First of all I apologize for the length of this but I'm boiling.
Just like Chas Farley, I have not had an opportunity to read all the forum and I hope this is not a repeat of someone else but I'm glad this is continuing because it's still the truth that counts.
One thing in HARV's letter that really got my blood boiling..
"The Board of Directors? memo to The Way Corps states that ?it will not be necessary for The Way International or any member of Mrs. Wierwille?s family to use any of their assets to pay for her care.? Based on our understanding of the facts, we stand by this statement.
It is interesting that your open letter does not dispute this fact. Nowhere in your letter do you state that it will be necessary for either you or other family members to contribute financial resources to cover your mother?s medical expenses."
"HERE IT COMES***"
"As indicated in our memo, the nursing home has confirmed that in the unlikely event a shortfall were to occur, Mrs. Wierwille will qualify for health care benefits offered by the government that will cover any shortfall. Using your words, your mother will be ?seen to? for life."
HOLY SMOKE IS THIS OFF THE WORD AND DR. WIERWILLES ORIGINAL INTENTIONS FOR THEIR CARE FOR HER. HE JUST LOVED THE GOVERNMENT IN HIS BUSINESS???NOT
NOW THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA STEP IN TO TAKE CARE OF MRS. WIERWILLE? THAT'S THEIR SOLUTION TO KEEPING THEIR MILLIONS? NOT GOD, AS THEY PROPOUND TO REPRESENT, BUT THE GOVERNMENT.
This is called MEDICAID folks when a person gets to that point, they are POOR, no $'S. Well, talk about THE ADVERSARY negating someone's LIFE LONG MINISTRY to have MRS. WIERWILLE have to be supported by the GOVERNMENT in a program that does not even cover certain new medications and treatments should they be necessary. HELLO, THIS IS THE SAME AS WELFARE. DR. WIERWILLE LOVED WELFARE!! NOT!! ARE THEY SO FAR IN LALA LAND....SICK JERKS.
SO THE WAY INTERNATIONAL HAS 'POTENTIALLY' PUT MRS. WIERWILLE IN A POSITION TO BE TOSSED TO THE GOVERNMENT'S CARE. Hey HARVE, YOU THE CHURCH are supposed to take care of the widows, you darn well take good care of the PEOPLE YOU LIKE; DM, etc.
Watch out DM, your meal ticket may be short too.
How sick is that, THEY ARE REALLY SICK, SICK, SICK!!! I AM SURE IT'S NOT BURDEN TO THE WIERWILLE FAMILY TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR MOTHER BY ANY MEANS, BUT MRS. WIERWILLE IS ENTITLED TO SOME OF THE BUCKS YOU HARVE SPEND ON YOURSELF AND THE REST OF THE LITTLE GREEDYS. I think a million dollars would not be to much of a settlement to Mrs. Wierwille for her years of service that probably only worked out to 5 cents an hour for years & years. How about it BOT, get the moths out.
Interesting there have not been many healings there for a long time, wonder why?
So Harve when are you going to ELEVATE CHRIST AS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH....? You are all so far off your rockers, you might as well join the Moonies
BOY OH BOY YOU $ISS ME OFF AND I WANT MY GOD, THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH TO MAGNIFY HIMSELF TO YOU HARVE AND ALL THE REST AT TWI: IN A BIG WAY..................
Sick, Sick, Sick
When are you Way Believer's gonna wake up and get the hell out of that evil dumb scripture quoting devilish place and really begin to live the Word again like THE REST OF US HAVE ALL SEEN.
2 Corinthians 11:14 Â And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Lorna Doone............
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1. Regarding TWI II's obligations to Mrs. Wierwille..........hey remember how much cashola they get in. They could find the money if they wanted to, just don't want to.
If you want to know the real reason "TWI II" can't get it together, this came to me today in an e-mail, while I was praying in the spirit. I love it, love it, love it.
One Sunday morning an old cowboy entered a church just before services were to begin. Although the old man and his clothes were
spotlessly clean, he wore jeans, a denim shirt and boots that were very worn and ragged. In his hand he carried a worn out old hat and an
equally worn out bible.
The church he entered was in a very upscale and exclusive part of the town. It was the largest and most beautiful church the old cowboy had ever seen. The people of the congregation were all dressed with expensive clothes and accessories.
As the cowboy took a seat, the others moved away from him. No one greeted, spoke to, or welcomed him. They were all appalled at his
appearance and did not attempt to hide it.
