Is forgiveness even POSSIBLE?

[Ham]

Unbelievable.. or amazing. how a con artist can label a *wayward* christian as a hater of the words of Jesus.. don't you think?

an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

I dunno..

some of the kids chose to flee from "zion"..

seems those who choose to hang around the fort.. inherit the curse..

Edited September 21, 2010 by Ham

[teachmevp]

What about the Day of Yahweh, will Yahweh have forgiveness for the Gentiles on this earth?

Should we have forgiveness for the cons, will Yahweh have forgiveness for them in the Day

of Yahweh, even if they don't get that number? Why should the cons have the best of both ages?

It's like that Pink Floyd song "Dogs" from that Animals 8 track, skyrider has a good point with 2 Peter,

the dogs are going down?

[Ham]

Just curious..

and.. where do you think us "gentiles" came from?

I know my origins..

it wasn't frog breath or anything..

I'd say more, but people think (or rightfully KNOW) I'm nuts to begin with. or am I..

[Ham]

If you figure in Christian terms, you have to figure in Jewish(?) mysticism..

The Almighty sacrificed part of Himself for creation..

and in the end in Christian terms, part of Himself for redemption..

maybe part plus part equals whole..

if everything was perfect, it would be so boring..

If all you go by is the first half.. that is.. we are God's blood.. it would be enough, wouldn't it?

Edited September 23, 2010 by Ham

[waysider]

I know my origins..

it wasn't frog breath or anything..

You talk about frog breath like it's bad thing.

:P

[teachmevp]

Just curious..

and.. where do you think us "gentiles" came from?

I know my origins..

it wasn't frog breath or anything..

I'd say more, but people think (or rightfully KNOW) I'm nuts to begin with. or am I..

I'm a mutt, a little of this, a little of that; it's kinda cool, a mutt has got a shot at what

came about through Isaac? I'm not of that seed that came through Isaac, but us mutt's

got a shot at being joint heirs with the seed that came through Isaac? But what do us nuts

know, you know?

[Ham]

as to the original question..

is forgiveness even possible..

I'd have to vote yes.

despite the double dealings from those supposedly in charge..

no, I really don't think they can fool themselves..

they will eventually have to forgive themselves..

what's the alternative?

Ha! Frog breath is like Squirrel Breath..

I mean.. it's ok and all. But there are those who want to know if the Squirrel has had its shots..

I'm a mutt, a little of this, a little of that; it's kinda cool, a mutt has got a shot at what

came about through Isaac? I'm not of that seed that came through Isaac, but us mutt's

got a shot at being joint heirs with the seed that came through Isaac? But what do us nuts

know, you know?

some of us were sent to participate.. some of us were sent to observe..

often it didn't make any difference through which seed we were sent..

Edited September 23, 2010 by Ham

[teachmevp]

Sorry buddy, I was trying to show that Gentile thing, being a Gentile

mutt, I'm not of that thing through Isaac.

[Ham]

then.. what are you?

just a question..

maybe the first response off of the top of your head..

*I am*... what? who?

the answer I've seen is at the worst described as a "gift"..

It starts with an "m"..

Heh.. there are ten kazillion others waiting to answer the same question..

I hope they get their turn..

[teachmevp]

I am...what? who?

I am clueless to whatever blood flowing through me, but what matters

is I am not under that curse of the law that came through Isaac? Who

be me, I am a twister of a Rubik's revenge, I can twist that cube in shape

once or twice every 25 attempts, I am one who keeps twisting at things,

just keep twisting on?

[Ham]

so.. you are.... *me*.

I haven't been able to twist Rubiks' as such.. but I can twist quite a few nasty Integrals..

[Ham]

I am only about 70 percent geometrical in thinking.. the rest is like a blind man, beating the surrounding environment with a cane, trying to find my bearings..

Ha..don't get too close..

[teachmevp]

I never twisted a Integrals, or know what one is, but what is a nasty Integrals?

[Ham]

Int 0 to infinity e^-x^2 dx..

too bad Latex doesn't work here, otherwise it would look "pretty"..

the answer is the square root of pi over two..

mathematicians love beating around in the dark with a cane..

[teachmevp]

I am only about 70 percent geometrical in thinking.. the rest is like a blind man, beating the surrounding environment with a cane, trying to find my bearings..

Ha..don't get too close..

I'm not the sharpest crayon in the box, it would be cool to take away the cane from the Way,

they became blind?

[Ham]

perhaps..

yeah. they tossed out the only mathematician they had that I know of... Walter.

they are on their own..

[teachmevp]

VeePee put on robes, and got the dough, and all that came along with money?

I didn't really know Walter, did he do that "also" work in a writing? Then Martindale,

and the last whisper of VeePee before he died, in the ear of that dude who lives on

a lake in Main, the money rolled on, but that dancing thing kinda bit the dust?

[cheranne]

There is a whole prison system of people that have been forgiven(but not has the victim forgotten)

[Ham]

I love forgiveness..

just don't take it back..

forgiveness.. is for lack of better words.. some serious s*it..

do you forgive.. or not..

what is it that you are forgiving for, and why?

I won't say where *true* forgiveness, from other parties would logically end up at..

but I was not malevolent, only clueless..

Edited September 26, 2010 by Ham

[Ham]

I dunno.. it seems to take more power than *self* to perform this forgiveness..

for the most part..

I had a dream several nights ago.. it was about a character who I owed a stinking insignificant $10.00

he took a post dated check I had written and crossed out the date..

it ended up costing me $110.00 + including court costs..

[sirguessalot]

ive forgiven some folks for some pretty heinous .... in my life. not lucky enough to have made it all the way through the fire though. plenty of other events im currently working on.

odd thing i discovered one day, while working on the most vile and violent chapters of my earlier experience, involved the opposite of forgiveness. i blamed my self for not being able to stop it. i blamed the person for the pain and damage they created. i blamed their family for creating them. i blamed their culture for creating family. i blamed humanity for creating the culture. i blamed earth for creating humanity. i blamed the sun for creating earth. i blamed the universe for creating the sun. i blamed God for creating the universe...

some Christians say that we are not free until our heart is completely broken ...open...by God.

so, no promises, but maybe try blame instead.

[excathedra]

some Christians say that we are not free until our heart is completely broken ...open...by God.

so, no promises, but maybe try blame instead.

this i understand

[chockfull]

My feelings regarding the terms blame and forgiveness are that for most they presume to place altogether too much power in my hands. I am not responsible for either the sins or the absolution of other human beings. Pretending to have this responsibility gives me no miraculous sense of freedom. My freedom lies in Christ, and it doesn't hinge upon actions of either blaming or forgiving abusers.

[Ham]

Very good comments..

very intriguing.. the power to "forgive".. is too much power in my hands..

very very interesting..

[Ham]

Going where the orange sun has never died

And your swirling marble eyes shine

Laughing

Burning through the light

Bittersweet the drops of life

Memories only fading

Fancy Colours, fancy Colours

All we ever did see

When we're down at the sea

We see things so very bright at the sea

Fancy Colours, fancy Colours

All we ever can do

The morning covered with dew

We do things so very fine at the dew

Fancy Colours, fancy Colours

All we ever do hear

The world wether we're hear or there

We hear things so very fine when we're there