the victoids' *ministry(?)*

[Ham]

I wish our Froggie friend would get her head out of her a** and post something here at the moment..

like everything else I want, it is asking too much..

[waysider]

Our Froggie friend? Maybe I shouldn't ask.

Edited February 24, 2011 by waysider

[Ham]

Just a friend I met here long ago..

She turned me on to Norah Jones..

listened to a LOT of Joni Mitchell..

Edited February 24, 2011 by Ham

[waysider]

Just a friend I met here long ago..

She turned me on to Norah Jones..

listened to a LOT of Joni Mitchell..

Sounds like a pretty hip amphibian.

Edited February 24, 2011 by waysider

[Ham]

I have had far more than one soul mate..

maybe I'm lucky.

even when it was like.. in the night, two ships passing..

No. No sex involved..

weird. Take it as you wish..

I have had far more than one soul mate..

maybe I'm lucky.

Edited February 24, 2011 by Ham

[Ham]

what are we, really..

don't ask that question, unless you can live with the consequences..

I asked it once..

[waysider]

what are we, really..

don't ask that question, unless you can live with the consequences..

I asked it once..

Oh, I don't know. Holding our questions in abeyance all those years ago seems to have led to its own set of consequences.

[Ham]

yeah. but what if..

in one moment you found everything you thought you believed, was just wrong..

some might choose to jump in front of the train.. others might just choose to live..

I've asked a couple of posters here the what if question.. and most would choose the first option..

[waysider]

yeah. but what if..

in one moment you found everything you thought you believed, was just wrong..

Ha! I've had several of those moments in my lifetime. I think the most painful one, though, was when I realized that VPW was nothing more than "the man behind the curtain". It feels good to be back in Kansas, Toto.

[T-Bone]

Hell, for that matter, some of the things posted are the types of things I saw myself but didn't understand. Like the incident T-Bone related involving the Way Corps night-owls. Wierwille openly displayed a lewd object to a 15 year old girl. It was right there in front of them but they didn't fully comprehend the significance of what they were witnessing.T-Bone wasn't the only one there at that event. Then there was the pornographic movie of bestiality that VPW displayed for various groups.I did not personally see this movie but I did, personally hear Wierwille describe the contents in the CF&S class. Then, there are the "first hand accounts" of Wierwille describing, again, in a closed group, the times he sexually molested his own daughter. These incidents aren't hearsay. They actually happened. How much more "first hand" does it get than that?

Did you take the old CF&S class, John? If you did, you, yourself, must have heard him describe the bestiality movies. That means that even you caught a glimpse of what was going on and, like many of us, failed to realize the importance of what we were seeing.

just for the record on what i witnessed - vp showing a lewd pen to a Junior Corps girl and showing the beastiality video - was the same night - at our family corps pajama party.

Consider this. Wierwille described the bestiality movies (one with a German Shepherd and one with a horse, if I remember correctly.) in CF&S. Thousands of students are witness to this fact. There were underage students in some of these classes. There is one GSC poster who has testified that he was 13 or 14 when he took the class. I personally ran a class that included a 13 year old female student. Somehow, Wierwille bewitched us into thinking there was some sort of redeeming value to be found in this so-called class.

So, now, we have gone from someone saying, "Where's the evidence?" to a scenario that clearly demonstrates there were thousands of witnesses to, at the very least, a small but real piece of the decadent puzzle. Where is the evidence? It's been hiding in plain sight the whole time.

ain't that the truth.....as shameful as that is to accept....it appears SO WRONG to me NOW - since i've chucked the TWI mindset.....but how was that possible - the only thing i can come up with is TWI's sedative to the conscience [started a thread about that awhile back]......still to this day - for me personally, the pajama party incident just goes to show you how much insidious power and influence vp wielded over his followers......and i'll be the first to admit it - a loyal follower enabled vp to do this.....i like so many others was so enamored with vp - that i turned off any "security settings" in my brain - i.e. critical thinking. if vp said it, i believe it, that settles it.

take the above incident - the exact same incident - from two different perspectives:

T-Bone in his old TWI mindset - "this is so cool...hanging out with the man of god for the world...i hope to become as spiritual as him some day where stuff like this won't phase me."

T-Bone free of TWI's influence - "i just can't believe that dirty old man got up in front of everyone and did all that and made like he was teaching us something really special to boot!"

guess the old TWI mindset blinded me to the fact of how inappropriate all that was.

[Ham]

me too..

[Broken Arrow]

Crosby Stills and Nash's version was so.. lame. that isn't entirely the name..

no, they embodied it.

when they published it, it had the authors name attached..