The preacher gave a long sermon about Hellfire and brimstone and a stern lecture on how much money the church needed to do God's work.
As the old cowboy was leaving the church, the preacher approached him and asked the cowboy to do him a favor. "Before you come back in here again, have a talk with God and ask him what He thinks would be appropriate attire for worship."
The old cowboy assured the preacher he would.
The next Sunday, he showed back up for the services wearing the same ragged jeans, shirt, boots, and hat. Once again he was completely shunned and ignored.
The preacher approached the man and said, "I thought I asked you to speak to God before you came back to our church."
"I did," replied the old cowboy.
"If you spoke to God, what did he tell you the proper attire should be for worshiping in here?" asked the preacher.
"Well, sir, God told me that He didn't have a clue what I should wear. He says He's never been here before."
We all knew that twi had really become a heartless, legalistic monster.....Still it took many of us by suprise to see how low they had still YET to descend in the catogory of decency.
Have you checked out the official website of TWI II lately. It reeks of documents from HEW & VPW's transfer of the property deeds. Now are they that lame that new people really care where the property came from. Like maybe they are trying on their website to throw some more digs and splash on how gooey the believers are. I agree with the post that ALL the "wonderful, sincere" present BOT's should have the same heart and deed over all their properties and inheritances. Maybe the Word would move. NOT
HARVE, FEAR IN THE HEART OF A MAN BRINGETH A SNARE...........ARE YOU TRUSTING IN THE LORD.
Thanks Lorna your post prompted me to look at TWI's site. One thing I've come to love about TWI is their lies, I mean they say TWI has been around for 61 years. Considering the founder was such a stickler for details and accuracy for the "word", but when it comes to TWI history they bend the rules. I think TWI was incorporated (that is they filed papers and secured a trade name) in 1955, my math may be off but I think this is TWI's 48th year "in business".
Now if I'm wrong please let me know, I think a 13 year variance is a bit of a stretch. However the number 13 is fitting.
Seth
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The website says that the auditorium was filled and that nearly 5,000 more called in to listen to the service from 15 countries (international countries, nonetheless).
It also says that they have 50 departments at the Ohio location. Why would you need 50 departments for such a small outfit?
I couldn't find anything about the snow storm on the website. I wonder why they don't put that on there?
No there is no research department. You, the almighty faithful followers of the way, are the research department. Everything that needs to be researched has apparently been researched and printed by twi and the way craps are studying the word diligently and they have all already researched everything. see? no need for a research dept.
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George, maybe it's becaue Mrs. W. couldn't "work" for the Way anymore. Which begs the question, just what does an 8 hour day of Harvey's "work" consist of? What do ANY of them do for "work"? I've bee
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jp decided to do that site and before that.... it was on here.... ?
LornaDoone
First of all I apologize for the length of this but I'm boiling.
Just like Chas Farley, I have not had an opportunity to read all the forum and I hope this is not a repeat of someone else but I'm glad this is continuing because it's still the truth that counts.
One thing in HARV's letter that really got my blood boiling..
"The Board of Directors? memo to The Way Corps states that ?it will not be necessary for The Way International or any member of Mrs. Wierwille?s family to use any of their assets to pay for her care.? Based on our understanding of the facts, we stand by this statement.
It is interesting that your open letter does not dispute this fact. Nowhere in your letter do you state that it will be necessary for either you or other family members to contribute financial resources to cover your mother?s medical expenses."
"HERE IT COMES***"
"As indicated in our memo, the nursing home has confirmed that in the unlikely event a shortfall were to occur, Mrs. Wierwille will qualify for health care benefits offered by the government that will cover any shortfall. Using your words, your mother will be ?seen to? for life."
HOLY SMOKE IS THIS OFF THE WORD AND DR. WIERWILLES ORIGINAL INTENTIONS FOR THEIR CARE FOR HER. HE JUST LOVED THE GOVERNMENT IN HIS BUSINESS???NOT
NOW THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA STEP IN TO TAKE CARE OF MRS. WIERWILLE? THAT'S THEIR SOLUTION TO KEEPING THEIR MILLIONS? NOT GOD, AS THEY PROPOUND TO REPRESENT, BUT THE GOVERNMENT.
This is called MEDICAID folks when a person gets to that point, they are POOR, no $'S. Well, talk about THE ADVERSARY negating someone's LIFE LONG MINISTRY to have MRS. WIERWILLE have to be supported by the GOVERNMENT in a program that does not even cover certain new medications and treatments should they be necessary. HELLO, THIS IS THE SAME AS WELFARE. DR. WIERWILLE LOVED WELFARE!! NOT!! ARE THEY SO FAR IN LALA LAND....SICK JERKS.
