To paraphrase your namesake, Groucho, if I agreed with you anymore I would be you.
However, one of the things I've observed time and again in religions here in the land of the free and the home of the depraved is that the religion is about the money.
SoCrates
Socrates...You hit the nail on the head...When it comes to my own "spiritual journey"...I cannot reconcile making a paycheck out of doing God's will...but that's just me...Religion is what keeps people from knowing God...Ironic as it is...twi was just another religion...
I'd much rather sell beer, cigarettes and condoms(which is what I do )...than to sell God.
I just wish. that some among us could move on and live a life without insane paranoia, bizarre conspiracy theories, fear of devils and the like.. a lot of us have succumbed to the "new rules" as per dr. phil.. that in my Personal opinion.. suck. Royally. As in.. one can never never again trust another individual in modern society. Fine. If that's what you want.. and "friendships"? No. I thought I was here for friendship, once.. but that is only an electronic illusion.
Hear Hear! And I will always be thankful hoe GSC unwound the binders from my brain so I could not only be physically free from TWI but also mentally free of them.
We all know the world has changed. I don't worship at Phil McGraw's feet, but you do have to be careful today. The times of knowing people by their reputation because you actually knew them are long gone. We can't do all of our business with a hand shake anymore. Sometimes I think his "new rules" take things a bit too far....but most folks with a reasonable brain and a decent moral compass can find a good path in there.
Just popped in here and saw this thread. Waydale was the beginning of the Exodus from my offshoot. It did so much for me, and I am thankful it was here. At the offshoot I was attending at the time, I was CONVINCED, that I was a total misfit, totally screwed up, that all these people from the offshoot could SIT and Interpret and Prophecy and they were the true called ones of God in the Sky, and I was just screwed.
I longed for fellowship with my Lord Jesus. They told me if I tried to talk to Him it "Could prove to be fatal" I will never forget that. And I was convinced they were right. Waydale showed me that this teensie weensie little offshoot, in Naperville, Il. were the ones who were the misfits. NOT me. Not that I did not have my problems, I did, and still do.
But once I was bold enough to venture out to other various churches, YEARS LATER...I learned one thing...There are THOUSANDS of people out there JUST LIKE ME!!! I felt that although a church might not be a right fit for me..they were still normal people looking for answers in their lives! And nobody had to "prove themselves" by "Speaking in tongues" and Prophecy. Their were other concerns that "REAL" churches are aware of. At least the healthy ones.
I wish I could go back to these people, and tell them, If God hasn't blessed your "ministry" "bible clique...coffee clique.." in 20 odd years, don't you think there might be something WRONG with your little group? I know God doesn't count numbers as far as His Glory, but My God Man! If your old fellowship hasn't grown in over 20 years, you do NOTHING for the community that's allowing you a break on rental space and taxes, your agenda is your great doctrine, which has not held up in the eyes of the Lord, over and over and over again.... When will you wake up?
Bringing forward as a reminder of precious memories. Precious people's posts who helped us move forward with our lives "with dawn in our eyes" once again. Thanks so much. :)
Kit is right to be thankful for all of those folks. I'm glad they were around to show me the truth. Lots of people were hurt in those old days, including me. But many of you were also...no crying over spilled milk. There's no crying in baseball and cults either.
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FWIW, I never heard of Waydale. I'm glad this place is called "Grease Spot Cafe". Had it been called Waydale, I probably wouldn't have paid any attention. As it was, I found Grease Spot Cafe as I was
RumRunner
Jeezus Twinky - never crawl back to that space. I'd rather be in a good old fashioned barroom brawl than go back there. Chin up lass
Twinky
The HighWay: I googled "The Way International" - first thing up is this website. And I'd been searching for The Way International because I needed the zip code for any letter I might steel myself to
GrouchoMarxJr
Socrates...You hit the nail on the head...When it comes to my own "spiritual journey"...I cannot reconcile making a paycheck out of doing God's will...but that's just me...Religion is what keeps people from knowing God...Ironic as it is...twi was just another religion...
I'd much rather sell beer, cigarettes and condoms(which is what I do )...than to sell God.
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The way things are going at the Cafe, before too much longer it'll be "Who remembers GSC?"
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Depending on why, I don't see that as a bad thing.
Part of the GSC's mission is to get the word out about twi.
Part of te GSC's mission is to help people learn to live normal lives after twi.
twi, as a whole, is currently a puny, archaic, unattractive thing.
