Thanks for sharing all of this. It is true, I too had to look at myself and say what inside of me allowed those things in my life? I'm in recovery and it's been a good thing for me. I'm still on the journey and there is much to learn and many ways to grow in. Thanks!
I am going to "Celebrate Recovery" and it has really helped me change the way I see things... I am glad you are also on the journey... The rewards are "freedom".
We are to love others "as ourselves". But first we need to love ourselves!
Only later comes laying down our lives for our friends.
Being "living sacrifices" does not mean laying down our lives as doormats.
We're to be harmless to others, and generous to them. Give to those in need. Not to those who come simply to steal, kill and destroy.
AND>>>
We are also commanded to be as wise (or wary) as serpents (or snakes). Tread firmly and confidently on the ground, and most snakes will disappear quietly into the undergrowth.
From your perspective, perhaps treading firmly and confidently means saying "No!" or "That's enough," or "This is a loan; what arrangements for repayment can you make?" And meaning it.
(Mind you, I don't claim to be an expert...still working out the balance for myself! :blush: )
My response is this. I was speaking more deeply than the examples given so here is another one~
“Daddy, will you play with me?” This was the last thing the man wanted to hear from his son. He had just come home from a very long day at work. He was tired, hungry and all he wanted to do before dinner was sit down, read the newspaper and relax. “Daddy PLEEEEEASE?”
Suddenly the man had an idea. He took a full page from the newspaper that had a picture of the world on it and tore it up into several small pieces. Next, he went to a drawer and got a scotch tape dispenser. He gave the pieces of paper and the tape to his son and said, “Here is a jigsaw puzzle of the world, Buddy. Take it to your room and put it together. As soon as you bring it back to me, I’ll play with you, OK?”
His son excitedly ran off to his room to put the puzzle together and the man sat back in his chair to read his paper, very proud of the fact that he had outsmarted his son and bought himself some time.
To the man’s surprise, his son returned a very short time later with the whole puzzle perfectly put together. “How in the world did you put that puzzle together so quickly?” he asked incredulously. “It would have taken me more than twice as long to do it myself!”
His son answered him, “Well, Daddy, the picture of the world you gave me was too hard for me to figure out. But I noticed that a picture of a man’s hand was on the back of one of the pieces. Then I looked at another one and I saw his foot. It was easier for me to put one man together than the whole world, so I just did that. Then I noticed that as the man came together, so did the world around him!”
Couldn't help being amazed by the symbolism behind that little story.
When you get yourself together the world around you changes.
It is and it is not as simple as saying "no". Pile on life around it. And one winds up in a cult where girls have sex with men to please God and people sell their homes to please a man of God. Simple: Just say no!
How do certain people get conned and others do not? How are some able to walk away and others stay? How do some people sleep with people they do not want to be with and some don't. It is more complicated and layered. It is what compels us to make choices that are not good choices for us. Guilt? An over sense of obligation? Confusion about Christian love? How do some people wind up sending money to a guy from Nigeria? What triggers you? What triggers me to make unwise choices? When I inventoried my own life and removed layers of "in put" I had to look at behaviors and responses I recognized over and over and over again.
It takes a lot of work, honesty, evaluation, forgiveness and willingness to change. It takes realizing when your life is out of control and you feel powerless and turning it over to one who has the power to change us ~ Jesus Christ.
It is involved. It is a process. It takes accountability for our own actions. Not just saying, "I was in a cult" or whatever situation you want to look at. And then digging into why "I" or why "You" were in a cult. What is my accountability?
I want change. And I have to realize the only thing I can change is me. When "I" change then the world around me changes.
I bet they have meetings in th UK if you want to check it out. It is a nice thing to do for yourself. :)
This is one little video showing one aspect of how life can "fall apart". But the answer in it, is ths answer for all areas that "fall apart". In each of our lives the "need" for resurrection is not in the "once saved always saved" thinking. We have a daily, if not minute by minute "need" for resurrection.... IMHO
It is a crazy life that makes parts or the whole of us crazy at times, because we live "here", in the disingenuous context of a fallen world.
But if we cleave onto GOD, not a group pretending to speak FOR him, but to GOD, we will be okay....
Groucho stated this several times (I paraphrase):
"Go to GOD to find God. And then, if you find a place to corporately worship that is great. But if you let a group find and define God for you ~ when the group gets distorted in their thinking ~ then your understanding of God can become distorted. Develop a personal relationship with GOD.... Don't ever surrender your personal relationship with God to anyone or anything... Retain your faith ~ unshakable!"
The insanity I allowed in my life? The biggest open door was my misunderstanding of love and being as God is love it was subsequently my lack of understanding God. So, I have been going to God to know him. And in my friendship with God, the doors, to the life he wants me to have, have flung open….
I contested the wrong teaching, congested thinking and askew behaviors. I stopped running, hiding, defending and excusing any and all of it. I accepted my own responsibility in any victimization. And when truly a victim, I stopped the course of reaction and instead "try" to always fight back with a logical, loving godly response.
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Thanks for sharing all of this. It is true, I too had to look at myself and say what inside of me allowed those things in my life? I'm in recovery and it's been a good thing for me. I'm still on the journey and there is much to learn and many ways to grow in. Thanks!
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I am going to "Celebrate Recovery" and it has really helped me change the way I see things... I am glad you are also on the journey... The rewards are "freedom".
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Good post, Dot.
We are to love others "as ourselves". But first we need to love ourselves!
Only later comes laying down our lives for our friends.
Being "living sacrifices" does not mean laying down our lives as doormats.
We're to be harmless to others, and generous to them. Give to those in need. Not to those who come simply to steal, kill and destroy.
