VPW and the Snowstorm - What do you believe?
VPW and the Snowstorm - What do you believe?
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1. VPW and the Snowstorm - What do you believe?
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God miracled a snowstorm for VPW1
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God miracled a snowstorm in VPW's head1
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VPW hallucinated a snowstorm3
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VPW saw a freak hailstorm and interpreted it as a miracle2
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VPW made the whole thing up37
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None of the above8
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potato
4 or 5 what? shots of whiskey, hits off the pipe, what?
Bolshevik
wow, I would have guessed more.
potato
it's reruns of seaspray, circa 2003.
Ham
I really think that's the results of a "snowstorm" and a doctrine one does not have to "back up on"..
it's like carrying a large millstone.. don't "have to" back up on turns into "can't ever" back up on..
have to constantly polish it, adore it.. justify its existence..
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seaspray
Hey Mark Clarke, it's good to have an opportunity talk with you here at GSC. I'm going to quote a section of text here and maybe it'll help us. Here goes.
Psalms 138:2:
I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy loving kindness and for thy truth: for thou has magnified thy word above all thy name.
God has magnified His Word above His Name. It does not say that about the stars or the planets. He set His Word above His Name for He underwrote it, He put His name underneath it. He guaranteed it. It is just like a check. When I write a check for a thousand dollars and I sign my name, the check is only as good as the signature. How good is The Word? The Word of God declares that it is as good as God for God signed His Name to it. The Word is as much God as God is God. What God said was, was, what God has said is, is, what God says will be, will be. Do you see why we must come back to the integrity and accuracy of God’s wonderful Word? We cannot trust man’s word because man blows about, being here today and gone tomorrow; but the Word of God “liveth and abideth for ever.” That Word endures.
The text is taken from a magazine article Dr. Wierwille published back in late '75 entitled God's Word Endures Forever.
You see Mark, many people are very intent on trashing Dr. Wierwille's name. Then ergo, what he wrote is no good. The trashing of Dr. Wierwille's name does a huge disservice to God's people and the ministry of reconciliation of Jesus Christ. It's not much unlike the day Jesus went to his home town and declared the Word to his own hometown folks. They just weren't having any. This is the apistia type of unbelief that we learned about. They thought they knew him but they really didn't. They wouldn't sit still long enough for the Lord to teach them.
That's one of the reasons the Word Over the World Ambassadors were so successful on the field. How did they know what they were taught and were teaching was true? We just saw it in God's Word, believed it and walked out on it. It worked.
It's a little bit like ice skating. You just lace up the skates and get out on the ice. At first you look like a jerk and fall down a lot. But you're determined and you stay with it. Pretty soon you're gliding around the rink with greatest of ease. You're feeling pretty good and it's fun.
Just some food for thought.
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waysider
Personally, I think it was wierwille's back-handed way of calling his critics fools.
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skyrider
seaspray.......welcome to GS and welcome "to the other side of twi propaganda."
I tend to think that most people realize that one's fervor for his/her religious organization will crystallize opinions and experiences favorable to their affiliation. Obviously, you've stated yours'.
Many here at GS, at a point in time, came to a fork in the road........where twi's doctrines and/or abusive leadership diverged from scriptural truths. Clearly, we are admonished in scripture to FORSAKE all appearance of evil........and I witnessed mounting evil in wierwille's actions. On three occasions in my corps training, wierwille vehemently lashed out at an individual ( 3 separate incidents )......wherein verbal abuse and public humiliation the likes of which I'd never seen, nor have seen since. In all truth, wierwille acted possessed.
It matters not to me that you, seaspray, hold to your wierwille-allegiance. I completely understand. Heck, I held onto my convictions even years after exiting twi. But slowly and surely, the "man of God" entitlements that accompanied wierwille were dismantled by my continued search of the scriptures. Today, I realize that wierwille plagiarized heavily, drank heavily, smoked heavily, and did far more in that motorcoach than "study bible." Even further, wierwille counselled martindale to "loosen up sexually in order to be stronger spiritually." The stories of his abuse have surfaced.
As you know, GS tells the other side of twi.
IMO......way corps saw wierwille as is. And now, some 30 years later, I tend to think that many ex-corps have re-evaluated their youthful bliss and allegiance to twi's programs and machinery.
Walking around GreaseSpot is like taking a journey underground at Disney World........it's a whole different perspective than the smiling children and fun rides in the sunshine. Here, one sees how the labor force worked, the trash detail, the grinding of machinery, no time to talk and fellowship and the constant observance of keeping things rolling.
Peace.
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Raf
Realized yesterday that seaspray does not need a welcome. He's been here before, a few years back (as someone noted). And no, nothing seems to have changed with him. Welcome back, seaspray. Let us know when you have an original thought. I'll alert the rest of the media.
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rascal
Is anybody else even SLIGHTLY offended that seaspray would compare our contempt for the sleazy slimy wolf that sated his sick appetites on our innocent sisters, who stole that which wasn`t his in God`s name from the trusting generous saints, with Jesus Christ, the son of God, the innocent one who gave his EVERYTHING for us....
That is blasphemy in my book. That is sick and truly an indicator of the toxicity of wierwille dogma.
