toppie (10th corps) got raped (and still has not recovered) hitching to lead
then we have the 11th corps, i believe, bus accident -- remember rochelle?
i mean, come on, did they give one flying f about these wonderful people?
it's too sad for words
7th corps, 10th corps, 11th corps---Do you see where I'm going with this? That's 5 corps years right there. Where was this great "spiritual awareness" they claimed to have? They watched it happen for five years (at least) and still didn't see the handwriting on the wall? More like they saw it and just didn't care. It doesn't take one ounce of "spiritual perception" to understand the severity of what was going on . It just required a little common sense and compassion. I don't think they had either----especially the latter of the two.
It's sad indeed. It was a stupid idea to start with but when someone actually died, that should have been a wake up call. Remember the 5th Corps guy that was doing the "cleanse" and left HQ grounds one day to buy cookies and was killed in a car accident? From what I remember, they did away with The Colon Cleanse for that very reason. Yet when it came to L.E.A.D. they didn't have the sense to cancel the hitch hiking. Go figure.
The incident in the 11th Corps was when they were transporting the L.E.A.D. participants to the road after a session. People were riding in the back of a pick up which was also pulling a trailer. The truck got hit by a crosswind and went off the road spilling people as it went plus I believe the trailer struck some people. Again, young people deliberately put in peril. One is not supposed to ride in the back of a pick-up unrestrained for obvious reasons. Yet, TWI did not alter their program one bit. Probably blamed it on the believing of the participants.
For those of you who may be unclear on the point, I'd like to spell it out for you.
Go dig out your "Heart of the Way Corps" tape set.
IIRC, that's 7 tapes. 2 of them have vpw speaking. Play them both, and listen when he speaks
about LEAD. If you're falling asleep, start paying attention when he says
"You're going to hitchhike to LEAD even if you NEVER make it."
In a few minutes, he gets to the part where he addresses the danger of being raped hitchhiking to LEAD.
"Well, you could be raped here in the Green Valley...."
vpw makes it clear that- because one could POTENTIALLY be raped ANYWHERE,
he sees no point in reducing the instructions that maximize the risk of being raped.
Despite knowing-and addressing-that forcing them to hitchhike was a voluntary risk factor
that led directly to some women being raped, vpw was determined to continue the practice,
no matter HOW many of you it hurt.
After all, it's not like he CARED about any of you. If a few wows or corps got raped or killed,
well, there will be more of them next year. Just make sure "the ministry be not blamed"
and move on. Let's never discuss the ministry SHOULD have been blamed because it had hazardous
policies, just don't blame it anyway.
Someone really needs God to tell them that?
Anyone with an thimble full of common sense would know its not the brightest idea to send young girls hitchhiking across the country. No 'revelation' is necessary to know that
The 'leaders'(gag) that put them in harms way are the ones that are complicit in the death and rape that occurred
I don't know if this is true, but someone once told me that VP said if you were raped it was your own fault.
Wasn't everything that happened to you your own fault? (Faulty believing, negative confession, not speaking in tongues enough, not studying the blue book enough, not listening to God, etc., etc., yada, yada.)
Wasn't everything that happened to you your own fault? (Faulty believing, negative confession, not speaking in tongues enough, not studying the blue book enough, not listening to God, etc., etc., yada, yada.)
Yep....that's what the man said.
The rap went like this......The law of believing is the greatest law in the whole universe. If someone marks the day of his death, and really believes it......why, God would have to change all the laws of the universe not to accommodate that man.
Hitch hiking to LEAD was turning point in my feelings of inferiority and helplessness and personal blame for not being more spiritual in this God-service business.
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The guy went from school into divinity school, and went directly into preaching from school.
He never traveled until he got his denomination to pay for the India trip.
(Before that, he grew up on a farm and was a chronic shirker of his chores- according to what
both his father and his brother said-and as recorded in TW:LiL. He chose preaching because it was
the most comfortable living for the least amount of work among his options.)
Matthew 23:1-12 (NASB)
1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,
2saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses;
3therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.
4"They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.
5"But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their [a]phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments.
6"They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues,
7and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men.
8"But do not be called Rabbi; for One is your Teacher, and you are all brothers.
9"Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
10"Do not be called leaders; for One is your Leader, that is, Christ.
11"But the greatest among you shall be your servant.
12"Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled; and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.
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cara
It takes your breath away sometimes - thanks.
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excathedra
WTF else needs to be said ?
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WordWolf
I didn't think of this answer before you asked.
What else needs to be said was that, if you were raped over there,
it would probably be BY HIM,
the degenerate.
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Broken Arrow
I don't know if this is true, but someone once told me that VP said if you were raped it was your own fault.
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So_crates
A rapist defending other rapists and blaming the victim!? Call Mike Wallace.
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Wasn't everything that happened to you your own fault? (Faulty believing, negative confession, not speaking in tongues enough, not studying the blue book enough, not listening to God, etc., etc., yada, yada.)
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Yep....that's what the man said.
The rap went like this......The law of believing is the greatest law in the whole universe. If someone marks the day of his death, and really believes it......why, God would have to change all the laws of the universe not to accommodate that man.
Wierwille's eye removal......his fault
Wierwille's cancer...........his fault
Wierwille's demise...........his fault
Martindale as vp's pick......his fault
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waysider
I think you may have misspelled a word.
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Broken Arrow
:o
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Kit Sober
Thanks for this thread.
Hitch hiking to LEAD was turning point in my feelings of inferiority and helplessness and personal blame for not being more spiritual in this God-service business.
Thanks, again.
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