VPW and the Snowstorm - What do you believe?
VPW and the Snowstorm - What do you believe?
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1. VPW and the Snowstorm - What do you believe?
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God miracled a snowstorm for VPW1
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God miracled a snowstorm in VPW's head1
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VPW hallucinated a snowstorm3
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VPW saw a freak hailstorm and interpreted it as a miracle2
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VPW made the whole thing up37
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None of the above8
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potato
4 or 5 what? shots of whiskey, hits off the pipe, what?
Bolshevik
wow, I would have guessed more.
potato
it's reruns of seaspray, circa 2003.
Mike
seaspray,
A positively perfect pertinent post!
I wonder how many grads are reading that for the first time?
It sure seems like someone knew we'd be talking about all this, and tucked that paragraph away in RHST's Introduction to the Appendixes just for us to find in these later days.
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Bolshevik
June, the snow came in June? or July, maybe July . . . no . . . May? August? Let's go with June?
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Ham
the snow here once ALMOST came in July. It came in June.. it was a crystal clear, blue skied day.. the snow started to decend.. on houses, gas pumps, streets, dogs, cats left to their own devices in the great out of doors, trees..
it's Michigan for crying out loud.. what does one expect?
well.. it happened once.. heheh
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Mike
Actually, I think they may feel a little shy about that. Do you think they want the court to find out about Stiles, Kenyon, Bullinger, Leonard, etc????? I think NOT!
In fact, this was the one last point I was going to make. It looks to me that God had it all injected into the public domain in a sense. TWI technically owns the copyright, but they can't quite enforce it now that the cat is out of the bag. I think God had Dr assemble previous texts just for this reason, to force TWI to back off when it comes to getting in anyone's face over fair use and/or more than fair use of the PFAL writings. I've heard not one word of them going after the grads who digitized the books onto a CD and mass distributed them years ago. I know they know about it because I talked to a high ranking staff member about it some 5 years ago. God in His foreknowledge got those books mass printed, distributed around the world, and then He freed them from the monsters He knew TWI would become.
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Bolshevik
was it 1942? 43?
1889? 1982?
Let's say 1942? The birth year? or was that 1944? there was a war to avoid . . .
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Ham
I for one don't buy into the concept (anymore) that "god breathed" is equivalent to "Drambuie breath"..
not really trying to mean or anything..
but it's almost as pathetic as the modern day followers of Aleister Crowley..
they hold his "divine revelation" as "the word of gawd"..
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Mike
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Ham
and it's really the same mentality..
"isn't the character whose writings you revere, wasn't he an egotistical, arrogant, sex maniac, and drug fiend?"
"well.. *little* issues aside.."
where do you think the vicster learned his *craft* anyway?
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Mike
October 1942
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Bolshevik
I once saw lightening in January, or was it February? One time in my life.
If I heard a voice, I forget what it said.
ah, thanks Mike.
Was it a monday? the 12th? 16th?
not known?
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potato
god did not inject anything into the public domain. public domain is part of man's law. god can't take some guy's writing and put it in the public domain.
I don't think god had vpw DO anything. vpw did it himself.
however, I'm glad that the RTHS paragraph was cited. it now makes much more sense, knowing that vpw wanted to indoctrinate people with the idea that it's ok to take stuff that other people wrote ABOUT the bible and treat it like it's public domain material because GOD put it in another context. it looks like it worked, too.
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Bolshevik
it was in Van Wert yes? Lima? New Knoxville?
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Mike
I said that IN A SENSE it was injected into the public domain.
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seaspray
It was Payne, Ohio.
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potato
there is no such thing as injecting something into the public domain "in a sense". either it's in there, or it isn't. if someone holds copyright, they hold copyright and no one copying their work can inject the original work into the public domain on their behalf. the law is pretty clear on this.
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Bolshevik
thank you, Mr. Seaspray.
October 1942. Payne, Ohio.
A prayer, and a response yes? Then a book burning I think.
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Twinky
Mike, I have to say that I admire your dogged persistence on this thread.
Can't say I admire your dogged head-in-the-s*** thinking, but you certainly are convinced that you know that you know that you know.
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Bolshevik
It must have been a weekday. He was working, yes?
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Mark Clarke
So that's why I started the threads in the Doctrinal Forum. Please demonstrate what methods you use to determine that what most people see as blatant errors are not.
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Bolshevik
"The contradiction of all he had read and heard seemed to fill him with confusion until he underwent an experience in September 1942 that changed his life. Wierwille himself describes, his experience which he claims took place as he prayed in his office in 'Payne, Ohio:
"And I told Father outright that He could have the whole thing, unless there were real genuine answers that I wouldn't ever have to back up on. And that's when He spoke to me audibly, just like I'm talking to you now. He said He would teach me the Word as it had not been known since the first century if I would teach it to others.(17)
The Way prizes Wierwille's experience so highly that it counts its beginning from that day and celebrates it annually.
Wierwille relates that he could not believe that God had spoken to him, so the next day he asked God to give him a sign by making it snow. According to Wierwille, the sky was "crystal -blue and clear," yet blizzard-like snow came in the next moment.(18)
Climatological Data for Ohio lists Paulding, Ohio as the weather monitoring station nearest (eight miles northwest) to Payne. Paulding records show no snowfall in September or the first 28 days of October, 1942.(19) Four or five years earlier Wierwille had given a different account of his call from God which did not mention a snowfall nor did it explicitly say that the voice was audible. At that time, Wierwille wrote simply, "...Father clearly spoke to me one night while I was praying..."(20) While the audibility and snow may be later embellishments, Wierwille claims the same Divine direction for his teaching in both cases."
http://www.uia.net/~messiah7/rsr_vcchap1-2.htm
From "Vesper Chimes" to "The Way International"
The Founder, History and Activities of The Way International
by John P. Juedes and Douglas V. Morton
source 19, need source 19 . . .
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Bolshevik
This ain't helping:
http://publicrecords.onlinesearches.com/OH_Paulding.htm
maybe I ain't listened to the right voice yet . . .
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seaspray
The heart's cry of the common man is for help. Man's help truly has to come from the Lord. We must learn to go to God's Word, the fountainhead of all truth, for that help. WM 07-08/85
So Mike, the period concluding this paragraph is the final period?
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Mark Clarke
Actually, TWI counts its beginning from the first broadcast of Vesper Chimes, not from the time God allegedly spoke to him. Small point, but worth mentioning for accuracy's sake.
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Bolshevik
try this!
http://weather-warehouse.com/index.html
ah fudge, it'll cost at least $50
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