Don't want people to realize the research ministry really didn't do any research. Most of the so-called research was either others work or something pulled out of Saint Vic's tail.
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Actually, there was, at one point in The Way's history, what could loosely be defined as a "research dept". There are posters here on GSC who were part of it.
HERE is an interesting article that examines some of the workings of the "research department".
Don't forget- "bless patrol" was a PLAN B. vpw originally wanted to MAKE UP A PRIVATE POLICE FORCE.
And again, I say......by 1978-1980, wierwille's TRUE COLORS were in full view.
The Way International became the manifestation of a narcissist's world of control....a private "police force" patrolling twi-grounds, personal bodyguards and valets, private planes, motorcycles, motorcoach privacy, club house, guard dogs, young women, adoring crowds, abs slush fund, tax shelters, complicit accountants, speech/research writers, etc.
Quite the gig if you can keep it going.....obviously, wierwille could not.
Ch@rlie Qui11en......twi's "police chief" split
J0hn R@ce............Ambassador One pilot left
J1m Cr1mm............Personal bodyguard left po'd
Others...............twi lawyer, mrs. w's assistant, etc.
And......many thought it was a dynamic Christian movement.
Actually, there was, at one point in The Way's history, what could loosely be defined as a "research dept". There are posters here on GSC who were part of it.
HERE is an interesting article that examines some of the workings of the "research department".
There was one person on this board who wrote an article about their time in the research department. They had commented that the research leaned more toward what Saint Vic said rather than true objective research.
Research Geek NEVER gets to the root of the problems.....
NEVER.....addresses all of wierwille's dark, deceptive ways.....
NEVER.....addresses the plagairism, predation, perversions......
NEVER.....sees how lcm was two-fold the evil of wierwille.......
NEVER.....considers twi's demise was happening in the 70s.......
NEVER.....considers that wierwille 'might' have been a false teacher....
NEVER.....connects the dots as to why thousands were abused......
Perhaps, RG has learned some things since he wrote these articles.....and perhaps, he no longer is willing to give wierwille a "free pass" and all.
BUT.....imo, this "top ten list" is trivial. I suppose with wierwille kids associated with CFF and all.....it's understandable why he'd see it this way. sarc/
Well, my point, really, was that there really was something that at least resembled a "research department" at one brief point in The Way's history. It certainly wasn't anything like it was promoted to be and it was quite short lived. Still, it did exist at some level. I wasn't trying to single out any one particular person.
And again, I say......by 1978-1980, wierwille's TRUE COLORS were in full view.
The Way International became the manifestation of a narcissist's world of control....a private "police force" patrolling twi-grounds, personal bodyguards and valets, private planes, motorcycles, motorcoach privacy, club house, guard dogs, young women, adoring crowds, abs slush fund, tax shelters, complicit accountants, speech/research writers, etc.
Quite the gig if you can keep it going.....obviously, wierwille could not.
Ch@rlie Qui11en......twi's "police chief" split
J0hn R@ce............Ambassador One pilot left
J1m Cr1mm............Personal bodyguard left po'd
Others...............twi lawyer, mrs. w's assistant, etc.
And......many thought it was a dynamic Christian movement.
Quillen stuck around until POP I believe. You make it sound like he got mad at VP and "split". I didn't know Race left, of course they wouldn't make that public unless they had to. If the TWI lawyer you're talking about was Shirley then according to POP he was trying to run a scam and got caught by our Savior CG. Did CG make that up, maybe? Another TWI lawyer moved to a warmer climate and lived happily ever after...probably with a real law firm. I dunno, he seemed happy. Possibly because he more than likely quintupled (5x) his salary.
Well, my point, really, was that there really was something that at least resembled a "research department" at one brief point in The Way's history. It certainly wasn't anything like it was promoted to be and it was quite short lived. Still, it did exist at some level. I wasn't trying to single out any one particular person.
They were around for like 5 or 6 years weren't they?
