John 4:23; Are You Sure About Your Truth?

[teachmevp]

It is fun to reason out, what the old belief system has added into John; it is a fact that the gospel of John must be read, starting after the six temptations of Yeshua, John is part of a storyline. We should be able to reason the fact that Yeshua had pure blood, the same pure blood Adam had; John 1:1-1:5 shows this using the word Wisdom, instead of Logos? The first Adam didn’t stand his ground, and got tricked, not Yeshua the Messiah? Yeshua stood his ground, as a result, the writer is showing us, look at the wisdom of Yahweh, wow, to allow his son to under go such a thing, would we let our kids go through that? Genesis 3:15 is getting under way here, we should let the story, tell the storyline?

Without the old belief system;

Then Satan left Yeshua; and lo, angels come, and ministered to him. Wisdom was in the beginning, and that very wisdom was with Yahweh, and Yahweh was that wisdom. Wisdom was in the beginning with Yahweh. Everything came to be by Yahweh’s hand; and without Yahweh not even one thing that was created came to be. The life is in Yahweh, that life is the light of men; and this light shines in the darkness; and the darkness apprehended it not. John testified of Yeshua, and cried, and said, “This is he, of whom I said, that he comes after me, and is before me.” And this is the testimony of John, when the Israelites sent to him priests and levites, to ask him, “Who are you?” And he confessed, and denied not, but confessed, “I am not the Messiah.” And they ask him again, “Who then? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” “Are you a prophet?” And he said, “No.” And they said to him, “Who are you? That we may an answer to them that sent us. What say you of yourself?” And they who were sent, were of the Pharisees; and they asked him, and said to him, “Why then baptize you, if you are not the Messiah, nor Elijah, nor a prophet?” John answered, saying to them, “I baptize with water; but among you stands one whom you do not know. He it is that comes after me, and is before me, the one, even the strings of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie.” These things occurred in Bethany, where John was baptizing. The day after, John saw Yeshua coming towards him, and said, “Behold, the lamb of Yahweh, that bears the sin of Israel. This is he of whom I said, after me comes a man, who is before me, and I knew him not; but that he might be known to Israel, therefore, am I come baptizing with water; and I saw power, yea, the powerful power of Yahweh descend from the sky, as a dove, and it rested upon him; and I did not know him; but Yahweh, who sent me to baptize with water said to me, the one upon whom you see power from on high descending and resting, he is the one who will baptize with power, yea, the powerful power of Yahweh; and I saw; and I testify, that this is the son of Yahweh.”

Now if adding Logos wasn’t enough, this context of John 3:11-3:21 added into the storyline, here is other one of them old belief system shots? Their in Romans, anything afore time? Is not this storyline part of the afore time, before the day of Pentecost their in Acts chapter 2?

Without the old belief system added;

Afterwards Yeshua went down to Capernaum, he and his mother, and his brothers, and his disciples; and they were there a few days; and the Passover of the Israelites drew near; and Yeshua went up to Jerusalem; and he found in the temple courts those who sold beeves, and sheep, and doves, and the moneychangers sitting there; and he made himself a whip from a cord, and turned them all out of the temple courts, and the sheep, and the beeves, and the moneychangers; and he poured out their money, and overset their tables; and he said to them that sold doves, “Take away these things; and make not my Father’s House, a House of trading.” But the Israelites replied, saying to him, “What sign show you to us, since you do these things?” Yeshua answered, saying to them, “Tear down this temple, and in three days it will raise up.” The Israelites said to him, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” And while Yeshua was in Jerusalem, at the feast of the Passover, many believed in him, because they saw the miracles which he did; and there was a man of the Pharisees there whose name was Nicodemus, a ruler of the Israelites, and he came to Yeshua by night, and said to him, “Teacher, we know that you are a teacher sent from Yahweh; for no man can do these miracles that you are doing, unless Yahweh is with him.” Yeshua replied, saying to him, “Truly I say to you, that, unless a man be born anew, he cannot behold the sovereignty of Yahweh.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can an old man be born? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?” Yeshua replied, saying to him, “Truly I say to you, that, unless a man be born of water and new nature, he cannot enter the sovereignty of Yahweh. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of new nature, is new nature. Be not surprised that I said to you, you must be born of new nature.” Nicodemus answered, saying to him, “How can these things be?” Yeshua answered, saying to him, “Are you a teacher of Israel, and yet you do not understand these things?” After these things, came Yeshua and his disciples into the land of Judah.

