know of this book because Glenn Beck recommends it. So Wierwille really was in reality a socialist/communist, despite his John Birch mentality? :unsure: :wacko: :blink:
Well, early on, Weirwille had to establish some credentials for himself. Pike's Peak, though not a credited University, made him a Doctor. Dr. Weirwille just sounds better, even if he doesn't get any dormitory stories to share out of it. It was never for him (the title) it was for the benefit of others. Being able to have that "Doctor" (and he used it well) made all the difference. By the time they figured it out. He had their money.
"INDIVIDUALISM, in contrast to socialism and all other forms of totalitarianism, is based on the respect of Christianity for the individual man and the belief that it is desirable that men should be free to develop their own individual gifts and bents."
Now this is just promoting someone else's agenda. Why bring Christianity into it? It doesn't need to be there, and it doesn't add anything, except to promote someone else's agenda. It's bringing one aspect of Christianity into an argument, without bringing the whole spectrum of Christianity into it - like our service to fellow men. Did not Christ himself lay aside his individuality?
Phil 2:7 But [Christ] made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant...
Doesn't sound like too much "individualism" there.
...the belief that it is desirable that men should be free to develop their own individual gifts and bents...
Is this a "Christian belief"? (Or is Christian belief in the redemptive power of the resurrection, given to all who believe - not just to individuals, LOL?)
Or is it taking the phrase "spiritual gifts" which are for the aid to the congregation, way out of context?
So what's his agenda, the author of this quote?
The road to the control of others is well-worn and is based on creating fear in, then dependence of, the "controllee." And it's been around as long as civilization.
Wierwille probably learned the basics at the hands of his belt-wielding father, from reports elsewhere at the Cafe.
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any [of them] that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid [them] down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
??
I'm not promoting a completely socialist society, or what have you, but there has to be a BALANCE. As Christians (and as HUMANS) we need to be able to develop ourselves as individuals, and then also be able to benefit humanity as a whole. None of that is based on fear.
In order to achieve his ends, wierwille had to create power.
The lightbulb turned on after wierwille sat thru BG Leonard's class "The Gifts of the Spirit" in 1953 and seeing the potential for a class-structured business/ministry model. With this newfound approach, wierwille began teaching this class *as his own* and started moving towards the exit doors of his pastorate work in Van Wert, Ohio (1957).
Until Leonard's class, wierwille slogged along the well-worn path of the church system.
With Leonard's class, wierwille started paving The Road to Waydom. His feigned interest of 'helping others' materialized into a self-serving totalitarian village of indulgences, adulation and unaccountability. Wierwille created a system of power.......for wierwille.
The "similarities" of the wierwille system, oppressor over oppressee, is well noted on GS....yet, some newbies to GS are still unshackling the chains of bondage.
IMO.....wierwille's corps program was a lifetime of servitude to twi. Every major event prompted coercion from corps "volunteers" to string chairs, serve food, bless patrol shifts, usher, etc. etc. While the 'lords' dined, the 'serfs' were busy in this manipulated, enforced labor.....and the 'protection for the adversary' was one of their 'extended favors.'
The "similarities" of the wierwille system, oppressor over oppressee, is well noted on GS....yet, some newbies to GS are still unshackling the chains of bondage.
IMO.....wierwille's corps program was a lifetime of servitude to twi. Every major event prompted coercion from corps "volunteers" to string chairs, serve food, bless patrol shifts, usher, etc. etc. While the 'lords' dined, the 'serfs' were busy in this manipulated, enforced labor.....and the 'protection for the adversary' was one of their 'extended favors.'
Well documented it may be and relevant at that. But the newbies, like me, have come along and laid waste to the kinder, gentler way international. Rosalie has erected a facade of change. She has let people draw their own erroneous conclusions by making changes in appearance but not recanting the former errors. Perhaps they are in a pickle from explicitly demanding so much in the old days? Either way.
My point is there are a lot of people hoodwinked into thinking it's all different now and Rosalie is the great catalyst for change, God's healer of broken hearts if you will. In reality she is cast from the same legalistic mold as her predecessors and has only furthered their work in preserving a system based on lies, abuse, and manipulation. I only hope more newbies break out of that place and come along to give a witness so we can compare notes and see that nothing has really changed. It's an honor to leave my own testimony alongside the others.
Rosie may look like a nice, sweet, old lady who would never hurt a fly... The first clue there is still something wrong in wayville is the fact NO APOLOGIES HAVE BEEN MADE. And NO REAL EXPLANATION HAS BEEN GIVEN to ANYONE about what happened with LCM.
Nope.
Instead, they watered down the teachings, told everyone to act nicely, and covered up the poop with a bunch of fake sweet sugar... still doesn't taste like fudge, though.
And they still ruin people's lives. they just don't do it as publically as they used to.
If it is rotten at the root, it is rotten at the core.
The smaller the Way Corps is,.... the more obvious it becomes about who cleans the toilets etc. The Corps will eventually die out if they don't change that. I mean, when there's only a few of them, and their all scrubbing commodes ............. lol No one's gonna want to go Corps!
was thinking of Mr. Linder(if that is wrong 1st name, sorry)
Heheheh! No harm, no foul. Chuck fits him just fine. (no offense to legitimate Chucks out there_ _)
To quote Zechariah, "his name is John."