Well, my point, really, was that there really was something that at least resembled a "research department" at one brief point in The Way's history. It certainly wasn't anything like it was promoted to be and it was quite short lived. Still, it did exist at some level. I wasn't trying to single out any one particular person.
waysider.....yeah, I see your point. Thanks.
In looking at this "top ten list of doctrinal errors"......one is left with the impression that martindale totally screwed up twi. Yet, twi was unraveling under wierwille's watch! And, many would contend that wierwille's credentials and life disqualified him from any and all spiritual oversight.
How many of those corps/clergy types who left twi....AND WENT TO OFFSHOOTS.....still feed and seed the wierwille fallacy? Hundreds of these corps and clergy are still out there living off the legacy of wierwille. Classes with 12 sessions. Programs like SOWERS. The youth are sacrificed at the altar of wierwille's legacy once again.
If I were to put forth a "top 10 list"......the countdown would look something like the following. And, "the law of believing" as purported in twi would be #1...the scriptures never state it as a law. Yes, God honors believing to those promises in the scriptures, but it isn't a wish list for self-advancement or gratification.
[...there's probably enough crap to go for 100...]
11) PFAL takes the place of the absent Christ [since PFAL = "The Word"]
12) the Bible interprets itself
13) the unforgivable sin
14) the 5 things you must know in order to receive anything from God
15) the law of giving & receiving
16) the great principle [God who is spirit teaches His creation in you, which is now your spirit, and your spirit teaches your mind; then it becomes manifested in the senses realm as you act]
17) God will always tell you first, but if you don't have your "ears" on you'll be hearing from heaven another way
18) 10 commandments and the gospels were not written to us
19) anything done in the love of God is ok
20) the Lock Box
21) no degrees of sin - all sin is the same
22) sin minimized to broken fellowship
.....that's all i've got for now since i'm just going by "first thought"
We no longer wanted to be shackled by our parents' religion.
We gathered in numbers and took our movement to the streets.
We waved the pfal-flag proudly in defiance of church tyranny.
We demanded "freedom" to live and worship at twi's altar.
The sad irony is.....people did follow a man who was rebelling against the church.....but, he left the church in rebellion to God. I really believe that. He knew the gospel....he knew the truth....he knew God.
God and accountability got in the way of VP's desires and he pretty much had to rewrite the whole thing to make God a co conspirator in his lifestyle.....
The difference is...the young people who followed him away from the church.....were genuinely seeking God. The church failed them. They were LEAD astray. VP was the blind guide.
Quillen stuck around until POP I believe. You make it sound like he got mad at VP and "split".
By 1981....Qui11en was no longer twi's "police chief"......L1nder or R0we stepped up. Yeah, maybe Charlie went to Illinois for a field assignment or something, but no longer staff.
By 1981....Rev. M1ke Sm1th, 1st Corps, told me that he was ready to leave twi, but conceded to staying until after Living Victoriously (1982).
By 1978....Rev. J0hn Clay, 4th Corps & Limb Coordinator, left twi.
I'm only pointing this stuff out, because many seem to think that martindale screwed everything up......or, that Geer's POP paper was what woke people up.
Silly me.....I stuck around, because I thought that by staying I'd be able to help turn things around. Sadly, the whole thing was far more corrupted than I ever imagined.
i agree with you - maybe i didn't get detailed enough on the countless alternate courses that could be taken by individuals - if they were not under the tightfisted control of an abusive and life-dominating organization.
For example - i really got into reading the Bible especially the gospels after i took the class and began buying various research tools like an interlinear Greek text and a critical Greek text. But i remember my Twig leader discouraging me from going so gung-ho on Bible study when i should be spend more time reviewing PFAL material. What if there wasn't all the manipulation and controlling going on to keep people focused on PFAL.
And what if i said "Hey, i bought Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible" and prefer it to PFAL. And i'm not crazy about the manifestations either." Sounds like a crazy scenario crazy - BUT - imagine the variables - the changes - people leaving TWI - morphing TWI - whatever - if PFAL and vp were not so revered.
