school in Grand Rapids, MI. He took some greek classes from TWI and Calvin College at first balked at giving him the degree, but he demanded it and they gave it to him.
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Yes, current.
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so, what "power" does their certificate imbue one with?
I have one degree and almost another that implies that I have a significant understanding of mathematics, Physics, Chemistry and computer science..
what does theirs imply?
believe me, I'm thankful for what I have.
I have.. the promise of a *real* job this fall..
Well. I just have to somehow be able to live through the summer.
anybody here want, or need to adopt a 54 year college student?
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for once I was right..
any other then present option, and I'd be jobless.. and unemployable.
even if I don't complete the requirements for the degree this summer..
I will be only one credit away.
I am gambling, heavily.
That this country wants to rebuild..
we have how many veterans coming back from war..
they will need math proficiency..
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Only the promise that you have a credible degree.
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I have an associates degree, but the deciding not to go had nothing to do with TWI. I was a colledge wow taking a two year program, finished the program and got my dream job. I did start going after a Bachelor's but they kept moving me up at work, and I love what I do.. I decided why spend the money.
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I dont have a degree in anything. Ive read a lot and learned my trade well in an old fashioned apprenticeship system which serves me very well.
I would have been financially way ahead of where I am now if it wasnt for a 20 year bump in the road, and I could have developed much better along some important lines if my focus wasnt distracted.
Thankfully I never got too far away from my craft when various wayfers were urging me to quit and I was wasting years of my time.
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quote: so, what "power" does their certificate imbue one with?
Education is just a tool. It is not a guarantee of virtue. What does a Harvard degree imbue one with? You could be Al Gore, or you could be Ted Kaszinski (sp) (the unabomber). Neither of those 2 is enviable to me.
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John, what is in question here is the matter of "authenticity". A degree from Harvard is an "authentic" degree. You are correct is stating it is the responsibility of the degree holder to produce something meaningful, not the degree, itself. The education required to obtain it, however, is often instrumental in the holder's level of success. On the other hand, a degree from TWI is not "authentic".It's not based on obtaining relevant, useful information. So, if the holder of a "bogus" degree produces something meaningful, it is likely to be in spite of the degree, not because of it.
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to add...many top graduates with "authentic" degrees from world-class institutions are doing exactly what they were taught...and the whole world is suffering for it.
In economics, for example. And agriculture. Medicine. The list goes on.
Struggling to cram conventional remedies down the throat of post-conventional scenarios.
"all the kings horses and all the kings men..."
Penny-wise...dollar stupid.
...
edited to add...
was born into a long line of working class military industrial wage slaves.
"higher education" was not in my vocabulary or on my map before twi.
so the promise and illusion of a diverse and practical education in twi and the way corps helped draw me in.
in the years since twi i have sought to acquire the knowledge and skills i felt are most relevant and useful in 3rd-world America at the dawn of the 21st century.
like twi's programs, conventional "higher education" failed to convince.
so i dove into post-conventional forms of psychology, hospice, and gardening...so not just gardening, but regenerative forms of "agriculture"...the form that comes after the land has been desertified and poisoned.
sometimes, one generation's epic "success" is another's epic failure.
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The greatest holes in my brain were from academic education intellectualism with no God at the center to hold things together. Like the saying, "If you don't stand for the Lord you'll fall for anything." I had fallen for a lot of things, and it was only the miracle of healing to my brain that I could know the Lord. I come from a family of intellectuals. It's only the miracle of the Lord by the hand of Del Duncan that I came to know the Lord.
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School of hard knocks...After almost 21 years,I am skilled labor,jack of all trades,
hey! It has a pension and a 401k.Can retire in 3 and a half years.You never stop learning.
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Ham
Retire? In 3 and 1/2 years?
You are lucky, friend..
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waysider
What is this "retire" you speak of?
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Getting paid for not working "there"anymore.
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started college when I got involved with TWI, took nearly 10 years to get a BA in Music in 1982, got a 2 yr.certificate in Sacred Music(cont. ed.) but could have gotten a MM in organ if not derailed by Wierwille's fantasy, plus getting married and having 2 or 3 kids, and possible granchildren by now.
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Thanks,Awhole lotta overtime and a lot of shift work."More than a job".
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I'm a self-taught engineer and inventor. I don't believe TWI would have made much difference in my education. I just enjoyed working so much I never found the motivation to go to school. I surely can't complain, I have most everything I might want, and a business that will support me and keep me active in my 60's and 70's.
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In a sense I am too. that is a self-taught engineer.
I'm supposed to be an electronics "expert". That was from the mouth of a retired electronics specialist (don't know if that is the accurate name of his title) who served on a nuclear submarine..
I could still draw the schematic of a hartley, or colpitts oscillator.. or easily recognize it.
one is because of a tapped coil for feedback, the other is for a tap between series capacitors for the same feedback..
does anybody even know what crystals are nowadays?
Then there are years of work in consumer electronics. Computers.. hardware, software..
If I didn't go back to school. I would today be unemployable..
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With a Bachellors in mostly applied mathematics, sylvan learning was *almost* interested in me, to tutor students..
interesting.
With *almost* a Master's.. the local community college would turn me loose on how many students..
I am four credits away.
what I would really like to do at this community college.. not just teach math, but as faculty, support some kind of amateur radio club..
it takes faculty backing to do something like this, and this local college DEFINITELY is interested in technology. Even old technology, that is relevant..
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the "coolest" thing that can happen to anybody. Take one, or a pair of the super magnets one has "harvested" from a hard drive.
You take this magnet.. rub it along the surface of diamagnetic material, i.e. a block of copper..
no, there is no attraction like iron..
but it feels like you are moving the magnet through a pool of very thick molasses.
As long as the magnet is moving, that is.
it's a real hit at parties..
Once you experience it, you have to explain it..
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