Why didn’t VeePee work the rest of Bullinger’s work in Appendix 101? VeePee had no problem taking that gods spirit talks to your spirit out of Appendix 101; John 4:23 should be “in new nature and truth?” This new nature is a cool word study, what is too cool, is that in Galatians 5:22, their is that new nature again? It sure seems like VeePee saw this new nature in that Appendix 101, VeePee went for that money, no money in this new nature? I can’t even get someone to reason this work out with, and I am on the one broad, where the sharpest researching minds are? I sure put down a solid case on this gospel of John, unlike no one has ever reasoned it out in this day and time? Say what one will about John, all I have to do is put John into the storyline, their is no getting around the monotheism of the Israelites?

[teachmevp]

For all those that are caught up in this compassion for this world, will you be mad at

Yahweh, when you find yourself in the Day of Yahweh? For all those that are caught up

in this love for the people wrapped up in this world, will you be mad at Yahweh, when

you find yourself in the Day of Yahweh? Are you sure about your truth? Not one man or

woman on the face of this earth, can out reason, the reasonings put forth on this thread?

Oops, your worldly reasonings of these man made religions that you hold so dear, are

going to get you into the Day of Yahweh, don't be mad at Yahweh, are you sure about

your truth? The gathering together is a coming, don't get mad at Yahweh, when you find

yourself in the Day of Yahweh, because you have a worldly point of view, and a worldly

opinion of Yahweh? Do not get fooled, your opinion will not be worth a hill of beans, when

Yahweh's wrath comes down on you, in the Day of Yahweh?

[socks]

Hey there friend - no offense and I'm speaking for myself but I don't understand nearly anything of what you write.

It simply doesn't make grammatical sense, the words and how they're strung together and some of the euphimisms you use, the expressions, etc.

I've asked for some clarification on certain things but for the life of me I still dont' understand exactly what you're talking about - you refer to old beilief, spirit stuff, Day of Yahweh, things you're written but don't provide links to them. I haven't ready any of the reams of things you've said you've written, can't find them and won't have the time to anytime soon.

I am here now reading though and I just don't get most of what you write. So please, don't get ants in your pants because no one's responding, because if anyone else is having the same problem, I can't find a place to start to get a grip on most of what you're posting.

I wouldn't have said anything but now you're bringing down the wrath of your god on all of us because we're not getting onboard.

And YES. For the record and beyond Bullinger's App. 101, VPW, your latest thesis on whatever's got your goat today and anyone else's hair brained religious scam this week - I'm very sure of my truth. So sure - I don't need you or anyone else to validate it, agree, disagree or change so you can keep me company.

*** That reads harsh there friend - I don't mean it to be. I trust you'll accept it in the spirit of it's giving. Don't take it as gospel, it's just me tapping away. Please feel free to disagree, I won't melt.

[Human without the bean]

I understood it. He's using the language of the old testament and putting it in the new. Different but I understood what is was that teach was writing! A new spin on things. :D

[teachmevp]

Hi socks,

my grammatical sense, euphemisms, the expressions, you are right their, that

stuff is way over my head. In high school, I learned one thing really good, typing;

I don't know why typing came so easy, but it was cool banging on them keys; but

spelling and all that english stuff, that went right over my head. I graduated when

I was 21, I tried to go to a real high school, no, that was way over my head; but in

Cheyenne their was this alternate high school like thing. I know the word I was to say

instead of alternate, but I can't even spell that word close enough for the spell checker

to give me the spelling, but the party was on in them days socks, it was on. I went to

PFAL on mushrooms, I was sitting on a couch we my roommate came home and said,

I got a ride from this hot bible teaching chick, she teaches in her home. I said, let's go

chech out the hot bible chick. So David Skovel the wow that year shows up at the door,

pot smoke porring out the door, and we were off, got to the house, their was a hot bible

teaching chick their. Now that woman put a eye lock on me, I had no fear of Yahweh,

I had no fear of this world, I had better start fearing that woman, right there and right

now! 11th corp, I don't know how to spell her name but I will try, Leslie ownens, she

married this ownens dude? We sat down to pray, and this Suzan she went 13th coro,

started to speak in tongues, I looked up, Leslie saw me looking up, and then at her.

That is why I started going to twig, that tongue, I did that one time when I was a little

kid, and I stopped because I thought I was cussing God out in another language. Leslie

came to my house one night before I took PFAL, and lead me in tongues; but that class

was like typing, I ate that stuff up. I truly was a hear, but my doer, was way out of whack.

Socks, the only thing I have to compare how I ate that class up, is your gaiter, was it work,

or did you eat that gaiter up, when you first picked up your gaiter?