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i also agree with what you're saying about the poison-generating virus that created TWI. that would have to go. imho, that's why i haven't heard much good coming out of any of the offshoots & splinter groups.
Ironic, isn't it......a "bible class that teaches one the keys to researching the scriptures" and then, after you finish the course, your twig leader discourages it.
No, no.....don't read Bullinger's "How to Enjoy the Bible"
No, no.....don't go buy research books
REPEAT CUSTOMERS AND FAWNING FOLLOWERS........is the name of the game.
The sinister side of me says this was far deeper.....
What T-Bone said about his twig leader, I HEARD it as well. Think about that for a second. Not corps, not staffers at hq.......but little ole twig leaders who ALREADY were in lockstep with the mentality in the mid-70s.
We used to scoff at those 'deprogrammers' who attempted to free many from twi, moonies, scientology, hari krishna groups, etc. Well...........maybe, we were PROGRAMMED.
Was the renewed mind crap in twi ANOTHER PERVERSION of scriptural truth? Yes. And, pfal was the playground of mind-gymnastics. Remember in the DTA class where the devil's kingdom was represented by the scales of a crocodile, an impenetrable protection system? Twi was like that......twig leaders, adv class grads, wows, corps, staff, SCALES OF A CROCODILE.
The corrupt system.....classes, programs, roa, mogs.....was layered with protection AND security systems. Watch patrol....aka 'bless patrol'..set a perimeter around the roa grounds to police itself. Bless patrol shifts at all corps campuses. Be watchful...ie devil spirits are everywhere!!
How deep did the programming run......consciously AND unconsciously ?
"One Way activity which was very disturbing to Ohio residents was the creation of The Way International Police Department in 1978, partly intended to reduce vandalism of its property.
Lenhart refused to deputize Way police and to grant them access to nationwide police records.
"Reduce vandalism"...two thoughts:
if TWI didn't make itself so obnixious locally, perhaps it wouldn't have suffered vandalism. It would be interesting to know how much "vandalism" other farms and properties in the same neighborhood suffered
Formation of a private police force is hardly "bless those that persecute you" or turning the other cheek.
(Maybe property protection was "justified" by protecting the ABS the believers had contributed)
"Grant them access to nationwide police records"...Would this be used against alleged vandals? Probably all of whom were known locally. Or would it have been used against the believers? Knowing the abuse that took place with known information (like "letters of apology" and "Birth to Corps papers", how much worse and controlling would the organization be, if they had access to such sensitive Police information? Nationally? Knowledge of one's own and one's family's past criminal history would be passed off as "revelation" and would be used for fuelling all sorts of "possession" allegations. What a scary thought.
if TWI didn't make itself so obnixious locally, perhaps it wouldn't have suffered vandalism. It would be interesting to know how much "vandalism" other farms and properties in the same neighborhood suffered
Formation of a private police force is hardly "bless those that persecute you" or turning the other cheek.
(Maybe property protection was "justified" by protecting the ABS the believers had contributed)
"Grant them access to nationwide police records"...Would this be used against alleged vandals? Probably all of whom were known locally. Or would it have been used against the believers? Knowing the abuse that took place with known information (like "letters of apology" and "Birth to Corps papers", how much worse and controlling would the organization be, if they had access to such sensitive Police information? Nationally? Knowledge of one's own and one's family's past criminal history would be passed off as "revelation" and would be used for fuelling all sorts of "possession" allegations. What a scary thought.
Rather than forming a private police force, maybe Saint Vic should have looked at where his believing was at.
He, like Job, apparently had unbelief which put a gap in that hedge of protection we all prayed so dilegently for for him. This allow negative things to come into his life. (Where is that sarcasm smiley?)
Rather than forming a private police force, maybe Saint Vic should have looked at where his believing was at.
