My Great uncle is Jewish. He lives in Adare, Ireland, but the closest synagogue is in Cork, after that, Dublin. He refuses to wear his kippah in public, and claims that going to synagogue would be "work", and that breaking God's rules to obey other rules of God, is senseless. There is no synagogue in Limerick, although there used to be. And a little anti-Semitism goes a long way. The riots in Limerick over a century ago are still remembered. There aren't a lot of Jews in Ireland, and My Great Uncle thinks that all this talk of any Messiah having already come, is foolishness. 'If the "messiah" had come, he would have fixed things!'
Irish Jews, from what I've seen growing up, probably do more drinking than other Jews around the world do (at least, on a regular basis), and they know when the Sabbath is. It's Tam's day off and a few cold ones to relax. Last year a couple of Hasitic Jewish Rabbis visited him. He said they started telling him stuff to do. He invited them to buy a house, stick around for a while, and he'd consider their 'wisdom'. As Tam tells it, they declined and left the country the following day, that following day being Sunday. Funny that.
My Great uncle is Jewish. He lives in Adare, Ireland, but the closest synagogue is in Cork, after that, Dublin. He refuses to wear his kippah in public, and claims that going to synagogue would be "work", and that breaking God's rules to obey other rules of God, is senseless. There is no synagogue in Limerick, although there used to be. And a little anti-Semitism goes a long way. The riots in Limerick over a century ago are still remembered. There aren't a lot of Jews in Ireland, and My Great Uncle thinks that all this talk of any Messiah having already come, is foolishness. 'If the "messiah" had come, he would have fixed things!'
Irish Jews, from what I've seen growing up, probably do more drinking than other Jews around the world do (at least, on a regular basis), and they know when the Sabbath is. It's Tam's day off and a few cold ones to relax. Last year a couple of Hasitic Jewish Rabbis visited him. He said they started telling him stuff to do. He invited them to buy a house, stick around for a while, and he'd consider their 'wisdom'. As Tam tells it, they declined and left the country the following day, that following day being Sunday. Funny that.
Gen, your uncle is right. If he is stricly observant and if going to synagogue would require him to drive a car, then he would be "working" and thus breaking one of God's rules. There is nothing in the Torah that requires one to go to the Synagogue on Sabbath. That is tradition, and it is a good tradition if one can keep it, but it is not law. And yes, the Sabbath is to be a day off. A day of rest. In fact, on the Sabbath the Chabad women have special clothing they wear which is designed to be particularly comfortable for just that reason.
You cannot equate going to synagogue with going to church. Judaism is centered around the home and one's community. Remember, in Torah there was only one temple and most people could not travel from their far away lands every week to go to temple. Rather, they only went for specific high holidays, and even then not all could make the trip. Synagogues were designed after the temple was destroyed. They allow the Jewish people to have a community with each other i and to worship with each other in a more modern civilization.
Story book NT believers obviously still quibble amongst themselves about a Sabbath Day, but the story book Paul says it doesn't matter what Day or if any day at all -
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [ days ] (Col. 2:16) KJV story book
Story book NT believers obviously still quibble amongst themselves about a Sabbath Day, but the story book Paul says it doesn't matter what Day or if any day at all -
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [ days ] (Col. 2:16) KJV story book
But if you don't believe in the "storybook, why should you care what Paul said?
I sure am glad that the post that modbaker had a couple of days ago about length of posts didn't apply to James Trimm. He must be speeshul or something. Just a petpeeve of mine I guess. Sort of like watching someone tie up traffic at a light turning left when there is a no left turn at that time.
my bad, and my apologies for not checking that. I justs didn't see this topic before this morning that I remember, but at my age there is a lot I don't remember.
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My Great uncle is Jewish. He lives in Adare, Ireland, but the closest synagogue is in Cork, after that, Dublin. He refuses to wear his kippah in public, and claims that going to synagogue would be "work", and that breaking God's rules to obey other rules of God, is senseless. There is no synagogue in Limerick, although there used to be. And a little anti-Semitism goes a long way. The riots in Limerick over a century ago are still remembered. There aren't a lot of Jews in Ireland, and My Great Uncle thinks that all this talk of any Messiah having already come, is foolishness. 'If the "messiah" had come, he would have fixed things!'
Irish Jews, from what I've seen growing up, probably do more drinking than other Jews around the world do (at least, on a regular basis), and they know when the Sabbath is. It's Tam's day off and a few cold ones to relax. Last year a couple of Hasitic Jewish Rabbis visited him. He said they started telling him stuff to do. He invited them to buy a house, stick around for a while, and he'd consider their 'wisdom'. As Tam tells it, they declined and left the country the following day, that following day being Sunday. Funny that.
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Gen, your uncle is right. If he is stricly observant and if going to synagogue would require him to drive a car, then he would be "working" and thus breaking one of God's rules. There is nothing in the Torah that requires one to go to the Synagogue on Sabbath. That is tradition, and it is a good tradition if one can keep it, but it is not law. And yes, the Sabbath is to be a day off. A day of rest. In fact, on the Sabbath the Chabad women have special clothing they wear which is designed to be particularly comfortable for just that reason.
You cannot equate going to synagogue with going to church. Judaism is centered around the home and one's community. Remember, in Torah there was only one temple and most people could not travel from their far away lands every week to go to temple. Rather, they only went for specific high holidays, and even then not all could make the trip. Synagogues were designed after the temple was destroyed. They allow the Jewish people to have a community with each other i and to worship with each other in a more modern civilization.
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Story book NT believers obviously still quibble amongst themselves about a Sabbath Day, but the story book Paul says it doesn't matter what Day or if any day at all -
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [ days ] (Col. 2:16) KJV story book
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But if you don't believe in the "storybook, why should you care what Paul said?
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I sure am glad that the post that modbaker had a couple of days ago about length of posts didn't apply to James Trimm. He must be speeshul or something. Just a petpeeve of mine I guess. Sort of like watching someone tie up traffic at a light turning left when there is a no left turn at that time.
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Check the date and time the poster posted.
Check the date and time the moderator posted.
If you find a long post like that which was posted AFTER the moderator's message,
then by all means report it. I haven't seen one (yet).
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my bad, and my apologies for not checking that. I justs didn't see this topic before this morning that I remember, but at my age there is a lot I don't remember.
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