Put theology on the side bar for a moment and consider this logically.
Why would God, who is supposed to represent all that is good, use lying, stealing and trickery to reveal a message of such supposed importance?
For that matter, why would God choose a spokesman who antithesized the message he promoted? Well, I suppose someone will allude to Paul's past deeds at this juncture. Paul, however, whether real or not, represents a man who had an epiphany that inspired him to transform his behavior.
Somewhere in the bible there's that thing about lying. Of course "all men are liars" anyway, so I guess it's to be expected. A little white lie doesn't matter here or there, does it? An inference or implication that one's own stuff wasn't really someone else's. No one owns anything, anyway, right? It's all God's, we're just stewards and good stewards lie, they have to, all men are liars. What's important is dividing up the stuff correctly so future generations can have it, right?
Ring around the rosey.
For anyone who says they believe the Bible and have actually read it there's quite a bit about ownership and measurement, appropriation and recognition. Both the OT and NT are aligned very well on the topic, particularly when we factor in "love" and God's ultimate justice exemplified in Jesus Christ. But if one never reads the Bible and just goes on gut feelings or what someone else propounds that the Bible "says" they're never really going to give a crap anyway. For anyone who might, a little bit, some verses from a large stack of many like them - and best of all without the usual drivel I provide to illuminate their meaning as they're really pretty easy to understand. For "Christians" so-called, ownership, respect of property and diligent stewardship of God's "Inheritance" and the abundance it provides the story's really open and shut and has a happy ending. If we respect that guidance and follow it. If we don't we can do any dammed thing we want and say it doesn't matter anyway.
Deut 19:13 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
Deuteronomy 27:17 "Cursed is the man who moves his neighbor's boundary stone. Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Job 24:2 Men move boundary stones; they pasture flocks they have stolen.
Proverbs 15:25 The LORD tears down the proud man's house but he keeps the widow's boundaries intact.
Proverbs 22:28 Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by your forefathers.
Hosea 5:10 Judah's leaders are like those who move boundary stones. I will pour out my wrath on them like a flood of water.
Exodus 20:15-17 You shall not steal. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Prov 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work.
Exodus 22:7-8 "If a man delivers to his neighbor money or goods to keep, and it is stolen out of the man's house, then, if the thief is found, he shall pay double. If the thief is not found, the owner of the house shall come near to God, to show whether or not he has put his hand to his neighbor's goods.
Wierwille said he lacked the abundance he saw unbelievers manifesting. Did these unbelievers have "the rightly divided word"? Did they "speak in tongues much"? Did they operate "all 9, all the time"? Maybe he should have followed the example of the unbelievers and gotten a real, honest-to-goodness job.
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Put theology on the side bar for a moment and consider this logically.
Why would God, who is supposed to represent all that is good, use lying, stealing and trickery to reveal a message of such supposed importance?
For that matter, why would God choose a spokesman who antithesized the message he promoted? Well, I suppose someone will allude to Paul's past deeds at this juncture. Paul, however, whether real or not, represents a man who had an epiphany that inspired him to transform his behavior.
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hmmm.. why would he.. because he has lower morals than us human, faulted creatures?
if that's what some want to "promote".. why should I stand in the way?
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Somewhere in the bible there's that thing about lying. Of course "all men are liars" anyway, so I guess it's to be expected. A little white lie doesn't matter here or there, does it? An inference or implication that one's own stuff wasn't really someone else's. No one owns anything, anyway, right? It's all God's, we're just stewards and good stewards lie, they have to, all men are liars. What's important is dividing up the stuff correctly so future generations can have it, right?
Ring around the rosey.
For anyone who says they believe the Bible and have actually read it there's quite a bit about ownership and measurement, appropriation and recognition. Both the OT and NT are aligned very well on the topic, particularly when we factor in "love" and God's ultimate justice exemplified in Jesus Christ. But if one never reads the Bible and just goes on gut feelings or what someone else propounds that the Bible "says" they're never really going to give a crap anyway. For anyone who might, a little bit, some verses from a large stack of many like them - and best of all without the usual drivel I provide to illuminate their meaning as they're really pretty easy to understand. For "Christians" so-called, ownership, respect of property and diligent stewardship of God's "Inheritance" and the abundance it provides the story's really open and shut and has a happy ending. If we respect that guidance and follow it. If we don't we can do any dammed thing we want and say it doesn't matter anyway.
Deut 19:13 Thou shalt not remove thy neighbour's landmark, which they of old time have set in thine inheritance, which thou shalt inherit in the land that the LORD thy God giveth thee to possess it.
Deuteronomy 27:17 "Cursed is the man who moves his neighbor's boundary stone. Then all the people shall say, "Amen!"
Job 24:2 Men move boundary stones; they pasture flocks they have stolen.
Proverbs 15:25 The LORD tears down the proud man's house but he keeps the widow's boundaries intact.
Proverbs 22:28 Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by your forefathers.
Hosea 5:10 Judah's leaders are like those who move boundary stones. I will pour out my wrath on them like a flood of water.
Exodus 20:15-17 You shall not steal. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.
Prov 16:11 A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work.
Exodus 22:7-8 "If a man delivers to his neighbor money or goods to keep, and it is stolen out of the man's house, then, if the thief is found, he shall pay double. If the thief is not found, the owner of the house shall come near to God, to show whether or not he has put his hand to his neighbor's goods.
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