Abigail you should learn some manners of your own before constantly posting about others manners and how you would prescribe their manners like a physician or should I say Dorothy.
RumRunner ordains Groucho and then pronounces him born of the wrong seed and encourages GSC to M&A him from GSC.
Jeeezuz freaking Cheerist
And since you so often play the part of Joe McCarthy (watching over boy scout ethics) I remind you of the reporter Edward R Murrow's famous comments "Good Night and Good Luck"
the above discussion and points by Groucho (with ExCathedra's usual adding weight to the fulcrum so we don't topple over) demonstrate for me some of the blessing of this place -- people are allowed opinions here, including opinions that differ from those of others,and there is no "final word" of censorship other than the clearly stated rules of good conduct and civility (If we go into a restaurant, we need to wear shirt and shoes. And if we come to Greasespot Cafe, we need to remain civil and courteous.)
Oh give me a friggen break, Groucho! Starting your own website, with a specific purpose that is different from that of the cafe is NOT starting some freaking splinter group.
And I am NOT a member of their website, because I am not corps. Is this the greasespot cult then, if their website is a splinter group? :blink:
Ummm... okay.
I've been reading and doing my very best to NOT post on this thread. But now I really have to disagree with you Abi.
If I started a website devoted to recipes, or art, or even internet porn then you could say that it isn't a splinter group.
BUT - the purpose of the Way Corps site (and yes I have been there and yes I have left) is to re-group and re-connect with other Corps. Each person there has their own little blog and many, many of them are selling their new religious wares.
It's a splinter group of the Way Corps, NOT a splinter group of GSC.
Frankly, I'm surprised that you, who are advocating not talking about things we don't know, would take it on yourself to talk about a site you have never visited.
Rummie, I'm sorry, but I haven't seen Abi doing what you're saying she's done. She disagreed with Groucho, which she's certainly got a right to do, but I haven't seen her dictating manners to anyone.
Kit, thanks for injecting some common sense (with your usual gentleness) into this discussion. I hope your knees are healing quickly and completely, btw.
Dooj, I would agree if Abi were talking about the specific content of the Way Corps site. She's not. I have been on the site, and yes there are a few innies there, and there are some who have carried on as if nothing has changed, but the vast majority are ex-Corps who have gone on with life. Mostly I lurk there, seeing what old friends are up to these days. Our past might have been what connected us, but for me and for many others, judging by what they write, it's about today: kids, grandkids, careers, interests, etc.
I don't want to contribute any more to the derail than that. If anyone wants to rehash the debate about the Way Corps reunion site, maybe a new thread is in order?
Groucho, I'm going to make my statements a little clearer, because I don't want them misunderstood.
If you've cruised the site you know that disagreements on topics being posted by individuals is ongoing. My comment about "mean" people has nothing to do with disagreement on anything.
If your position is that people aren't allowed to comment on their current positions regarding VPW, the Way, their past involvement good or bad, that's not correct. I've read a number of personal blog posts that address that kind of topic.
Personal blogs are the "property" of the individual member, so within the rules of the site a person can post what they want. Or delete what they don't want, as excathedra states happened in her case. That's up to the person.
My understanding is that the rules of the board are to keep everything pretty much in a respectful, courteous mode, not unlike what GS has tried to achieve here and continually works at defining. Not identical, the two communities are different, but similar.
The overall purpose of the board however isn't, as you understand, to provide a forum for battling out issues about the Way or the people in the Way. It's a social networking site to allow, etc. etc. There the idea is to focus on producing an environment that will allow those who choose to connect to do. That's not trivial or wrong.
Belittling that purpose on the grounds that the community itself isn't a valid one for doing that is debatable, but I would disagree in that debate that the community doesn't warrant that opportunity to do so. So we definitely disagree on that. I'm not interesting in debating it because clearly our opinions differ, and there are reasons, and that will have to be as far as it goes for me. I'm just restating for context here.