He, like Job, apparently had unbelief which put a gap in that hedge of protection we all prayed so dilegently for for him. This allow negative things to come into his life. (Where is that sarcasm smiley?)
Besides having a personal bodyguard with evasive-driver training, trained guard dogs, private security force, an inner circle of yes-men, and a loyal following of committed corps.....
......wierwille had a Family Corps guy (1981,82), a military vet trained in munitions, do a thorough inspection under the roa main stage checking for bomb explosives.
i would like to revise my reply on your question "did it change the world?" to yes - - - imho, the PFAL and TWI "revolution" usually have a negative impact - transmitted outward from each follower - in a rippling effect, like the waves from a turd hitting the water....
...seriously, think about the alternate decisions made, change in plans, the sacrifices, the roads NOT taken, other lives not touched etc., by folks because of their getting involved in a life-dominating organization. What valuable....positive, contributions to the world were NEVER made by folks who got talked into dropping out from the world!
....and i'm not even thinking we've missed the next Einstein, Mother Theresa, etc. although that's certainly possible judging by the caliber of folks at Grease Spot - i was thinking more along the lines of how normal, honest, hard working folks do so much for their community and provide a strong home life for raising more of the same! guess that's why most folks around here seem to be making up for lost time now - - let's keep on with da keepin' on!
Gawdf! PFAL/TWI - - - what a serious detour during life's journey....amidst all the potholes and bridges out on the detour they should at least post signs all around "Your Abundant Sharing Hard at Work"
Man, i thought of another stupid thing - speaking of detours - how i bought into the bunk about getting the word over the world is the only thing worthy of my time/energy/money. Gag!!!!!!!!!!
"Must be something wrong with our scale of values" yup - TWI's scale of values.....Heck, what's wrong with putting my family first, raising good kids, doing an honest day's work?!Yeah, i'm changing the world, alright - - but it's one T-Bone at a time.
.....and since there's only one of me i guess i've got my lifetime goal all mapped out.
~~
edited for theatrical version....look for the interactive director's cut on Blu-ray
Besides having a personal bodyguard with evasive-driver training, trained guard dogs, private security force, an inner circle of yes-men, and a loyal following of committed corps.....
......wierwille had a Family Corps guy (1981,82), a military vet trained in munitions, do a thorough inspection under the roa main stage checking for bomb explosives.
I don't think he was really afraid of government take-overs. What I think he was afraid of was that some irate father, husband, son or brother would come looking to put his lights out because of his misdeeds. His fears were well founded.
You look more important when you have an entourage, especially if that entourage is armed. He would be driven around at ROA accompanied by some guys who looked like Secret Service agents. People (including me) would go "Whoa! This is one important dude.
I remember sitting at a Rock one time somewhat close to the main stage. A guard sat at each side of the stage where there were stairs leading up to the platform. Each guard wore a dark suit, dark glasses, ear pieces that I supposed were attached to radios. I figured they had guns as well. Even in my brainwashed state I thought of how ridiculous those guys looked and inside I went "Oh, come on!" Then I thought of how much fun it would be to yell, "AAAuugh...!!" and charge the main stage just for the fun of it. Hey, it would have given people something to talk about. I figured VP and Doug M. may not see the humor in it so I chose to just sit there.
You look more important when you have an entourage, especially if that entourage is armed. He would be driven around at ROA accompanied by some guys who looked like Secret Service agents. People (including me) would go "Whoa! This is one important dude.
I remember sitting at a Rock one time somewhat close to the main stage. A guard sat at each side of the stage where there were stairs leading up to the platform. Each guard wore a dark suit, dark glasses, ear pieces that I supposed were attached to radios. I figured they had guns as well. Even in my brainwashed state I thought of how ridiculous those guys looked and inside I went "Oh, come on!" Then I thought of how much fun it would be to yell, "AAAuugh...!!" and charge the main stage just for the fun of it. Hey, it would have given people something to talk about. I figured VP and Doug M. may not see the humor in it so I chose to just sit there.