Really, his star had been waning for some time now and I would wager he is relieved. He's an interesting person. He's like Darth Vader....there is some good in there. But he has had a rough go of it. And like Thomas Beckett, allowed himself to blindly fulfill the role the position dictated. He wronged many people and has willingly been the tip of the spear for many years. So, sympathy?...No! Empathy?...a little.
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know of this book because Glenn Beck recommends it. So Wierwille really was in reality a socialist/communist, despite his John Birch mentality?
:unsure: 
:wacko: :blink: 
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Well, early on, Weirwille had to establish some credentials for himself. Pike's Peak, though not a credited University, made him a Doctor. Dr. Weirwille just sounds better, even if he doesn't get any dormitory stories to share out of it. It was never for him (the title) it was for the benefit of others. Being able to have that "Doctor" (and he used it well) made all the difference. By the time they figured it out. He had their money.
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Now this is just promoting someone else's agenda. Why bring Christianity into it? It doesn't need to be there, and it doesn't add anything, except to promote someone else's agenda. It's bringing one aspect of Christianity into an argument, without bringing the whole spectrum of Christianity into it - like our service to fellow men. Did not Christ himself lay aside his individuality?
Phil 2:7 But [Christ] made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant...
Doesn't sound like too much "individualism" there.
...the belief that it is desirable that men should be free to develop their own individual gifts and bents...
Is this a "Christian belief"? (Or is Christian belief in the redemptive power of the resurrection, given to all who believe - not just to individuals, LOL?)
Or is it taking the phrase "spiritual gifts" which are for the aid to the congregation, way out of context?
So what's his agenda, the author of this quote?
The road to the control of others is well-worn and is based on creating fear in, then dependence of, the "controllee." And it's been around as long as civilization.
Wierwille probably learned the basics at the hands of his belt-wielding father, from reports elsewhere at the Cafe.
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Twinky got me thinking... what about:
Acts 4:32-4:35
And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any [of them] that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
And laid [them] down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
??
I'm not promoting a completely socialist society, or what have you, but there has to be a BALANCE. As Christians (and as HUMANS) we need to be able to develop ourselves as individuals, and then also be able to benefit humanity as a whole. None of that is based on fear.
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The "similarities" of the wierwille system, oppressor over oppressee, is well noted on GS....yet, some newbies to GS are still unshackling the chains of bondage.
IMO.....wierwille's corps program was a lifetime of servitude to twi. Every major event prompted coercion from corps "volunteers" to string chairs, serve food, bless patrol shifts, usher, etc. etc. While the 'lords' dined, the 'serfs' were busy in this manipulated, enforced labor.....and the 'protection for the adversary' was one of their 'extended favors.'
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Well documented it may be and relevant at that. But the newbies, like me, have come along and laid waste to the kinder, gentler way international. Rosalie has erected a facade of change. She has let people draw their own erroneous conclusions by making changes in appearance but not recanting the former errors. Perhaps they are in a pickle from explicitly demanding so much in the old days? Either way.
My point is there are a lot of people hoodwinked into thinking it's all different now and Rosalie is the great catalyst for change, God's healer of broken hearts if you will. In reality she is cast from the same legalistic mold as her predecessors and has only furthered their work in preserving a system based on lies, abuse, and manipulation. I only hope more newbies break out of that place and come along to give a witness so we can compare notes and see that nothing has really changed. It's an honor to leave my own testimony alongside the others.
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Rosie may look like a nice, sweet, old lady who would never hurt a fly... The first clue there is still something wrong in wayville is the fact NO APOLOGIES HAVE BEEN MADE. And NO REAL EXPLANATION HAS BEEN GIVEN to ANYONE about what happened with LCM.
Nope.
Instead, they watered down the teachings, told everyone to act nicely, and covered up the poop with a bunch of fake sweet sugar... still doesn't taste like fudge, though.
And they still ruin people's lives. they just don't do it as publically as they used to.
If it is rotten at the root, it is rotten at the core.
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The smaller the Way Corps is,.... the more obvious it becomes about who cleans the toilets etc. The Corps will eventually die out if they don't change that. I mean, when there's only a few of them, and their all scrubbing commodes ............. lol No one's gonna want to go Corps!
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you mean Roslie, Donna, Chuck, and Howard aren't going to be the new maid service @TWIHQ?
OMG! 
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Who is Chuck?
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was thinking of Mr. Linder(if that is wrong 1st name, sorry)
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Heheheh! No harm, no foul. Chuck fits him just fine. (no offense to legitimate Chucks out there_
_)
To quote Zechariah, "his name is John."
Really, his star had been waning for some time now and I would wager he is relieved. He's an interesting person. He's like Darth Vader....there is some good in there. But he has had a rough go of it. And like Thomas Beckett, allowed himself to blindly fulfill the role the position dictated. He wronged many people and has willingly been the tip of the spear for many years. So, sympathy?...No! Empathy?...a little.
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OldSkool, that is exactly the impression I had of him, too.
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