"Mean" people - that meant that people aren't going to be allowed to take cheap shots at others, rip you or GS or anyone , and that go unmoderated. Johns' made it clear that he isn't going to act as a policeman but he's going to try and actively and gently guide members if it seems warranted. It would be unrealistic though given the general state of humans to not expect that to occur some, given the community. It will take shape over time is how I see it but I'm not expecting it to go down the same road as GS.
There's a clear opportunity for any member to email any other member and say whatever they'd like to say, and hopefully if it's critical do it in a constructive way. How and if that person responds is up to them. That's no different than GS, amongst the members here that post or those that are discussed that aren't members.
That's a topic of contention on GS right now - what's allowed, not allowed, appropriate and not. Edit, not edit, use names, not use other's names. What's "courteous" and what's not For me that's an easy thing to define, and frankly that fact that it's so hard to navigate and nail down in the GS community has gone from being a concern to me to a simple realization that GS is what it is and it may not ever be settled.
There's a side of me that draws a line there, from a personal standpoint and at this stage I'm not sure if I can proceed and maintan my personal sense of integrity. I'm not interested in scorching more board space with cricitisms that might only be counter productive in the end. Because I have an opinion doesn't mean I feel I have to state it, impose it, argue or debate it. I'm perfectly happy to live in my own world. No one else has to. So I'm in pondering mode, speaking for myself.
I've always felt more interest in the individual of the board rather than the board itself. I've made no secret of the fact I don't view my history in the Way as wasted effort, misguided, wrong, devilish or anything of the kind. I look back and see countless people that I valued then and value today. Not everyone or everything falls into that category by any means - but I don't consider it "romanticizing" at all.
Again, I've always stated - to each their own. The opportunity to be open, frank and do it in a constructive way that's a product of my own beliefs has been my goal. I don't always do that, but that's the outcome I think is correct and what I'm shooting for.
I think as long as there are people still in TWI and looking for answers - GSC or a similar site will be viable.
That said. I understand that this place isn't easy to manage. It's a site of ex-culties in various stages of recovery - ranging from early to complete recovery.
We were part of a cult that dictated every move and every thought we made (or at least attempted to do so.)
Is it any surprise that we are a community of folks who resist being told what to do, say or think?
The arguments and debates are part of life - and certainly part of ex-cult life.
If you need to move on Paw, I'm sure no one here will fault you for doing so.
As far as us all getting along - well it isn't going to happen. For some reason the following video reminds me of the kind of rebellion that many of us have had to find post-TWI
Socks...Thanks for the clarification. I've always enjoyed the way you post...civil, thoughtful and intelligent...didn't mean to be so sarcastic about the "mean people" thing... :)
I suppose the part that sticks in my craw is that it's referred to as the Way Corps website...shouldn't it be the FORMER Waycorps website?...I find the implication unsettling...but anyway, thanks for your response.
I think as long as there are people still in TWI and looking for answers - GSC or a similar site will be viable.
That said. I understand that this place isn't easy to manage. It's a site of ex-culties in various stages of recovery - ranging from early to complete recovery.
We were part of a cult that dictated every move and every thought we made (or at least attempted to do so.)
Is it any surprise that we are a community of folks who resist being told what to do, say or think?
The arguments and debates are part of life - and certainly part of ex-cult life.
If you need to move on Paw, I'm sure no one here will fault you for doing so.
As far as us all getting along - well it isn't going to happen. For some reason the following video reminds me of the kind of rebellion that many of us have had to find post-TWI
Yeah...I second what doojie just said. Makes sense to me...a website like this one will continue to be viable for as long as twi continues to exist and we are all alive...As far as getting along?...Nothing wrong with disagreeing...it's healthy. It would be boring without debate...and my favorites at GreaseSpot have always been when people are passionately conveying opposing views. I don't dislike anyone because they disagree with me...a good example is satori...he and I disagreed like crazy in the politics forum but I learned to respect him and actually enjoyed reading his posts when he disagreed with me...I think it's part of being honest and being an individual...and that's healthy...
