New here just wanna say hi!

[mstar1]

nd what makes you folks think this guy is who he says he is? I think its somebody pulling yalls chain.... Maybe an old poster who has 'become new'?

:o Lingo??

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I dunno--- why would anyone bother?

are people really that bored?

But I suppose you could be right--- I can believe almost anyone anywhere but when anyone speaks in the name of "truth" the details always seem to be at least a little bit sketchy and suspect.

I hope he tells us why young Victor is such a "great man of God" --enough of us have asked already--

Im expecting something Gandhi like, a dash of St. Patrick with a little Mother Theresa mixed in. After the big buildup anything less than ending world hunger and brokering a lasting peace in the Mideast and I'll be sorely disapointed.

I can hardly wait for 'the truth' to be shown....

[cheranne]

And what makes you folks think this guy is who he says he is? I think its somebody pulling yalls chain.... Maybe an old poster who has 'become new'?

Honestly ...I am not thinking about it all that much,I like to take people at there word but,I should know better

now after we all got screwed over by dr.fat rat.

[way2much]

Honestly ...I am not thinking about it all that much,I like to take people at there word but,I should know better

now after we all got screwed over by dr.fat rat.

"hereay from a buddy who may or may not be gossiping is not credible. It dont fly in court and it dont fly with me."

This line is from the first post. Seems I've read from others wanting 'proof that will stand up in court'.......

[frank123lol]

The guy did say he was working lots of hours,give him a little time to respond.

[chockfull]

Karate = too many bad movies, too many self-indulgent braggart students

TaeKwonDo = for serious students.

slaps forehead.

[Tzaia]

Let's see - the thread is now nearly 100 posts long... and only ten or so have been from from the thread starter.

Most of the posts (initially) were asking questions and telling the young lad to be polite, along with some welcomes. The last page or two has been all of us discussing "stuff." Now we've stopped talking to him, and about him, and we're talking to each other about ourselves.

I still think there was a level of dishonesty in how the thread was started. Time will tell.

I'll read it again - but I just don't this thread as being threatening to someone. If he's as tough as he claims, then he'll take it as well as he dished it out.

Time will tell if he's a poser.

Few are as tough as they claim. In fact my experience is those who say they are tough are rarely tough. They just know how to call people names.

I'm just puzzled that there is a desire (need) to dish anything back.

[JustThinking]

Cue the theme song from Jeopardy...

I'm with the folks who say this whole thing sounds contrived. There was a poster for some time who called himself Roy (I think) who was a big VPW booster. Maybe it's him? <_<

JT

Edited July 10, 2009 by JustThinking

[RumRunner]

I'm just puzzled that there is a desire (need) to dish anything back.

Huh?!?! Go visit politics and tacks, sports and others. Regular long time posters dish it out and get it dished back. Someone "new" shows up with a fairly confrontational first post and you don't think there will be some dishes served back? This is GSC after all. Granted he apologized but you know if you visit my house - stand at my door - pseudo-threaten me (note pseudo) then do not expect to be welcomed to the dinner table just because you toss out an apology.

[modcat5]

I am not a violent person, however, if you want to make any personal attacks against him, you had best not let me know your true identity. I am willing to fight over comments made about him.Trust me, you really dont want a ....ed off redneck knockin' at your door. Somje people in the sowers program will claim they have seen me me angry. Well, they havent. My intentions here are not to fight though, so lets keep everything respectful and decent.

Your opening post contains an explicit threat. If you were to show up at my door or at the door of anyone on Greasespot Cafe because of comments made on this board, I assure you, you will be identified, found, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. How dare you threaten violence on posters here and then have the audacity to demand a respectful discussion?

[modcat5]

First off. about the so called threat. Of course i am only kidding about actually showing up at someones door. But it does kinda portray my feelings on the subject.

Well, it was rude and we didn't know you well enough to treat it the way you meant it. If you want to verbally spar, respectfully, have at it. Should be fun.