SO THE WAY INTERNATIONAL HAS 'POTENTIALLY' PUT MRS. WIERWILLE IN A POSITION TO BE TOSSED TO THE GOVERNMENT'S CARE. Hey HARVE, YOU THE CHURCH are supposed to take care of the widows, you darn well take good care of the PEOPLE YOU LIKE; DM, etc.
Watch out DM, your meal ticket may be short too.
How sick is that, THEY ARE REALLY SICK, SICK, SICK!!! I AM SURE IT'S NOT BURDEN TO THE WIERWILLE FAMILY TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR MOTHER BY ANY MEANS, BUT MRS. WIERWILLE IS ENTITLED TO SOME OF THE BUCKS YOU HARVE SPEND ON YOURSELF AND THE REST OF THE LITTLE GREEDYS. I think a million dollars would not be to much of a settlement to Mrs. Wierwille for her years of service that probably only worked out to 5 cents an hour for years & years. How about it BOT, get the moths out.
Interesting there have not been many healings there for a long time, wonder why?
So Harve when are you going to ELEVATE CHRIST AS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH....? You are all so far off your rockers, you might as well join the Moonies
BOY OH BOY YOU $ISS ME OFF AND I WANT MY GOD, THE FATHER OF JESUS CHRIST THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH TO MAGNIFY HIMSELF TO YOU HARVE AND ALL THE REST AT TWI: IN A BIG WAY..................
Sick, Sick, Sick
When are you Way Believer's gonna wake up and get the hell out of that evil dumb scripture quoting devilish place and really begin to live the Word again like THE REST OF US HAVE ALL SEEN.
2 Corinthians 11:14 Â And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Lorna Doone............
[This message was edited by LornaDoone on November 17, 2003 at 1:36.]
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1. Regarding TWI II's obligations to Mrs. Wierwille..........hey remember how much cashola they get in. They could find the money if they wanted to, just don't want to.
If you want to know the real reason "TWI II" can't get it together, this came to me today in an e-mail, while I was praying in the spirit. I love it, love it, love it.
One Sunday morning an old cowboy entered a church just before services were to begin. Although the old man and his clothes were
spotlessly clean, he wore jeans, a denim shirt and boots that were very worn and ragged. In his hand he carried a worn out old hat and an
equally worn out bible.
The church he entered was in a very upscale and exclusive part of the town. It was the largest and most beautiful church the old cowboy had ever seen. The people of the congregation were all dressed with expensive clothes and accessories.
As the cowboy took a seat, the others moved away from him. No one greeted, spoke to, or welcomed him. They were all appalled at his
appearance and did not attempt to hide it.
The preacher gave a long sermon about Hellfire and brimstone and a stern lecture on how much money the church needed to do God's work.
As the old cowboy was leaving the church, the preacher approached him and asked the cowboy to do him a favor. "Before you come back in here again, have a talk with God and ask him what He thinks would be appropriate attire for worship."
The old cowboy assured the preacher he would.
The next Sunday, he showed back up for the services wearing the same ragged jeans, shirt, boots, and hat. Once again he was completely shunned and ignored.
The preacher approached the man and said, "I thought I asked you to speak to God before you came back to our church."
"I did," replied the old cowboy.
"If you spoke to God, what did he tell you the proper attire should be for worshiping in here?" asked the preacher.
"Well, sir, God told me that He didn't have a clue what I should wear. He says He's never been here before."
Lorna.......love my cookies!
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Excellent Lorna....and so true.
We all knew that twi had really become a heartless, legalistic monster.....Still it took many of us by suprise to see how low they had still YET to descend in the catogory of decency.
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WELL SAID, Ms Doone. You really hit the old nail on the old headaroo.
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In the beggining for me anyhow VPW used to say where your best
whatever your best is, there was no dress code back then.
BTW that was funny!!!!!!!
I doubt if Gods ever been in the new auditorium.
Dovey....proud owner of two low riders...Dovey's Doxies...... Dovey
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wear your best
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BTY
Have you checked out the official website of TWI II lately. It reeks of documents from HEW & VPW's transfer of the property deeds. Now are they that lame that new people really care where the property came from. Like maybe they are trying on their website to throw some more digs and splash on how gooey the believers are. I agree with the post that ALL the "wonderful, sincere" present BOT's should have the same heart and deed over all their properties and inheritances. Maybe the Word would move. NOT
HARVE, FEAR IN THE HEART OF A MAN BRINGETH A SNARE...........ARE YOU TRUSTING IN THE LORD.