Sorry I posted this on the wrong thread- this is where it was meant to be posted...
Anyone ever consider that if GSC shuts down - it really means Mission Accomplished - not my words BTW - from someone else but I thought they were cogent all things considered. GSC has been and is a good thing as was Waydale and Trancechat. GSC wanted to show "the other side of the story" and it has been done well!! My congrats to Paw either way - but consider TWI is now a nothing on the pages of history - and a lot of it has been due to the efforts of Paw and others like him.
As far as us all getting along - well it isn't going to happen. For some reason the following video reminds me of the kind of rebellion that many of us have had to find post-TWI
Odd Dooj - Oh Captain! My Captain! was a poem by Walt Whitman - about the death of Abraham Lincoln. Are we to presume that we are now freed slaves from the cult of TWI? - biga$$ grin.....no more picking onions in TX, putting up tents in the rain, hitchhiking in the winter?
Odd Dooj - Oh Captain! My Captain! was a poem by Walt Whitman - about the death of Abraham Lincoln. Are we to presume that we are now freed slaves from the cult of TWI? - biga$$ grin.....no more picking onions in TX, putting up tents in the rain, hitchhiking in the winter?
That's a great analogy RumRunner. I have to admit that my mind was more in tune with the rebellion of the students, than the words of the poem.
I feel like standing on a desk and shouting on a regular basis. (And NOT because I'm short, either. :) )
Socks...Thanks for the clarification. I've always enjoyed the way you post...civil, thoughtful and intelligent...didn't mean to be so sarcastic about the "mean people" thing... :)
I suppose the part that sticks in my craw is that it's referred to as the Way Corps website...shouldn't it be the FORMER Waycorps website?...I find the implication unsettling...but anyway, thanks for your response.
No problemo - I've been known to saracst a tad myself. :) And you've actually just opened mine eyes to something I hadn't even seen, though it's clearly directly in front of them.
"The Way Corps" site has always been read, understood by me in shorthand as a general title for those who were, are, was, is, that.
It's true - there are "active" Way Corps registered from what I've gathered although I can't really tell the difference. ***
It could use a Prince style title -
"For those formerly known as, once were, still are but may not actually still be although even those who might still consider themselves so could be not by others and vice verse depending on where you do or don't stand on what the term really means...Way Corps Site".
But that's a little unwieldy even by internet blog standards.
Since both current, past and inbetween WC's can register, I dunno. I didn't take it that way but I see what you mean.
*** Someone's bound to interpret that phrase above in a negative way - which is fine. But to clarify - I guess I don't think in terms of anyone "being in" the current Way Corps program, although some are. I don't even know if there is a current program active and don't really care one way or the other. I'm not in that world anymore
I do think there's a common bond amongst those who were in, have completed, did that Way Corps thing, for a variety of possible reasons, but they're so loose and varied as to be a non-identifier for me to apply straight across the board to everyone from all the years.
F'instance, although I was there onsite when Emporia was bought and particpated in the initial cleanup efforts I eventually lost any feel for it as part of what I felt the "Way Corps" program was really all about. Within a couple years it seemed to become some wierd can-o-stuffed-worms, to me. The Corps "coordinators" - I don't even like to think about all of that, it was just wierd to me and not heading in the direction I was, that's for certain.
Yet - 100's of perfectly wonderful people know Emporia's campus as "the Way Corps" program they went through and completed. Their whole frame of reference is completely different from mine. So it's an odd mix of pieces that you get when you say "the Way Corps". They did a lot of wierd stuff there in the program I never understood. So I knew what I'd done and what that meant to me and had to allow others to do their thing as they saw fit. For awhile, eventually I just got to where I really didn't like the whole approach they were taking there.
Sorry - this is still veering away from thread topic. Oh, the scope creep....!
There's a side of me that draws a line there, from a personal standpoint and at this stage I'm not sure if I can proceed and maintan my personal sense of integrity.