[GrouchoMarxJr]

Thinking about this stuff for a few days now...Sowers?....

Let me see if I got this straight...The grandson of the grand pubah (who just happens to have the same name) starts a "thing" that closely resembles the waycorps training, even borrowing their main objectives...word for word. From all accounts, their doctrine is aligned closely to what Vic taught...

...and now this guy shows up proclaiming himself a sowers grad...and wanting to be pals with everyone.

As far as I'm concerned, he can kiss my foot. plain and simple...if you follow the doctrines of victor small wierwille, you are a loser...been there done that. What these people believe is flat out wrong and destructive to people. As far as it goes, they can spread their poison elsewhere. I have no toleration for these sons of britches...none at all.

Edited July 10, 2009 by GrouchoMarxJr

[excathedra]

hi sowers grad !!!!

have not read the thread. i'm sure it's tedious like this whole site

but i did want to say hi back to you and welcome

[geisha779]

I hope he tells us why young Victor is such a "great man of God" --enough of us have asked already--

I'm expecting something Gandhi like, a dash of St. Patrick with a little Mother Theresa mixed in. After the big buildup anything less than ending world hunger and brokering a lasting peace in the Mideast and I'll be sorely disapointed.

I can hardly wait for 'the truth' to be shown....

Oh mstar. . . that was good for a real laugh out loud. . . . my thoughts run in the same direction. . . this kid better have the cure for cancer. . .

Although, the bar in that family is set fairly low. . . what exactly IS the standard for a great MOG in the good old timey Wierwille family religion? Well, let's see? A guy who left the "confines" of orthodoxy and the church under a dark cloud. . . set out on a grand adventure to hang with the hippies and desired to attend an orgy. . . .

Drank like a fish, had the mouth of a sailor, smoked like a chimmney, molested young women while parked in front of the house he shared with his WIFE. . . watched porn and was kind enough to share it. . . beastiality no less. . . admitted to feeling up his own kid. . . taught men that it was cool to commit adultery. . . set himself up as Jesus Christ on a stick. . . and fleeced the flock for millions. . .

Hey, the kid doesn't have far to climb. . . .

Oh, I forgot. . . this was the guy God Almighty gave the true "word" to. . . like it hasn't been known since the first century. . . he taught great truths on salvation . . . or was it sin? I still get those two confused.

Oh well. . . . I SIT once. . . I am golden!

[waysider]

I, for one, would be interested in hearing about the mechanics of the program.

What was an average day like? How was it scheduled? Did you have free time to just relax? What were mealtimes like? What sort of food program did you have? What were the housing arrangements? Did you have group work projects? What was offered in the way of academic study?

Are these questions general enough to keep things neutral?

[Bramble]

It makes me sad that other stlll live and raise their kids in the mog worship, arrogant, isolationist beliefs of VPW/TWI, where bully characteristics are mistaken for boldness, and obedience to the mog is mistaken for spiritual depth.

[Linda Z]

Rascal, thanks for trying to give a new poster a chance. You too, Tzaia.

Okay, so Caleb made a misstep when he alluded to being ready to fight. He's 22. He's probably been reading all the criticisms of the group he's in, some of which have been nothing more than pure speculation, and maybe he came in with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. In that one regard he got off on the wrong foot. So? I was 22 once, too. Were any of you, those who are so miffed that he hasn't responded to your demands to answer the grilling he's gotten, ever 22 years old and enthusiastic about something? Apparently not.

At least he apologized for the harsh words in his first post. But that wasn't enough for some people around here. Apparently they expect him to walk in here, denounce the group he apparently enjoys being in, and not only that, but to answer for every freaking wrong thing that was ever done under the twi banner. That's asking rather a lot, don't you think?

Caleb, I'll say it again. Welcome. And thank you for apologizing. If you decide not to come back, please don't go away thinking everyone here wanted to shout you down, because that's not the case. I wish you the best, whether you stay or go.

