this blows my mind

[year2027]

God first

hi everybody

here what a person is saying another board

God wants us to sin and repent to earn heaven.

As a Gnostic Christian it is my duty to show how Christian scripture should be interpreted to show how God can be logically found and understood.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

2 Peter 3:9 KJ

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

New Jerusalem

9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.

Follow the logic.

All that God creates is perfect.

God created evil. Sins are evil. Sins and evil are perfect as all of God's works are.

All that is created was created by God and must be perfect.

It is God's will that all repent. To repent, one must sin.

If God's will is not to be thwarted, all must and will sin.

If you believe scripture then why did God bring Satan/Talking snake to Eden and allow a supernatural being access to Eve. Not a fair confrontation at all. Right?

Further, if God creates all things then He creates our souls and natures. They are sinning natures.

If God did not want sin then all He would have to do is create us with non sinning natures.

Right?

He does not.

Why not?

Because He wants us to sin.

Sin's value to God is to cause us to repent, so enjoy your sins and know that you will repent and be saved.

In this we have no free will. Hell is not an option since God's will is that all be saved and His will cannot be thwarted.

Regards

DL

http://christiancounterpoint.yuku.com/topic/3179

here more he said another post

Is God proud of His work?

You should know that I do not ever expect God to return at some end time because I see His judgment at the beginning of our birth in Genesis as the only judgment that he need's render.

Genesis 1:31

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

This very good included all that is, including sin, evil and the woes that were to afflict us, without which we could not develop our moral sense.

To have Him return, red faced, to fix a perfect world is beyond my definition of God. He gets things right the first time, every time.

I believe that when we left the garden we did so with God being proud of His perfect works and not ashamed that He had started us off on the wrong foot, so to speak, from the beginning of our journey.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

I know that many think of Genesis as the fall of man. This is false.

Man came out of Genesis only after the development of the moral sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil.

God wanted man to have a moral sense and insured that this would happen by making sure that the talking snake/Satan was there to draw Eve out of any lethargy or laziness of mind and would be lead in the right direction.

I take the advice of the Pope and read the Bible allegorically and see Genesis as a right of passage for all humans from a state of innocence in the home/garden to a search for moral values in the greater society/talking snake.

It is this same society, with it's differing values that hone our moral sense. It also draws us to sin. As God wants.

Why does God want us to sin?

2 Peter 3:9 KJ

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

New Jerusalem

9 The Lord is not being slow in carrying out his promises, as some people think he is; rather is he being patient with you, wanting nobody to be lost and everybody to be brought to repentance.

If we must all come to repentance then clearly we must all sin.

God makes this easy by creating us all with a sinning nature.

It is God's will that all repent and none be lost and it must be so, if God's will is supreme.

To think otherwise is to think that God's will can be thwarted.

If it is then it is not God's will at all.

So to those who await a second or third judgment from God, forget that silly notion.

He told us it was a good beginning and from good beginnings come good endings.

We are all to be saved which ends the notion of a hell. If you think about hell for just a moment, it is clear from a moral standpoint, that God would not ever invent or create such a place. It would be admitting that He has failed in saving all of us. This is against His will and must be a false interpretation of scripture.

Do you think that God is proud of His creations, or, do you think He will return in shame to -fix- His perfect works?

Regards

DL

http://christiancounterpoint.yuku.com/topic/3152

can someone make heads or tails this person

love Roy

[waysider]

Roy

I love ya, Bro

But maybe the practice of "cross-board posting" is something to be avoided.

Know what I mean?

[year2027]

God first

hi waysider

that would be the case but he or she already follower me to another board

but the Atheism are just laughing at him

but did I miss something

is there something of value there

I like of myself as a Gnostic but I believe it was dead religion

so it fare game because may show here someday

not he not a bad person

highly religions and little puff up

he call me a fool more than once and a few other people too

I just want to make I read it right

love Roy

[year2027]

God first

hi Everybody

I have figure this out

he is self righteous

not of God

sorry I just needed help my friends because I did want to prejudge him

thanks'

love Roy