Outsiders are warned long before they CAN get sucked in-and there's little to attract
them ANYWAY. The warnings are partly because of the GSC.
If twi's membership is shrinking and is tiny, the GSC succeeded.
Let's face it-
twi's membership is still in "negative growth."
They are small, and a few people still leave every year. Plus, people either drop dead
(it happens everywhere) or get old and kicked out like Mrs W was when she needed care.
They are NOT replaced by new recruits, generally. The only new people are children,
and twi has been actively campaigning AGAINST members having children!
Those children who DO manage to be born and grow up often flee twi.
So, there's the aging twi population, and a tiny group of offspring who think they
can succeed in changing things that all the establishment struggle to keep the same.
Ah, the optimism of youth! And the naivete. It's how most of us got suckered in,
after all.
As for GSC members, over time, they get on with their lives and find other things are
more important-family, etc. That means fewer posters.
Is that a bad thing? Not for the people who got on with their lives.
They are GSC success stories!
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Well said ! Here's to life and living it well free from twi :)
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I just wish. that some among us could move on and live a life without insane paranoia, bizarre conspiracy theories, fear of devils and the like.. a lot of us have succumbed to the "new rules" as per dr. phil.. that in my Personal opinion.. suck. Royally. As in.. one can never never again trust another individual in modern society. Fine. If that's what you want.. and "friendships"? No. I thought I was here for friendship, once.. but that is only an electronic illusion.
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Hear Hear! And I will always be thankful hoe GSC unwound the binders from my brain so I could not only be physically free from TWI but also mentally free of them.
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We all know the world has changed. I don't worship at Phil McGraw's feet, but you do have to be careful today. The times of knowing people by their reputation because you actually knew them are long gone. We can't do all of our business with a hand shake anymore. Sometimes I think his "new rules" take things a bit too far....but most folks with a reasonable brain and a decent moral compass can find a good path in there.
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excathedra
how did this come up since february? oh, someone must have voted
waydale did so much for me, i can't explain it
but it was a horrible time also
i'm not sure if it's that thing where you have to throw up in order to feel better or what
i hadn't let my mind go near the way in YEARS and then i did go kind of crazy
i think it hurt people dear to me who did not know how f'd up i was still
feel bad because i can't change how things went
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Just popped in here and saw this thread. Waydale was the beginning of the Exodus from my offshoot. It did so much for me, and I am thankful it was here. At the offshoot I was attending at the time, I was CONVINCED, that I was a total misfit, totally screwed up, that all these people from the offshoot could SIT and Interpret and Prophecy and they were the true called ones of God in the Sky, and I was just screwed.
I longed for fellowship with my Lord Jesus. They told me if I tried to talk to Him it "Could prove to be fatal" I will never forget that. And I was convinced they were right. Waydale showed me that this teensie weensie little offshoot, in Naperville, Il. were the ones who were the misfits. NOT me. Not that I did not have my problems, I did, and still do.
But once I was bold enough to venture out to other various churches, YEARS LATER...I learned one thing...There are THOUSANDS of people out there JUST LIKE ME!!! I felt that although a church might not be a right fit for me..they were still normal people looking for answers in their lives! And nobody had to "prove themselves" by "Speaking in tongues" and Prophecy. Their were other concerns that "REAL" churches are aware of. At least the healthy ones.
I wish I could go back to these people, and tell them, If God hasn't blessed your "ministry" "bible clique...coffee clique.." in 20 odd years, don't you think there might be something WRONG with your little group? I know God doesn't count numbers as far as His Glory, but My God Man! If your old fellowship hasn't grown in over 20 years, you do NOTHING for the community that's allowing you a break on rental space and taxes, your agenda is your great doctrine, which has not held up in the eyes of the Lord, over and over and over again.... When will you wake up?
Thanks for letting me vent.
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Kit Sober
Bringing forward as a reminder of precious memories. Precious people's posts who helped us move forward with our lives "with dawn in our eyes" once again. Thanks so much. :)
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krys
Kit is right to be thankful for all of those folks. I'm glad they were around to show me the truth. Lots of people were hurt in those old days, including me. But many of you were also...no crying over spilled milk. There's no crying in baseball and cults either.
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excathedra
rottie, krys, kit, many more... i love you so much and thank you
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For some reason, on threads that have a survey, I can't get to the last page.
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