[Ham]

What's real despicable to me.. they have done this to a feeble minded kid. No, not the guy posting here.. but v2p2. He is barely out of college.. bachelor's degree. Why isn't he going after a master's if he's so brilliant? Or developing himself along professional lines? I can only guess.. but when he graduated, *somebody* said "now that you've got that out of your system, it's time to get with it.."

They named him after the "greatest" mogster they thought they knew.. He responds only to praise, that I can see.. ask a couple of hard questions and he doesn't have any more use for you..

and he is surrounded by yes men of the lowest degree, in my opinion.. but he can't withstand them. He's feeble-hearted. Can't turn down the praise or worship.. "a great man of god"??

where did that start? That's another good question.. was the group INSTRUCTED in this, and by whom?

more questions.. well, if you're still kicking around here Caleb.. please forward these to the board along with the rest..

Edited July 11, 2009 by Ham

[geisha779]

Who is shouting anyone down? Caleb said he would answer the questions over the next days, weeks, months. . . . he seemed very well versed in the tenor of some postings. . . I am sure it comes as no surprise to him that he might be met with some tough questions. . . and. . . . they were actually invited.

I have taken more crap on here for saying I prayed for someone and making a private joke! Pages of it.

Geez

[Oakspear]

have not read the thread. i'm sure it's tedious like this whole site

Didn't read the thread...but still has an opinion...

I have taken more crap on here for saying I prayed for someone and making a private joke! Pages of it.

[RumRunner]

Oh mstar. . . that was good for a real laugh out loud. . . . my thoughts run in the same direction. . . this kid better have the cure for cancer. . .

Although, the bar in that family is set fairly low. . . what exactly IS the standard for a great MOG in the good old timey Wierwille family religion? Well, let's see? A guy who left the "confines" of orthodoxy and the church under a dark cloud. . . set out on a grand adventure to hang with the hippies and desired to attend an orgy. . . .

Drank like a fish, had the mouth of a sailor, smoked like a chimmney, molested young women while parked in front of the house he shared with his WIFE. . . watched porn and was kind enough to share it. . . beastiality no less. . . admitted to feeling up his own kid. . . taught men that it was cool to commit adultery. . . set himself up as Jesus Christ on a stick. . . and fleeced the flock for millions. . .

Hey, the kid doesn't have far to climb. . . .

Oh, I forgot. . . this was the guy God Almighty gave the true "word" to. . . like it hasn't been known since the first century. . . he taught great truths on salvation . . . or was it sin? I still get those two confused.

Oh well. . . . I SIT once. . . I am golden!

Go baby go!!!

[cheranne]

"hereay from a buddy who may or may not be gossiping is not credible. It dont fly in court and it dont fly with me."

This line is from the first post. Seems I've read from others wanting 'proof that will stand up in court'.......

What?

[doojable]

Okay, so Caleb made a misstep when he alluded to being ready to fight. He's 22. He's probably been reading all the criticisms of the group he's in, some of which have been nothing more than pure speculation, and maybe he came in with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. In that one regard he got off on the wrong foot. So? I was 22 once, too. Were any of you, those who are so miffed that he hasn't responded to your demands to answer the grilling he's gotten, ever 22 years old and enthusiastic about something? Apparently not.

You know... when I was 22 I was enthusiastic. I went in the worst parts of town and witnessed. BUT I never threatened anyone. I never defended vp as if he were some diamond-studded-gawd-on-a-stick. It never even crossed my mind to consider insults about twi, der victoid, gawd, geezus, or pfal as FIGHTING WORDS.

And if I recall correctly, we were taught to behave ourselves with dignity 'so the ministry be not blamed.' We were supposed to have some class.

All that is beside the point that I was taught better by my parents.

So what does this say about the 'present truth' being sown in Mississippi?

Nothing good I'd say.