Socks, the first time I took PFAL, we got a smoke break during session 5, I felt their was something

wrong, like your gaiter going out of tune, you feel something is wrong, but it took me over 30 years

to stubble across the answers to what I felt that day, you just reach out and tune your feeling something

wrong. I am just throwing all this crazy heart learning out their socks, no band wagon, nothing for sell;

but you are trinity; I am just trying to pull you out of that. Can you let that untuned gaiter go, at lease you

are going to try to tune that gaiter? I don't look at God, as a God, I have a Father, and not long ago, I learned

his name is Yahweh, from Christine Hayes; but I have crazy heart, I chase things. VeePee, if it snows I will teach,

not me, that is important Pops. I just stubble and bumble across learning, like stubbing across a link one night

on gaiters or something, and I saw your name, how cool socks plays the gaiter, I bet you are a lead gaiter, I am

a lead Jaws Harp player, a Jaws Harp depends on the band, only if the band will let me in, like Sweet Home Alabama,

no lead Jaws Harp; but Gypsy Queen by April Wine, yes, one mean lead can be played. You are the band socks, mean lead

gaiter, I have hung on Randy Rhode's stage monitor, six day camp out in Denver, in 0 to -10 weather; but one thing about

Randy Rhode, his foot work, I bet you have foot work socks? I wish I had foot work on my Jaws Harp, but I live week to week

from my job, I have been a line cook for over 30 years, one thing about a line cook, your never without a job. I have crazier

snow stories then VeePee has, his snow story were about the money; my snow stories were for me, my sister does call me

her nutty brother for nothing. I have no foot work, I know the people of the GreaseSpot Cafe knew these words, and how it

should be strung together, the best crazy heart on the face of the earth in the Cafe, so I never worried about my foot work;

but socks I bet you got a mean bunch of bottons under your foot, you control your lead; but I bet your not just a lead, you

go beyond, you learn something and take it beyond. Socks please don't play cover songs like the trinity, go beyond with

what VeePee ripped off, and take it beyond, Christine Hayes did, mind bending what is coming out of that woman's mouth?

I am not trying to Pi$$ on anybody's back, and telling them, it is raining, I am just stumbling and bumbling alone on this.

[teachmevp]

I understood it. He's using the language of the old testament and putting it in the new. Different but I understood what is was that teach was writing! A new spin on things. :D

I'm also trying to show how the new testament was put into the old testament,

their is no way, what Christine Hayes teaches is all I know about the old testament?

So I'm trying to show how John is part of storyline, but something was added that

got in the way of the storyline of John, so I tried my best to take out what was added?

[socks]

Keep at it, TM, just voicing my impressions. And not to well, I'll also admit. :)

I'm not "trinity" by any stretch of the imagination but I do believe Jesus Christ of the gospels is the Son of God, redeemer and savior.

Overall, I go with what is probably called "Pauline" doctrine, what's contained in the "new testament" of most bibles. There are lots of other early books by what are referred to as the "church fathers" that contain a great deal of good thought and inspiration that expands along those lines. That's what resonates with me and is reflected I believe in a huge amount of literature, both "religious" and "secular" throughout history as mankind attempts to increase in understanding.

I don't want to mislead you, I'm not "trinitarian" but I'm not going to change substantially in how I do understand Jesus Christ. I've learned, relearned and learned anew many things before, during and since the "Way" years of my life and it's all been great for me. I went from "trinity" theology 50 years ago to atheist, to agnostic to Christian and that was all by the time I was 21. I haven't changed away from that baseline understanding although I have studied, listened and learned from many others.

Anyway, I hope there are others who would contribute to your threads and can have some involvement.

[teachmevp]

Thanks socks, i'm all about the Pauline messages, I am a Gentile, but a Gentile not doing

what Paul is talking about. I know now, not to take the kindness of Yahweh lightly,to forget

my craziness as I grew, but it is in the struggles of our life's we grow with our Father, but

we have a high priest, a perfect high priest for us, as Paul tells us, Yeshua the Messiah. If

I get gathered up, it will be by the skin of teeth, it is hard to run that race? A good friend of

had this stock car, he took it the track, he was like 20 laps behind everybody, some guy was

hacking on him, my friend said, at least I was in their, I always remembered that saying.

What is important to me, is if I am wrong with this stuff I have been stumbling across, the

people of the Cafe, will show me where I am missing the boat? I'm using one page of what

VeePee ripped off, if VeePee did all that studying, I know he worked the rest of that Appendix

101 in Bullinger, but VeePee went for that robe and the dough, and used that 101 a different way,

and declared it, by writing books? Martindale should not have call people greasespots, one of them

greasespots built a Cafe, only a pure heart would come before the Cafe with one's reasoning, it is

the honst thing to do? Nobody pi$$'s on the back of a greasespot, and tell's them it is raining? So

I come before the greatest researchers of the word, on the face of this earth, the heart of the Cafe,

where the greasespots hangout. Socks, because of your involvement, I was able to start this thread,

you show me the answer to something I was trying to figure for over 30 years, thanks, hope you get

well.