Add "The Divine Healing Convention" in Tulsa in 1951 and Rev. B.G. Leonard's class "The Gifts of the Spirit" in February of 1953........and one pieces together how "God taught wierwille things that hadn't been known since the First Century Church."
Yeah.....the manufacturing of the mog-concept was a ruse.
In the E. Stanley Jones Ashram picture........hundreds are in attendance and young wierwille's head is hardly visible in the back row. This picture speaks volumes.
In the E. Stanley Jones Ashram picture........hundreds are in attendance and young wierwille's head is hardly visible in the back row. This picture speaks volumes.
And the way international tells it like God brought these people to the Vicster so he could see what they knew. :blink:
And the way international tells it like God brought these people to the Vicster so he could see what they knew. :blink:
And.......there is a reason why some 340 clergy and 2,700 way corps have LEFT twi since 1976. Some estimate that 22,000 twi-followers have moved on, as well.
No matter how twi lies and rewrites history.......the details are there for anyone who wants to stop drinking the kool-aid.
A little side note...E. Stanley Jones wrote a book (I think in the 30's) entitled "Abundant Living"...in which he chronicles his day to day life living in the Ashram...the concept of the ashram was to live with your teachers...eat with them, work with them, etc etc...sound familiar?
What Wierwille did would be like taking a tour of the Hershey factory and then later on...telling everybody you invented candy bars.
Good grief. All Vic would need to do is cite references, give credit where it's due and I would have no beef. The man was a fraud not because he taught what other's did but because he claimed it was his own work and lied really big saying God brought all these people to him. His legacy is a controlling cult with the propensity to wreck people's lives and then leave the person to pick up the pieces should they be fortunate enough to make it out in one piece. Concerning Victor Paul Wierwille's teachers? (and they were many) The official spin is he culled out the truth from these people's work so we would not have to.
But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.
Thanks for the link Waysider. I see exactly what you are talking about.
Jones was born in Baltimore, Maryland. After attending Asbury College, he became a missionary in the Methodist Episcopal Church.[1] He traveled to India and began working with the lowest castes, including Dalits. He became close friends with many leaders in the Indian Independence movement....
E. Stanley Jones traveled to India and wrote about it (1925).
Wierwille travels to India and writes a pamphlet on Foreign Missions (1955).
Eleven (11) years after this Ashram event.....is wierwille patterning his life after Jones?
And, remember those little Way booklets before twi's books? Some of Jones' work in way-booklet form?
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Man, that's classic. What a ruse.
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Yeah.....the manufacturing of the mog-concept was a ruse.
In the E. Stanley Jones Ashram picture........hundreds are in attendance and young wierwille's head is hardly visible in the back row. This picture speaks volumes.
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And the way international tells it like God brought these people to the Vicster so he could see what they knew. :blink:
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no, so they could confirm what he knew
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And.......there is a reason why some 340 clergy and 2,700 way corps have LEFT twi since 1976. Some estimate that 22,000 twi-followers have moved on, as well.
No matter how twi lies and rewrites history.......the details are there for anyone who wants to stop drinking the kool-aid.
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This is
Has anyone outside of TWI really ever heard of these people?
They all may be household words somewhere--just not in any house that Ive ever been in..
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Well, household words in the one true household...
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A little side note...E. Stanley Jones wrote a book (I think in the 30's) entitled "Abundant Living"...in which he chronicles his day to day life living in the Ashram...the concept of the ashram was to live with your teachers...eat with them, work with them, etc etc...sound familiar?
What Wierwille did would be like taking a tour of the Hershey factory and then later on...telling everybody you invented candy bars.
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These are the British publishers' titles; American titles may be different.
Books:
The Christ of the Indian Road (1925)
Christ at the Round Table (1928)
The Christ of Every Road – A study in Pentecost (1930)
The Christ of the Mount – A Working Philosophy of Life (1931)
Christ and Human Suffering (1933)
Christ’s Alternative to Communism (1935) US title
Christ and Communism (1935) UK title
Victorious Living (1936) (devotional)
The Choice Before Us (1937)
Christ and Present World Issues (1937)
Along the Indian Road (1939)
Is the Kingdom of God Realism? (1940)
Abundant Living (1942) (devotional)
How to Pray (1943)
The Christ of the American Road (1944)
The Way (1946) (devotional)
Mahatma Gandhi: An Interpretation (1948); 2nd ed.: Gandhi – Portrayal of a Friend (Abingdon, 1993)
The Way to Power and Poise (1949) (devotional)
How to be a Transformed Person (1951) (devotional)
Growing Spiritually (1953) (devotional)
Mastery (1953) (devotional)
Christian Maturity (1957) (devotional)
Conversion (1959)
In Christ (1961) (devotional)
The Word Became Flesh (1963) (devotional)
Victory Through Surrender (1966)
Song of Ascents (1968) (autobiography)
The Unshakable Kingdom and the Unchanging Person (1972)
The Reconstruction of the Church – On what Pattern? (1970)
The Divine Yes (1975) (posthumously)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Stanley_Jones
"Fear is sand in the machinery of life."-----Eli Stanley Jones
(Personally, I think he got the idea for his "withered hand/train story" from something Jones either preached or published.)
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Wierwille was the piker.....
E. Stanley Jones was *The Teacher*.....
Just like in Mrs. W's book, the young wierwille was a back-row student.
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Postcast of Jones:
http://methodistthinker.com/2009/05/04/podcast-dr-e-stanley-jones-on-the-gift-of-the-holy-spirit/
The first few minutes sound like they are paraphrased straight out of PFAL (sessions 11 & 12) But, of course, this predates PFAL by several years.
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Good grief. All Vic would need to do is cite references, give credit where it's due and I would have no beef. The man was a fraud not because he taught what other's did but because he claimed it was his own work and lied really big saying God brought all these people to him. His legacy is a controlling cult with the propensity to wreck people's lives and then leave the person to pick up the pieces should they be fortunate enough to make it out in one piece. Concerning Victor Paul Wierwille's teachers? (and they were many) The official spin is he culled out the truth from these people's work so we would not have to.
Thanks for the link Waysider. I see exactly what you are talking about.
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E. Stanley Jones traveled to India and wrote about it (1925).
Wierwille travels to India and writes a pamphlet on Foreign Missions (1955).
Eleven (11) years after this Ashram event.....is wierwille patterning his life after Jones?
And, remember those little Way booklets before twi's books? Some of Jones' work in way-booklet form?
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What a rip-off. Just goes to show that when people say they have the "secret knowledge" it's time to run!
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