Edited July 11, 2009 by doojable

[RumRunner]

In that one regard he got off on the wrong foot. So? I was 22 once, too. Were any of you, those who are so miffed that he hasn't responded to your demands to answer the grilling he's gotten, ever 22 years old and enthusiastic about something? Apparently not.

Linda - Indeed I was 22 and head strong - ended up in a cult - but hey my parents - with no TWI connections, with no classes on xtian etiquette taught us manners. I didn't spend any time coming on as strong as Caleb did. Stow it dear - you generalize way to often. I mean I like you and all - but stow it I don't recall witnessing to people with the possibility that if they dissed the cyclops I'd be knocking on their door like a redneck.

Caleb, I'll say it again. Welcome. And thank you for apologizing. If you decide not to come back, please don't go away thinking everyone here wanted to shout you down, because that's not the case. I wish you the best, whether you stay or go.

And the above is a good example of where your analysis is erroneous and over generalized...I came down hard on Caleb for his threat - then I gave him honest advice on how to proceed on this site - knowing he was walking into a den of lions. Go read my post to him.

I have taken more crap on here for saying I prayed for someone and making a private joke! Pages of it.

Geez

You pray!! OMG - you're doomed!!! At this very moment your best friend is probably doing your next door neighbor - oh wait - sorry - wrong cult and you don't own a motorcoach to my knowledge.

[doojable]

Howdy everyone! As my screen name says I am indeed a a graduate of sowers class 08-09. I will reveal my name and age in due time

He's revealed his name.

Im sure yall all have a bazillion questions to ask me. I want to say from the start, I am NOT here to bash anyone. I know the feelings a d opinions that are presented on this website torwards the WAY dr. weirwillie, the sowers program, and the word in general. They are not favorable. You are entitled to taht obviously. I do not mind people disaggreeing with me however, i ask you to be polite and respectful. If you wish to accuse anyone of anything, i ask that you do so only if you WERE ACTUALLY THERE AND EXPERIENCED IT FIRSTHAND! hereay from a buddy who may or may not be gossiping is not credible. It dont fly in court and it dont fly with me.

So he knew what he was walking into. He also expected disagreement and said he didn't mind it.

I dont feel like typing a whole lot right now, but i will take all your questions over the course of the next few days, weeks, months etc.

However there is one topic i want to set yall straight on from the start. Victor weirwille.

the grandson. V2p2 or whatever yall call him.

he is agreat man of God, and a great person in general. He is one of the most loving, caring, kindest people I have ever met. I heard him yell only once or twice in ten months, and that as because he needed to get someone's attention. I am damn proud to consider him a friend. When it comes to teh word he knows his stuff and tries his best to live a Godly lifestyle. BUT! he does not shove it down anyones throat, he doesnt think he is the end all be all authority on all things God, he is very humble, respectful, and someone who i will aggressively defend. I am not a violent person, however, if you want to make any personal attacks against him, you had best not let me know your true identity. I am willing to fight over comments made about him.Trust me, you really dont want a ....ed off redneck knockin' at your door. Somje people in the sowers program will claim they have seen me me angry. Well, they havent. My intentions here are not to fight though, so lets keep everything respectful and decent.

The floor is open for discussion.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

God Bless.

Anonymous

Here it is, folks. He didn't want to fight, he wanted to keep things respectful and decent. He wanted to defend v2p2..

I won't repeat the threat - he apologized for that faux pas.

*added - He did show his near worship of v2p2 and was willing to fight over defending the guy.

Edited July 11, 2009 by doojable

[rascal]

Rascal, I know we can all evolve and hopefully change for the better, heck, it's part of life, so that's o.k.

You sound sore at me, and when I saw the "-2" on your initial response to me I did my best and now it reads "-1".

So that's how I thought about your post.

I was serious about jumping in with you too! I may be wrong but I can make an edumacated guess on where the "-2" came from.

Jeff I have absolutely no idea what those numbers mean and until you pointed them out hadn`t noticed them before.

I meant what I said. I am sorry that I ever tried to say anything.