Here's a thread I started that you might find of interest.
Ya, that's the same root topic for sure. Musicians are ego-maniacs. Good grief. Then you get garbaged floating around like the words are the most important part of the song. Which is one of the reasons way productions sounds so horrible. The mix is all backwards. Plus they have no clear lead singer most songs but more of a chorus of ladies trying to out sing one another. Anyways.
"Creative people, like those with psychotic illnesses, tend to see the world differently to most. It's like looking at a shattered mirror. They see the world in a fractured way."
"Creative people, like those with psychotic illnesses, tend to see the world differently to most. It's like looking at a shattered mirror. They see the world in a fractured way."
If you are an artistic person, it is inevitable that Way doctrine will knock the creative wind out of your sails. Hell, you can't even use the word "creative" without hearing some sort of correctional lecture.
If you are an artistic person, it is inevitable that Way doctrine will knock the creative wind out of your sails. Hell, you can't even use the word "creative" without hearing some sort of correctional lecture.
I've never played professionally, but I've spent a lot of time on stage holding/ picking a variety of instruments while performing for an audience sitting in front of us (the band) expecting entertainment. All of my playing music for the past umpteen years has been a hobby/ something fun to do/ an avocation (if you will) rather than a vocation. In all my years of picking (and being in the "opening group" for some pretty well known national acts), I've never been "micro-managed" by any of the stage managers/ promoters of the concert/ festival/ etc., the way I was when I was asked to play a simple song (that I had written) for twig.
Not only did I have to play the song for the twig leader before twig (listening intently with furrowed brow - - obviously concentrating on the words of the song), I also had to listen to their BS suggestions that I change a few words that they (somehow in their "spiritually renewed mind") decided didn't fit. I told her (yes it was a she) to forget it. I either did it the way I had written it, or it was a no go.
I'm the least "ego-maniac" you'll ever meet when it comes to music and performing it on stage, but to be told by a total neophyte (when it comes to music) how and what to sing or perform really, really (did I mention "really") rankled. Twi seemed to think they knew "it all" when it came to __________ (insert any topic here). Fugg em. They knew nothing then, and know nothing now about anything, even though they pretend to "know everything with God's blessing on it all".
If twi were to get a new name, I'd call them AWAC.
(A$$holes Without a Clue). They've certainly "manifested their ineptness" in every category imaginable.
OldSkool, I had a topic (I think the first one I ever started here on GSC) a long time ago about creativity in twi. Now I can't find it and I don't have time to delve into the depths of the Cafe to find it. It was a great discussion with several creative people on the subject.
OldSkool, I had a topic (I think the first one I ever started here on GSC) a long time ago about creativity in twi. Now I can't find it and I don't have time to delve into the depths of the Cafe to find it. It was a great discussion with several creative people on the subject.
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waysider
Never heard about this one but VP was never one to be upstaged.
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Here's a thread I started that you might find of interest.
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Ya, that's the same root topic for sure. Musicians are ego-maniacs. Good grief. Then you get garbaged floating around like the words are the most important part of the song. Which is one of the reasons way productions sounds so horrible. The mix is all backwards. Plus they have no clear lead singer most songs but more of a chorus of ladies trying to out sing one another. Anyways.
Was The Forehead a musician?
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If he was, he probably got a lot of requests to sing Far, Far Away.
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This one is classic.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x19i0i_suicidal-tendencies-send-me-your-mo_music
Even if you don't dig 80s punk / metal check the lyrics. It's classic.
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"Creative people, like those with psychotic illnesses, tend to see the world differently to most. It's like looking at a shattered mirror. They see the world in a fractured way."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/10154775.stm
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OldSkool
Great, I'm cyco.
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excathedra
how long have you been out oldskool
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If you are an artistic person, it is inevitable that Way doctrine will knock the creative wind out of your sails. Hell, you can't even use the word "creative" without hearing some sort of correctional lecture.
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OldSkool
And that they did.
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Oakspear
I think John Popper of Blues Traveler made a good point about the words being the most important...
It doesn't matter what I say
So long as I sing with inflection
That makes you feel that I'll convey
Some inner truth of vast reflection
But I've said nothing so far
And I can keep it up for as long as it takes
And it don't matter who you are
If I'm doing my job then it's your resolve that breaks
Because the hook brings you back
I ain't telling you no lie
The hook brings you back
On that you can rely
There is something amiss
I am being insincere
In fact I don't mean any of this
Still my confession draws you near
To confuse the issue I refer
To familiar heroes from long ago
No matter how much Peter loved her
What made the Pan refuse to grow
Was that the hook brings you back
I ain't telling you no lie
The hook brings you back
On that you can rely
Suck it in, suck it in, suck it in
If you're Rin Tin Tin or Anne Boleyn
Make a desperate move or else you'll win
And then begin to see
What you're doing to me
This MTV is not for free
It's so PC it's killing me
So desperately I sing to thee of love
Sure but also rage and hate and pain and fear of self
And I can't keep these feelings on the shelf
I've tried, well, no, in fact I lied
Could be financial suicide
But I've got too much pride inside
To hide or slide
I'll do as I'll decide and let it ride until I've died
And only then shall I abide this tide
Of catchy little tunes
Of hip three minute ditties
I want to bust all your balloons
I want to burn all of your cities
To the ground, I've found
I will not mess around
Unless I play then hey
I will go on all day, hear what I say
I have a prayer to pray
That's really all this was
And when I'm feeling stuck and need a buck
I don't rely on luck because
The hook brings you back
I ain't telling you no lie
The hook . . .
On that you can rely
The Hook, lyrics by John Popper
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Good one Oak!
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OldSkool
Two years or so.
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Ham
And the offshoots haven't gone after you like a dog set loose on the game? All of that 15 percent just has to go SOMEWHERE..
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I've never played professionally, but I've spent a lot of time on stage holding/ picking a variety of instruments while performing for an audience sitting in front of us (the band) expecting entertainment. All of my playing music for the past umpteen years has been a hobby/ something fun to do/ an avocation (if you will) rather than a vocation. In all my years of picking (and being in the "opening group" for some pretty well known national acts), I've never been "micro-managed" by any of the stage managers/ promoters of the concert/ festival/ etc., the way I was when I was asked to play a simple song (that I had written) for twig.
Not only did I have to play the song for the twig leader before twig (listening intently with furrowed brow - - obviously concentrating on the words of the song), I also had to listen to their BS suggestions that I change a few words that they (somehow in their "spiritually renewed mind") decided didn't fit. I told her (yes it was a she) to forget it. I either did it the way I had written it, or it was a no go.
I'm the least "ego-maniac" you'll ever meet when it comes to music and performing it on stage, but to be told by a total neophyte (when it comes to music) how and what to sing or perform really, really (did I mention "really") rankled. Twi seemed to think they knew "it all" when it came to __________ (insert any topic here). Fugg em. They knew nothing then, and know nothing now about anything, even though they pretend to "know everything with God's blessing on it all".
If twi were to get a new name, I'd call them AWAC.
(A$$holes Without a Clue). They've certainly "manifested their ineptness" in every category imaginable.
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OldSkool, I had a topic (I think the first one I ever started here on GSC) a long time ago about creativity in twi. Now I can't find it and I don't have time to delve into the depths of the Cafe to find it. It was a great discussion with several creative people on the subject.
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waysider
HERE it is.
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OldSkool
Thanks guys, I'll check it out!
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JavaJane
Thanks, waysider!!
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waysider
Au contraire! Thank YOU for starting that thread!
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OldSkool
Yes, thanks!
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JavaJane
I think it is one of my all time favorite threads. It sure helped me a lot!!
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