VPW the most vilely evil man I have ever met or even rarely read of.....compared to the innocent lamb of God who gave his life for us...man
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Bolshevik
They ain't duped. They're jerks. They're liars. They're self-centered. They ain't duped.
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sirguessalot
thanks for all that ham...i hear ya
i find that the postmodernity of our times certainly lends to a messy broadband of dialogue
...fun for all "ages"...laughing at the same different things
wounded by different things
...healed of different things
as if we are lost in babylon again
and most all the keys to language are buried under a layer of dust
meanwhile...the world is cracking and changing under our feet again
must be another one of those days (of the lord), i guess
as always...i pray we find new ways of using our tongues ...yet again
find a way to navigate this new mess
and funny....i can see you (or someone) and mike (or someone) doing gigs as vaudvillian antagonists
or some such
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potato
rascal, I went back and read seaspray's posts from 5 years ago and the most offensive thing I found about him was his troll behavior and his insults to you and Raf. he's a vpw-worshipper and he's made that abundantly (in fact, MORE THAN abundantly) clear.
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sirguessalot
again...welcome to the crashing of a wave of postmodernity, potato
"hell" to some
"heaven" to others
tho my review of it is mixed
so i find that "simply postmodernity" works well enough
just one more angel on a pinhead
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potato
yes, postmodernity, indeed (can you say that word 3 times fast?)
I love dialogue, but I do have a caveman tendency to want to defend my cave from aggressive invaders. your view may be more "wholesome" in that you're looking at a larger picture than I am able to at this time, having been immersed in my personal struggle for survival.
vpw's supposed revelation goes to the root of the things I've struggled with the past 20 years.
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sirguessalot
and perhaps one can only back into a corner so far anyway
...like reaching the end of a line
or as one finds in caving/spelunking
...how there most often is only one way in and out of that hole
or where the millstone can also be seen as being inside out
...and we are inside of it, like being in a cave
i often wonder how "meeting christ in the air" is like "learning to fly"
...in a way that involves learning to jump from "line to line"...or "cavern to cavern"..or "branch to branch"
as if that one little trick alone grants us rapid access to explore the whole/holy tree/system
...like a flying squirrel...we are free to fearlessly explore any line to its natural end
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Raf
To be offended, I would have to care about his opinion. Since I don't, I'm not. Remember that these folks are quick to condemn us for judging Weirwille, yet equally quick to judge the multitude of people who have come forward to expose the abuses that Wierwille committed. We shouldn't judge him because we don't know the facts, but his accusers? They're all cowards and liars. That judgment is okay, but judging Wierwille by the standards of common decency (not to mention the Bible he held in such supposed high esteem) is out of bounds.
Hey, compare ANYONE to Christ, and that person will come up short. And as sinister as I believe him to be, I can think of a great many people more vilely evil.
Don't lose sleep over the comparison, rascal.
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sirguessalot
i can appreciate this potato...20 years is quite a layer of any one life
...there are many kinds of personal struggles for survival that can have little or nothing to do with food, shelter, clothing
so please forgive if any of my cliff-jumping is troubling in any way
...i try to be kind and clear and generalize in my posts so as not to push anyone off an existential cliff
i guess i feel it might be worth something to at least point out the cliffs i see
..."feeling useless" is a particularly bright wound ive lived with for decades
trying to usefully ponder outloud in a crowd is an art, i guess
maybe i should add this signature line to my posts:
...plz feel free to say "woah."
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potato
but this is why I love you, sir. the cliffs are there. we should at least consider them. if I'm too busy pounding heads with my rock, how will I ever notice the possibilities? please continue with your useful pondering out loud.
and, that would make an awesome sig line!
in my case it would not be "woah, stop!" it would be "woah, I should think about that".
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JeffSjo
:D Did you really mean "out load" or maybe out loud? :D
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waysider
Exactly!
It's not REALLY about the purity of PFAL at all.
PFAL is just just a song and dance routine in the big show.
A subplot in a convoluted play, designed to divert attention away from the main theme.
A vehicle to deliver the real message of wierwille's supposed "mystic" status.
A magician's device to divert attention away from the mechanics of the illusion.
Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!
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sirguessalot
waysider..
for what its worth...
imho, vpw may have had some mystical experiences to interpret
but he was no "mystic," as the word is currently used
history has way too many "mystics" to compare him to
regardless tho...i hear ya...funny too
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potato
har har, yes Jeff! out LOUD.
some days are just plain dyslexic.
in fact I'm going to edit that because it's just too weird to leave it.
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JeffSjo
I think that is a real good call potato. :)
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dmiller
Heh heh! I think most folks are a little dyxlesic every now and then, eh? :lol:
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Mark Clarke
"Dyslexics of the world, untie!"
(brought to you by DAM - Mothers Against Dyslexia)
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GrouchoMarxJr
I'll tell you exactly who Victor drambuie breath Wierwille was...he was the Ron Pompeil of Christianity...he was selling vegamatics.
...and we sliced and we diced...or so we tried...the damn thing didn't work! ...and should we marvel? He was laughing all the way to the back of the motorcoach.
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potato
I heart that bumper sticker.
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