Exactly!!!.......and those "Blart Cops" took their assignments so serious.
Even at a stupid nightowl with wierwille.....vp's bodyguard walked around like one of us corps was going to tackle veepee to the ground. Sheeeesh. And, later as the fire was crackling, and the crickets were chirping in the way woods....and wierwille was giving his "aw, honey you just gotta believe the word".....the bodyguard's two-way radio broke the stillness. Somehow, the volume was too high....and wierwille was red-hot MAD.
Wierwille lashed out at him and the public humiliation was ugly. And, this was a guy who stood his ground no matter who confronted him. He wouldn't take shi+ from anyone.....not even wierwille.
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The youth came out in great numbers in the 1970s. Was it a movement? Was it a pfal revolution? Was it a religious quest? Was it a revolt from society altogether? We no longer wanted to be shackle
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Actually, there was, at one point in The Way's history, what could loosely be defined as a "research dept". There are posters here on GSC who were part of it.
HERE is an interesting article that examines some of the workings of the "research department".
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And again, I say......by 1978-1980, wierwille's TRUE COLORS were in full view.
The Way International became the manifestation of a narcissist's world of control....a private "police force" patrolling twi-grounds, personal bodyguards and valets, private planes, motorcycles, motorcoach privacy, club house, guard dogs, young women, adoring crowds, abs slush fund, tax shelters, complicit accountants, speech/research writers, etc.
Quite the gig if you can keep it going.....obviously, wierwille could not.
Ch@rlie Qui11en......twi's "police chief" split
J0hn R@ce............Ambassador One pilot left
J1m Cr1mm............Personal bodyguard left po'd
Others...............twi lawyer, mrs. w's assistant, etc.
And......many thought it was a dynamic Christian movement.
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There was one person on this board who wrote an article about their time in the research department. They had commented that the research leaned more toward what Saint Vic said rather than true objective research.
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Here is another link.
http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/editorial/editorial-items/research-geeks-top-ten-list-of-doctrinal-errors.html
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Research Geek NEVER gets to the root of the problems.....
NEVER.....addresses all of wierwille's dark, deceptive ways.....
NEVER.....addresses the plagairism, predation, perversions......
NEVER.....sees how lcm was two-fold the evil of wierwille.......
NEVER.....considers twi's demise was happening in the 70s.......
NEVER.....considers that wierwille 'might' have been a false teacher....
NEVER.....connects the dots as to why thousands were abused......
Perhaps, RG has learned some things since he wrote these articles.....and perhaps, he no longer is willing to give wierwille a "free pass" and all.
BUT.....imo, this "top ten list" is trivial. I suppose with wierwille kids associated with CFF and all.....it's understandable why he'd see it this way. sarc/
Research Geek's Top Ten List of Doctrinal Errors
#10 Genuine Spiritual Suspicion
#9 The malpractice of Withdraw and Avoid
#8 The Original Sin was Homosexuality
#7 Owe no man anything
#6 Weakness always brings down strength
#5 All the corps becoming full time ministers
#4 That agape love is FOR God not OF God
#3 TWI is the true body of Christ
#2 The Preoccupation with devil spirits
#1 The Misuse of the Term "Present Truth"
#0 The underLIEing that instigated them all
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Well, my point, really, was that there really was something that at least resembled a "research department" at one brief point in The Way's history. It certainly wasn't anything like it was promoted to be and it was quite short lived. Still, it did exist at some level. I wasn't trying to single out any one particular person.
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Quillen stuck around until POP I believe. You make it sound like he got mad at VP and "split". I didn't know Race left, of course they wouldn't make that public unless they had to. If the TWI lawyer you're talking about was Shirley then according to POP he was trying to run a scam and got caught by our Savior CG. Did CG make that up, maybe? Another TWI lawyer moved to a warmer climate and lived happily ever after...probably with a real law firm. I dunno, he seemed happy. Possibly because he more than likely quintupled (5x) his salary.