I liked CSN's version and Ms. Mitchell's, though we all know who wrote it. Am I a cop out? Confused? Caught beween two camps...again???!!!

I heard Joni Mitchell had polio when she was 9 and was hospitalized. I also heard that little Joni took her guitar with her and entertained the other patients. I think that was sometime before she wrote "Free Man in Paris".

[Ham]

I STILL have problems..

I expect, and give twenty years worth of trust, at a moment's notice.

of course I've gotten a h*ll of a lot better on the first half of the above statement. I can't demand ANYTHING.. of anybody..

but generally, I don't have healthy boundaries. But I seem to be getting a tad bit better..

but isn't that kind of pathetic? I'm what.. 54 years old.. and in a few ways I'm starting to figure it out..

some of the newer generation, will check your credit, your criminal record.. your academic history, your prostrate.. before they will give you a half an ounce of trust..

which is sad in a way. A depraved fiend can hide well behind an impeccable credit rating, criminal history, academic excellence..

[johniam]

quote: Did you take the old CF&S class, John? If you did, you, yourself, must have heard him describe the bestiality movies. That means that even you caught a glimpse of what was going on and, like many of us, failed to realize the importance of what we were seeing.

I took it 3 times. One of which took up probably 10 of the 89 pages in the 'big things I learned in pfal' thread. lol. This old guy got a boner and, well, ok never mind, but I do remember VP saying that Linda Lovelace made a movie with a German Shepherd and that the dog was smarter than she was; it was trying to get away. Don't remember anything about a horse. Don't remember any references to any movies either.

I lived in San Francisco in the early 70s. Saw several porn type movies there. Since then the only porn movies I saw were at believers' bachelor parties. CF&S was NOT serious porn. I kind of admired that a church bred guy would dare to present sex that honestly. I saw many examples of parents and children taking the same CFS class. Wouldn't quite be the same atmosphere in a church.

[Ham]

and to bring this back to subject here:

a DEPRAVED FIEND can EASILY hide behind an illusion of righteousness..

religion seems to be the worst, or perhaps the easiest hiding place..

[waysider]

Very few people know it was actually me who wrote Woodstock. God gave it to me in a vision during a late summertime sno-cone storm. He said he would give me the words and music, along with the words and music to songs that people had been singing since the first century, if I would promise to transcribe it into tablature for the Bb ocarina. I promised Him, then and there, I would never again play Chopin on the kazoo if He would grant me this wish.

Edited February 24, 2011 by waysider

[Ham]

so where is the "safeness" here?

you've FINALLY defined, or admitted that it was NOT a reasonable expectation for married, unmarried, accompanied or not, women, in the *presence* of da vicster..

so what WAS IT?

What security?

For whom?

Why not for ALL under the umbrella of gawd's protection?

[waysider]

I took it 3 times. One of which took up probably 10 of the 89 pages in the 'big things I learned in pfal' thread. lol. This old guy got a boner and, well, ok never mind, but I do remember VP saying that Linda Lovelace made a movie with a German Shepherd and that the dog was smarter than she was; it was trying to get away.

So you think it was alright that underage kids were exposed to the kinds of things that were in CF&S?

Edited February 24, 2011 by waysider

[Ham]

so what WAS.. or IS this "security"?

was it an lsd or mescaline inspired vision?

like cra*ley having a flashback during some long winded way fellowship or something?

I'm really trying to figure this out.

where did the "security" lead your master..

he ended up in middle age, tired, bitter, abandoned (at least in his view, if not in reality)..

and dreadfully ill..

[waysider]

How can anyone admit they were present when this stuff happened and then ask, "Where's the evidence?"

I mean, you and I may have differing subjective viewpoints on the significance of it all but the objective reality is that it did, in fact, happen. That much isn't subject to opinion.

Edited February 24, 2011 by waysider

[Ham]

living.. is easy with eyes closed..

[waysider]

living.. is easy with eyes closed..

Always know sometimes think it's me, but you know I know and it's a dream.

I think I know of thee, ah yes, but it's all wrong.

That is I think I disagree.

[Ham]

It's getting hard to be someone, but it all works out..

[Ham]

maybe it's trivia time. What was the oldest living thing on Perry Lane?

Edited February 25, 2011 by Ham

[waysider]

We're so sorry, Uncle Victor

But we haven't witnessed Piffle once today.

We're so sorry, Uncle Victor

But your aura has been spoiled

And I believe you're quite insane.

Edited February 25, 2011 by waysider