So what's the solution? Genius. Make your own publishing company. Call it American Christian Press. After all, questioning an organization like that would be simply unpatriotic, wouldn't it? It solves all these problems. First, we can avoid all of those pesky questions. After all, many of the people we've liberally used work from are all either dead or old enough they won't take legal action. Next, we can avoid paying people and just have staff people do the work - can pay them slave wages. And finally, it really establishes your "legacy" for some other opportunist (cough, cough, Q-Tip) to come along and capitalize on the written material to build their own empire built upon the "genuine foundations".
All in all, quite a clever play, there.
Discuss.
O.K. After working with a self published client recently who gave his publication legitimacy by hiring an attorney to incorporate his own "press," that was nothing more than an entity filed with the State I am thinking real hard about what you are saying. I had never considered American Christian Press (ACP) but remember it stamped all over TWI publications. So, does anyone have the skinny on the official reasons this was started? I mean, wtf is ACP all about? If chockfull is off base, which I doubt, then someone please come through and debunk the hypothesis.
O.K. After working with a self published client recently who gave his publication legitimacy by hiring an attorney to incorporate his own "press," that was nothing more than an entity filed with the State I am thinking real hard about what you are saying. I had never considered American Christian Press (ACP) but remember it stamped all over TWI publications. So, does anyone have the skinny on the official reasons this was started? I mean, wtf is ACP all about? If chockfull is off base, which I doubt, then someone please come through and debunk the hypothesis.
It was LAZINESS!
First, victor paul wierwille went up to Canada, took BG Leonard's class,
and came back, plagiarizing Leonard's class as "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today"
(later "Power For Abundant Living"). Then victor paul wierwille plagiarized
JE Stiles' book "Gift of the Holy Spirit" as the first edition textbook of
that same class- and named the publishing company by plagiarizing the name
of the publishing company Leonard set up- CANADIAN CHRISTIAN PRESS.
That was 1953 and 1953-1954, respectively.
He was a plagiarist, he intended to deceive the students when he
said it was his class, and when he said it was his book.
Need more?
The VERY FIRST class, he ASKED Leonard for permission to run LEONARD'S CLASS.
All people who took Leonard's class were automatically considered grads
of "vpw's" class. (A handful traveled with vpw when he sat through Leonard's
class a "second" time- he had interrupted a class in progress the first
time, and Leonard generously allowed him to take the class he interrupted
even though it wasn't his normal policy.)
When speaking to Leonard, he said he's run Leonard's class once. He took
a photo of that class, and sent it to Leonard, and that's the last he
told Leonard. Leonard, meanwhile, added the photo to his scrapbook and
believed a supposed fellow Christian wouldn't lie to him.
(One of our fellow posters later took Leonard's class, AND got to
look through his photo album AND identified the photo.)
Meanwhile, what did he tell those students? He said it was HIS class
and never mentioned Leonard to them. He kept a copy of the photo for
his own records, and after that class, he continued to run Leonard's
class with the new name and pocket the money.
vpw slowly built "his" church ministry on this. He did this while still
on the payroll of his denomination, and waited a few years before severing
ties with them. He continued to rely on "his" class and "his" ministry
(grads who stuck around), which accounted for a very small number of people
staying with him for significant periods of time, but allowed him to make
a living at it. (BTW, he regularly taught sermons, but he also kept a library
hidden that was composed of sermons and work from other Christians- and he
regularly drew from those for the sermons. He didn't write sermons from scratch-
mostly he retaught their sermons. I got that from one of the few people who got
to SEE and HANDLE those books, back when vpw still referenced them-which he
continued to do for THE REST OF HIS LIFE.)
This changed shortly after he read about the House of Acts in Haight-Ashbury.
He immediately went to San Fransicso to hijack the hippies. He convinced real
Christians among them to work with him. THEY worked for God on the East Coast
and West Coast, and membership numbers skyrocketed in the space of 2-3 years.
Once the numbers were up, then vpw kicked out the former hippies that were
responsible for all the numbers.
twi's growth was the combination of the class of Leonard's, the book of Stiles,
and the Christian ministries of men like H33fn3r and D00p.
(With some additions here and there from other authors like Bullinger and Kenyon.)
The man's entire ministry was based on plagiarizing the work of others, and hiding
The man's entire ministry was based on plagiarizing the work of others, and hiding
the sources so he didn't go to jail.
Thank you very much for taking the time to post / re-post that information! I have 0 respect for VPW, the man was a fake, cook, liar, sexual predator, etc - and the way international has him on a pedestal so all can come by and worship the memory of him they have worked so carefully to concoct and preserve.
Yeah, but ya gotta admit, before The Way Ministry burst on the scene, who really ever thought about re-using disposable coffee cups?
No one else I had ever been around. Funny how stuff like that has way of leaving a REAL nasty impression. While people were doing really disgusting stuff, like reusing these cups, Vicster had millions stashed away in his coffers of the same people's money who were forced to swap spit via reused, disposable cups. Oh the irony.
The man's entire ministry was based on plagiarizing the work of others, and hiding the sources so he didn't go to jail.
Jail? - not a criminal offense. BG Leonard and others could have sued for copyright infringement, and TWI would have probably had to pay monetary damages. But no one pursued it. I don't get that. It appears that the guy was untouchable.
His plagiarism was known outside TWI. It was reported in various newspaper articles. People in TWI chose not to believe it, including me.
VPW was self-published. Nothing more than that. Many resort to self-publishing when manuscripts aren't picked up by the large® publishing houses. Makes one wonder if he even tried.