They were around for like 5 or 6 years weren't they?
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waysider.....yeah, I see your point. Thanks.
In looking at this "top ten list of doctrinal errors"......one is left with the impression that martindale totally screwed up twi. Yet, twi was unraveling under wierwille's watch! And, many would contend that wierwille's credentials and life disqualified him from any and all spiritual oversight.
How many of those corps/clergy types who left twi....AND WENT TO OFFSHOOTS.....still feed and seed the wierwille fallacy? Hundreds of these corps and clergy are still out there living off the legacy of wierwille. Classes with 12 sessions. Programs like SOWERS. The youth are sacrificed at the altar of wierwille's legacy once again.
If I were to put forth a "top 10 list"......the countdown would look something like the following. And, "the law of believing" as purported in twi would be #1...the scriptures never state it as a law. Yes, God honors believing to those promises in the scriptures, but it isn't a wish list for self-advancement or gratification.
Skyrider's Top Ten List of Doctrinal Errors
10) The Black Snowstorm was a Lie
9) Plagairism is Stealing
8) Take this class and shove it
7) The Way Tree has root fungus
6) Corps Program was Indoctrination
5) Members in Particular: Not collectivism
4) Twi was No Zion
3) MOG Doctrine is anti-Christ
2) Search the Scriptures: Not PFAL
1) The Law of Believing is a Hoax
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[...there's probably enough crap to go for 100...]
11) PFAL takes the place of the absent Christ [since PFAL = "The Word"]
12) the Bible interprets itself
13) the unforgivable sin
14) the 5 things you must know in order to receive anything from God
15) the law of giving & receiving
16) the great principle [God who is spirit teaches His creation in you, which is now your spirit, and your spirit teaches your mind; then it becomes manifested in the senses realm as you act]
17) God will always tell you first, but if you don't have your "ears" on you'll be hearing from heaven another way
18) 10 commandments and the gospels were not written to us
19) anything done in the love of God is ok
20) the Lock Box
21) no degrees of sin - all sin is the same
22) sin minimized to broken fellowship
.....that's all i've got for now since i'm just going by "first thought"
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The sad irony is.....people did follow a man who was rebelling against the church.....but, he left the church in rebellion to God. I really believe that. He knew the gospel....he knew the truth....he knew God.
God and accountability got in the way of VP's desires and he pretty much had to rewrite the whole thing to make God a co conspirator in his lifestyle.....
The difference is...the young people who followed him away from the church.....were genuinely seeking God. The church failed them. They were LEAD astray. VP was the blind guide.
It was the perfect storm for a good con man.
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By 1981....Qui11en was no longer twi's "police chief"......L1nder or R0we stepped up. Yeah, maybe Charlie went to Illinois for a field assignment or something, but no longer staff.
By 1981....Rev. M1ke Sm1th, 1st Corps, told me that he was ready to leave twi, but conceded to staying until after Living Victoriously (1982).
By 1978....Rev. J0hn Clay, 4th Corps & Limb Coordinator, left twi.
I'm only pointing this stuff out, because many seem to think that martindale screwed everything up......or, that Geer's POP paper was what woke people up.
Silly me.....I stuck around, because I thought that by staying I'd be able to help turn things around. Sadly, the whole thing was far more corrupted than I ever imagined.
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I prefer to think of it more as Saint Vic's Folly (definition).
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I heard the same- even after LEAVING TWI.
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Yeah......and now, my BS-meter can detect the trappings alot sooner.
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"Reduce vandalism"...two thoughts:
(Maybe property protection was "justified" by protecting the ABS the believers had contributed)
"Grant them access to nationwide police records"...Would this be used against alleged vandals? Probably all of whom were known locally. Or would it have been used against the believers? Knowing the abuse that took place with known information (like "letters of apology" and "Birth to Corps papers", how much worse and controlling would the organization be, if they had access to such sensitive Police information? Nationally? Knowledge of one's own and one's family's past criminal history would be passed off as "revelation" and would be used for fuelling all sorts of "possession" allegations. What a scary thought.