Barfffffffffffff!
Lorna.......love my cookies!
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Thanks Lorna your post prompted me to look at TWI's site. One thing I've come to love about TWI is their lies, I mean they say TWI has been around for 61 years. Considering the founder was such a stickler for details and accuracy for the "word", but when it comes to TWI history they bend the rules. I think TWI was incorporated (that is they filed papers and secured a trade name) in 1955, my math may be off but I think this is TWI's 48th year "in business".
Now if I'm wrong please let me know, I think a 13 year variance is a bit of a stretch. However the number 13 is fitting.
Seth
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Where is the Site that you are talking about, Lornadoone???
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TWI recons that the ministry began in 1942 with God speaking to VPW followed by the snow on the gas pumps.
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Goey
"Most of my fondest memories in TWI never really happened"
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Kit Sober
Snow on the pumps! Such an important date.
I thought we had a graphic artist create a picture of this.
Was it WayDale or Greasespot I that had a great thread on this subject.
Hope someone has it they can repost it.
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The website says that the auditorium was filled and that nearly 5,000 more called in to listen to the service from 15 countries (international countries, nonetheless).
It also says that they have 50 departments at the Ohio location. Why would you need 50 departments for such a small outfit?
I couldn't find anything about the snow storm on the website. I wonder why they don't put that on there?
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here is a list of departments I might expect to see, though I have little or no direct knowledge of them:
1 research department
2 food prep department
3 publishing department
4 printing department
5 press & pr department
6 accounting department
7 payroll department
8 building and grounds department
9 general legal department
10 purchasing department
11 procuring department
12 data processing department
13 motor pool department
14 off-grounds department
15 massage department
16 greasepot cafe monitoring department
17 reflections department (haircuts)
18 audio video (AV) department
19 way builders department
20 wow department
21 corps department
22 outreach department
23 outrage department
24 sunday night snooze department
25 WayGB (bleSS patrol) department
26 personnel management department
27 rumor and scandal-handling department
28 real estate investment department
29 assets investment department
30 travel department
31 3rd aid department (general medical)
32 4th aid department (works with the rumor & scandal folks)
33 trustee entertainment department
34 toadie grooming department
35 way teen department
36 way pre-teen department
37 way grade-schooler department
38 way infants & toddlers department
39 way seniors department
40 way woods grave-site grooming department
41 way chris geer lookout department (on grounds)
42 way doug mcmullen lookout department (on grounds)
43 way greasespot hijinks lookout department (on grounds)
44 way department tracking department
45 way budget and planning department
46 way slush fund and offshore banking department (all very legal, no doubt)
47 way BOT emeritus hush money department
48 way rosie and donna accommodation department
49 way give harve something to keep busy department
50 ???
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50-Rosie wants new wallpaper again department.
51-The Make Sure Howard stays in the yard department.
52-The witnessing by week headcount department.
53-The witnessing by month headcount department.
54-The witnessing by year headcount department.
55-The report report backs report report back department.
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wasway
56. The ABS twig-tally-sheet reconcilation and tithe registration department (only used to bless the household with tax infomation each January)
RIGHT!!!!!
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A full Auditorium and 5000(!) others on the phone?! Anybody buying those numbers? 14 international countries? Yeah...right...
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wasway
international countries???? as opposed to non-international countries??? HUH??
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I always thought the correct term was "foreign countries" (or is it ie?)
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Goey
Hmm?
Maybe 500 phone connections with an "estimated" 10 people at each. That makes 5000 - Right?
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TheInvisibleDan
Testing, testing...
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TheHighWay
Oh my gosh... between the department lists and the picture, best laugh I've had in WEEKS.
Thanks all !!
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QQ.
Who are you trying to kid?????
#1 Research Department???? there is no research going on!
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Sorry for being flip.....I know what you meant....
way rag
divine design
way disciple
way productions
translations
then there's the:
Cute young thing acquisition squad.
Christmas decorating committee
The Council on Medical Expense Declining
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Serious question: Does anyone know if there really is still a research department at TWI? Even if it's just a title?
Otherwise, LOVED the picture! :-)
Power for Alien Living? ;-)
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No there is no research department. You, the almighty faithful followers of the way, are the research department. Everything that needs to be researched has apparently been researched and printed by twi and the way craps are studying the word diligently and they have all already researched everything. see? no need for a research dept.
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