No, I don't think so. I remember one big job in the bookstore being "double-checking" every copy of every book that came back from the printer. Literally one poor slave would do this full-time, going through every page of every book looking for little printing or binding errors. Because "they just don't have the same standards in the world". They usually couldn't get reimbursed for any of those as the printer would have some kind of acceptable defect level they would have to keep under. They would sell the minor defect copies at the ROA for discounts.
There is such a lack of common sense there. I mean, how many man-hours and dollars of ABS can you save by just having a RMA process like every other goods company?
The brain. You can wash it, but you can't dress it up and take it out in public.
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Great points, Chockful! It's easy to see some of the more obscured dots when you start thinking outside the board of directors imposed box.
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O.K. After working with a self published client recently who gave his publication legitimacy by hiring an attorney to incorporate his own "press," that was nothing more than an entity filed with the State I am thinking real hard about what you are saying. I had never considered American Christian Press (ACP) but remember it stamped all over TWI publications. So, does anyone have the skinny on the official reasons this was started? I mean, wtf is ACP all about? If chockfull is off base, which I doubt, then someone please come through and debunk the hypothesis.
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It was LAZINESS!
First, victor paul wierwille went up to Canada, took BG Leonard's class,
and came back, plagiarizing Leonard's class as "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today"
(later "Power For Abundant Living"). Then victor paul wierwille plagiarized
JE Stiles' book "Gift of the Holy Spirit" as the first edition textbook of
that same class- and named the publishing company by plagiarizing the name
of the publishing company Leonard set up- CANADIAN CHRISTIAN PRESS.
That was 1953 and 1953-1954, respectively.
He was a plagiarist, he intended to deceive the students when he
said it was his class, and when he said it was his book.
Need more?
The VERY FIRST class, he ASKED Leonard for permission to run LEONARD'S CLASS.
All people who took Leonard's class were automatically considered grads
of "vpw's" class. (A handful traveled with vpw when he sat through Leonard's
class a "second" time- he had interrupted a class in progress the first
time, and Leonard generously allowed him to take the class he interrupted
even though it wasn't his normal policy.)
When speaking to Leonard, he said he's run Leonard's class once. He took
a photo of that class, and sent it to Leonard, and that's the last he
told Leonard. Leonard, meanwhile, added the photo to his scrapbook and
believed a supposed fellow Christian wouldn't lie to him.
(One of our fellow posters later took Leonard's class, AND got to
look through his photo album AND identified the photo.)
Meanwhile, what did he tell those students? He said it was HIS class
and never mentioned Leonard to them. He kept a copy of the photo for
his own records, and after that class, he continued to run Leonard's
class with the new name and pocket the money.
vpw slowly built "his" church ministry on this. He did this while still
on the payroll of his denomination, and waited a few years before severing
ties with them. He continued to rely on "his" class and "his" ministry
(grads who stuck around), which accounted for a very small number of people
staying with him for significant periods of time, but allowed him to make
a living at it. (BTW, he regularly taught sermons, but he also kept a library
hidden that was composed of sermons and work from other Christians- and he
regularly drew from those for the sermons. He didn't write sermons from scratch-
mostly he retaught their sermons. I got that from one of the few people who got
to SEE and HANDLE those books, back when vpw still referenced them-which he
continued to do for THE REST OF HIS LIFE.)
This changed shortly after he read about the House of Acts in Haight-Ashbury.
He immediately went to San Fransicso to hijack the hippies. He convinced real
Christians among them to work with him. THEY worked for God on the East Coast
and West Coast, and membership numbers skyrocketed in the space of 2-3 years.
Once the numbers were up, then vpw kicked out the former hippies that were
responsible for all the numbers.
twi's growth was the combination of the class of Leonard's, the book of Stiles,
and the Christian ministries of men like H33fn3r and D00p.
(With some additions here and there from other authors like Bullinger and Kenyon.)
The man's entire ministry was based on plagiarizing the work of others, and hiding
the sources so he didn't go to jail.
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Yeah, but ya gotta admit, before The Way Ministry burst on the scene, who really ever thought about re-using disposable coffee cups?
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Thank you very much for taking the time to post / re-post that information! I have 0 respect for VPW, the man was a fake, cook, liar, sexual predator, etc - and the way international has him on a pedestal so all can come by and worship the memory of him they have worked so carefully to concoct and preserve.
No one else I had ever been around. Funny how stuff like that has way of leaving a REAL nasty impression. While people were doing really disgusting stuff, like reusing these cups, Vicster had millions stashed away in his coffers of the same people's money who were forced to swap spit via reused, disposable cups. Oh the irony.
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Jail? - not a criminal offense. BG Leonard and others could have sued for copyright infringement, and TWI would have probably had to pay monetary damages. But no one pursued it. I don't get that. It appears that the guy was untouchable.
His plagiarism was known outside TWI. It was reported in various newspaper articles. People in TWI chose not to believe it, including me.
VPW was self-published. Nothing more than that. Many resort to self-publishing when manuscripts aren't picked up by the large® publishing houses. Makes one wonder if he even tried.
Did TWI do it's own printing and binding?
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No, I don't think so. I remember one big job in the bookstore being "double-checking" every copy of every book that came back from the printer. Literally one poor slave would do this full-time, going through every page of every book looking for little printing or binding errors. Because "they just don't have the same standards in the world". They usually couldn't get reimbursed for any of those as the printer would have some kind of acceptable defect level they would have to keep under. They would sell the minor defect copies at the ROA for discounts.
There is such a lack of common sense there. I mean, how many man-hours and dollars of ABS can you save by just having a RMA process like every other goods company?
The brain. You can wash it, but you can't dress it up and take it out in public.
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chockfull - it's a mentality that permeates even one offshoot that I know of.
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