What do you mean... "Church"?

[James Trimm]

James, there are more websites proclaiming you to be a fraud than even TWI has. Go find someone else's playground.

"Hopefully adults know that a lot of what they read on the web is just not right, and just not true. But kids don't know that, they read it and think that it says it, it must be true. … There is no editor on the internet so people can put stuff out there that is just absolutely drop dead wrong."

- Dr. Phil McGraw (Wed. 12-16-09)

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the

strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them

better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,

whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives

valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is

not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually

strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great

devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows

in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he

fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall

never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor

defeat."

- Theodore Roosevelt quotes (American 26th US President (1901-09),

1858-1919)

[WordWolf]

Exactly my point, James. The problem for you is going to be that these people have already been sucked in by one false prophet, they aren't going to be so easily fooled again.

[The GSC posters tend to operate on the principle "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice,

shame on me." That or "Once bitten, twice shy." Or both, in most cases.]

Your intentions ring loud and clear in your lengthy posts. You wish to preach and teach and win followers to your way. Your responses likewise indicate you have no interest in discussing and learning from others because you already believe you know more than anyone else here.

[i can see there's something of a consensus building about that.

James isn't the first such person to arrive at the GSC, he's just the flavor of

the week. Sadly, he won't be the last, either.]

I make no claims to being a prophet.

[Technically, you may not.

Technically, neither did victor paul wierwille.

However, he orchestrated things so as to get people to consider him God's Sole Spokesman,

and tell that to others, all without him mouthing the actual words.

He understood the concept "plausible deniability" if only at a subconscious level.

We've learned since then. And seen it since then.]

James, there are more websites proclaiming you to be a fraud than even TWI has. Go find someone else's playground.

[You're presuming he hasn't worn out his welcome in other playgrounds.

He's presuming someone here is interested in what he's "selling",

when we already rejected this sort of thing the first time.]

"Hopefully adults know that a lot of what they read on the web is just not right, and just not true. But kids don't know that, they read it and think that it says it, it must be true. … There is no editor on the internet so people can put stuff out there that is just absolutely drop dead wrong."

- Dr. Phil McGraw (Wed. 12-16-09)

[We know that- we've seen your stuff on more than one website.

We can correct you here, but not everywhere.]

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the

strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them

better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,

whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives

valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is

not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually

strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great

devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows

in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he

fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall

never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor

defeat."

- Theodore Roosevelt quotes (American 26th US President (1901-09),

1858-1919)

[Ezekiel 33:1-5

1Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

2Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:

3If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;

4Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.

5He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul. ]

[James Trimm]

If anyone chooses to read my PDF they will find that I was like a loot of you, I left a group because the leader exercised un-biblical leadership and claimed to be my "covering" (In Hebrew "covering and "atonement" are the same work KIPPUR) and the day after I left I was disfellowshipped publicly for the "crime" of "seeking his own way apart from the congregation"... in short I left a "cult" and was "marked for avoidance" for having done so.

I left that group around 1988 and I did not found the reorganization of "Nazarene Judaism" until 1996 so the claim that I split from one group o create another is false. Is Nazarene Judaism a cult? Well I could count on one hand the number of people who we have disfellowshipped since 1996 (nearly fifteen years). Our statement of faith is intentionally broad and short. We believe in unity on the essentials and against division over non-essentials.

[WordWolf]

If anyone chooses to read my PDF they will find that I was like a loot of you, I left a group because the leader exercised un-biblical leadership and claimed to be my "covering" (In Hebrew "covering and "atonement" are the same work KIPPUR) and the day after I left I was disfellowshipped publicly for the "crime" of "seeking his own way apart from the congregation"... in short I left a "cult" and was "marked for avoidance" for having done so.

And some of the people who were "disfellowshipped"/"marked and avoided" by twi

went on to form their own cults. And vpw himself left a legitimate church to form

his cult in the first place.

Leaving a cult is no guarantee one won't rejoin a cult, or even make their own cult.

In fact, the odds are worse for them than the average person on the street.

Unless they learn what was so toxic and harmful the first time, they'll repeat

the mistakes of others like someone caught in the cycle of child abuse.]

I left that group around 1988 and I did not found the reorganization of "Nazarene Judaism" until 1996 so the claim that I split from one group o create another is false.

["I didn't split from one group to IMMEDIATELY create another" =\=

"I didn't split from one group and create another."

You're even claiming you were critical in this "Nazarene Judaism" organization.

That sounds more like an accidental CONFESSION than anything else, around here.

Is Nazarene Judaism a cult? Well I could count on one hand the number of people who we have disfellowshipped since 1996 (nearly fifteen years). Our statement of faith is intentionally broad and short. We believe in unity on the essentials and against division over non-essentials.

[twi hasn't "disfellowshipped" many people since 1996, either-

it's about overall numbers. There were too few people to just kick them out.

BTW, you disagree with all the posters here so far as to what the "essentials"

even ARE, and the idea you're AGAINST division over non-essentials

is a funny one to those who've kept up with your posts. ]