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Rather than forming a private police force, maybe Saint Vic should have looked at where his believing was at.
He, like Job, apparently had unbelief which put a gap in that hedge of protection we all prayed so dilegently for for him. This allow negative things to come into his life. (Where is that sarcasm smiley?)
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Besides having a personal bodyguard with evasive-driver training, trained guard dogs, private security force, an inner circle of yes-men, and a loyal following of committed corps.....
......wierwille had a Family Corps guy (1981,82), a military vet trained in munitions, do a thorough inspection under the roa main stage checking for bomb explosives.
I'm dead serious........(no pun intended)
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The Hierarchy of Paranoia
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i would like to revise my reply on your question "did it change the world?" to yes - - - imho, the PFAL and TWI "revolution" usually have a negative impact - transmitted outward from each follower - in a rippling effect, like the waves from a turd hitting the water....
...seriously, think about the alternate decisions made, change in plans, the sacrifices, the roads NOT taken, other lives not touched etc., by folks because of their getting involved in a life-dominating organization. What valuable....positive, contributions to the world were NEVER made by folks who got talked into dropping out from the world!
....and i'm not even thinking we've missed the next Einstein, Mother Theresa, etc. although that's certainly possible judging by the caliber of folks at Grease Spot
- i was thinking more along the lines of how normal, honest, hard working folks do so much for their community and provide a strong home life for raising more of the same! guess that's why most folks around here seem to be making up for lost time now - - let's keep on with da keepin' on!
Gawdf! PFAL/TWI - - - what a serious detour during life's journey....amidst all the potholes and bridges out on the detour they should at least post signs all around "Your Abundant Sharing Hard at Work"
Man, i thought of another stupid thing - speaking of detours - how i bought into the bunk about getting the word over the world is the only thing worthy of my time/energy/money. Gag!!!!!!!!!!
"Must be something wrong with our scale of values" yup - TWI's scale of values.....Heck, what's wrong with putting my family first, raising good kids, doing an honest day's work?!Yeah, i'm changing the world, alright - - but it's one T-Bone at a time.
.....and since there's only one of me i guess i've got my lifetime goal all mapped out.
~~
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Don't forget about the ammo dump at the EOB.
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waysider
I don't think he was really afraid of government take-overs. What I think he was afraid of was that some irate father, husband, son or brother would come looking to put his lights out because of his misdeeds. His fears were well founded.
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Broken Arrow
You look more important when you have an entourage, especially if that entourage is armed. He would be driven around at ROA accompanied by some guys who looked like Secret Service agents. People (including me) would go "Whoa! This is one important dude.
I remember sitting at a Rock one time somewhat close to the main stage. A guard sat at each side of the stage where there were stairs leading up to the platform. Each guard wore a dark suit, dark glasses, ear pieces that I supposed were attached to radios. I figured they had guns as well. Even in my brainwashed state I thought of how ridiculous those guys looked and inside I went "Oh, come on!" Then I thought of how much fun it would be to yell, "AAAuugh...!!" and charge the main stage just for the fun of it. Hey, it would have given people something to talk about. I figured VP and Doug M. may not see the humor in it so I chose to just sit there.
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skyrider
Exactly!!!.......and those "Blart Cops" took their assignments so serious.
Even at a stupid nightowl with wierwille.....vp's bodyguard walked around like one of us corps was going to tackle veepee to the ground. Sheeeesh. And, later as the fire was crackling, and the crickets were chirping in the way woods....and wierwille was giving his "aw, honey you just gotta believe the word".....the bodyguard's two-way radio broke the stillness. Somehow, the volume was too high....and wierwille was red-hot MAD.
Wierwille lashed out at him and the public humiliation was ugly. And, this was a guy who stood his ground no matter who confronted him. He wouldn't take shi+ from anyone.....not even wierwille.
The next day......this bodyguard was gone.
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