AND>>>
We are also commanded to be as wise (or wary) as serpents (or snakes). Tread firmly and confidently on the ground, and most snakes will disappear quietly into the undergrowth.
From your perspective, perhaps treading firmly and confidently means saying "No!" or "That's enough," or "This is a loan; what arrangements for repayment can you make?" And meaning it.
(Mind you, I don't claim to be an expert...still working out the balance for myself! :blush: )
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Not here often.
My response is this. I was speaking more deeply than the examples given so here is another one~
“Daddy, will you play with me?” This was the last thing the man wanted to hear from his son. He had just come home from a very long day at work. He was tired, hungry and all he wanted to do before dinner was sit down, read the newspaper and relax. “Daddy PLEEEEEASE?”
Suddenly the man had an idea. He took a full page from the newspaper that had a picture of the world on it and tore it up into several small pieces. Next, he went to a drawer and got a scotch tape dispenser. He gave the pieces of paper and the tape to his son and said, “Here is a jigsaw puzzle of the world, Buddy. Take it to your room and put it together. As soon as you bring it back to me, I’ll play with you, OK?”
His son excitedly ran off to his room to put the puzzle together and the man sat back in his chair to read his paper, very proud of the fact that he had outsmarted his son and bought himself some time.
To the man’s surprise, his son returned a very short time later with the whole puzzle perfectly put together. “How in the world did you put that puzzle together so quickly?” he asked incredulously. “It would have taken me more than twice as long to do it myself!”
His son answered him, “Well, Daddy, the picture of the world you gave me was too hard for me to figure out. But I noticed that a picture of a man’s hand was on the back of one of the pieces. Then I looked at another one and I saw his foot. It was easier for me to put one man together than the whole world, so I just did that. Then I noticed that as the man came together, so did the world around him!”
Couldn't help being amazed by the symbolism behind that little story.
When you get yourself together the world around you changes.
It is and it is not as simple as saying "no". Pile on life around it. And one winds up in a cult where girls have sex with men to please God and people sell their homes to please a man of God. Simple: Just say no!
How do certain people get conned and others do not? How are some able to walk away and others stay? How do some people sleep with people they do not want to be with and some don't. It is more complicated and layered. It is what compels us to make choices that are not good choices for us. Guilt? An over sense of obligation? Confusion about Christian love? How do some people wind up sending money to a guy from Nigeria? What triggers you? What triggers me to make unwise choices? When I inventoried my own life and removed layers of "in put" I had to look at behaviors and responses I recognized over and over and over again.
It takes a lot of work, honesty, evaluation, forgiveness and willingness to change. It takes realizing when your life is out of control and you feel powerless and turning it over to one who has the power to change us ~ Jesus Christ.
It is involved. It is a process. It takes accountability for our own actions. Not just saying, "I was in a cult" or whatever situation you want to look at. And then digging into why "I" or why "You" were in a cult. What is my accountability?
I want change. And I have to realize the only thing I can change is me. When "I" change then the world around me changes.
I bet they have meetings in th UK if you want to check it out. It is a nice thing to do for yourself. :)
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You're awesome, Dot.
And no - it's not always simple.
And there are "layers" of "others" to take into account.
Celebrate recovery...sounds great.
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Twinky:
This is one little video showing one aspect of how life can "fall apart". But the answer in it, is ths answer for all areas that "fall apart". In each of our lives the "need" for resurrection is not in the "once saved always saved" thinking. We have a daily, if not minute by minute "need" for resurrection.... IMHO
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In conclusion:
It is a crazy life that makes parts or the whole of us crazy at times, because we live "here", in the disingenuous context of a fallen world.
But if we cleave onto GOD, not a group pretending to speak FOR him, but to GOD, we will be okay....
Groucho stated this several times (I paraphrase):
"Go to GOD to find God. And then, if you find a place to corporately worship that is great. But if you let a group find and define God for you ~ when the group gets distorted in their thinking ~ then your understanding of God can become distorted. Develop a personal relationship with GOD.... Don't ever surrender your personal relationship with God to anyone or anything... Retain your faith ~ unshakable!"
The insanity I allowed in my life? The biggest open door was my misunderstanding of love and being as God is love it was subsequently my lack of understanding God. So, I have been going to God to know him. And in my friendship with God, the doors, to the life he wants me to have, have flung open….
I contested the wrong teaching, congested thinking and askew behaviors. I stopped running, hiding, defending and excusing any and all of it. I accepted my own responsibility in any victimization. And when truly a victim, I stopped the course of reaction and instead "try" to always fight back with a logical, loving godly response.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0TvoCZJAJI&feature=related
See your life through the eyes of God....
There are things in life you'll learn and
In time you'll see
Cause out there somewhere
It's all waiting
If you keep believing
So don't run, don't hide
It will be all right
You'll see, trust me
I'll be there watching over you
Just take a look through my eyes
There's a better place
somewhere out there
Just take a look through my eyes
Everything changes
You'll be amazed what you'll find
If you look through my eyes
There will be times on this journey
All you'll see is darkness
Out there somewhere daylight finds you
If you keep believing
So don't run, don't hide
It will be all right
You'll see, trust me
I'll be there watching over you
Just take a look through my eyes
There's a better place
somewhere out there
Just take a look through my eyes
Everything changes
You'll be amazed what you'll find
If you look through my eyes
All the things that you can change
There's a meaning in everything
And you will find all you need
There's so much to understand
Just take a look through my eyes
There's a better place
somewhere out there
Just take a look through my eyes
Everything changes
You'll be amazed what you'll find
If you look through my eyes
Take a look through my eyes
I leave you with love...
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god is love as is christ
that's nice eh?
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Very... :)
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truth is a pathless place, isn't it really?
:)
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