Anyone ever consider that if GSC shuts down - it really means Mission Accomplished - not my words BTW - from someone else but I thought they were cogent all things considered. GSC has been and is a good thing as was Waydale and Trancechat. GSC wanted to show "the other side of the story" and it has been done well!! My congrats to Paw either way - but consider TWI is now a nothing on the pages of history - and a lot of it has been due to the efforts of Paw and others like him.
Thanks Paw - Mission Accomplished - Bravo Zulu
Another way to look at it (my opinion) sees Pawtucket's withdrawal from and possibly closing Greasespot Cafe as another warrior in the battle against tyranny wounded and worn out. I think the battle against the tyranny of the twi mind set will need to be waged even if the doors to twi were closed completely because of the residual effects of that place.
I also am thankful for all the people who fight to help others as well as themselves correct the sins twi inflicted into the world.
or at least part of the baton. I think Paw is happy with what he has done here, as he should be. All that is really needed is for it to be less demanding of his time so he can pursue some new interests or further pursue some old interests. (not that I am calling anyone old). :unsure:
Throwing in the towel sounds too much like quitting to me. I can’t see Paw quitting at being who he is; which, in my opinion, is someone who cares deeply about bringing the evils of TWI to light and helping put the hearts of those broken back together. Even if GSC closed, that wouldn’t change.
I like the phrase passing the baton better.
Although, if this site closes with no baton passing, I can’t imagine another site not popping up to replace it, with a prominent link to the read only GSC, and really good instructions on how to search it :)
Can't people who left The Way years ago find help elseware? What is there to say that hasn't been said?
The people in The Way today know what's on Greasespot. It doesn't phase them. They've heard it all, even the young people. Is this just a site where people can just feel like they are doing something?
It is that an individual ex or current TWI poster has not said it.
In TWI they had no voice.
Even after leaving they were held by the 'speak no negatives lest the ministry be blamed, renew your mind, you are more than a conquorer, your believing brought you this misery...
Those are the people who need a place like GSC, even if they left years ago. GSC helps individuals unravel the blame and guilt they may have lived under for years.
And yes, some of them could find it in counseling, with a good counselor, insurance that covers it and /or the financial abliity to pay. But not too many TWI thinkers would hop straight into counseling while still believing many of the TWI 'truths' they were taught there, due to the view of mental health counseling TWI held.
Can't people who left The Way years ago find help elseware? What is there to say that hasn't been said?
The people in The Way today know what's on Greasespot. It doesn't phase them. They've heard it all, even the young people. Is this just a site where people can just feel like they are doing something?
Hiya, B-man
First, let me say---Happy Birthday!
Can't people who left The Way years ago find help elsewhere?
Of course. And some people should.
What is there to say that hasn't been said?
I'm not so sure it's all about what people have to say as it is about what people still need to hear.
New people arrive on a regular basis who are totally in the dark about what happened.
The people in The Way today know what's on Greasespot. It doesn't phase them. They've heard it all, even the young people.
That is, indeed, a disturbing thought. Lots of us "old-timers" had no idea what was going on during our involvement. But, to be fully aware of the perverted nature of the organization and remain involved is a telling testament to their hold over people.
Is this just a site where people can just feel like they are doing something?
In my opinion, the answer to that is "no".
Many people who come here have pieces of the puzzle missing that they need to find in order to understand what it is that happened all those years ago. Personally, one of the things that bothered me for a long time was a sense of guilt for leaving what I thought was the one true household. I felt like I had disappointed God. Now, I know that those feelings are unwarranted. What I left was a cult, not some spiritually elite organization with special ties to the Divine.
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good point groucho. it's how this place used to be before everything got so personal
"personal" might not be the right way to explain it
it's gotten oh i don't know weird
if you're not with us, you're against us
i could have sworn this was a discussion in 2002 or 3
oh well you can tell how messed up i am
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Abigail you should learn some manners of your own before constantly posting about others manners and how you would prescribe their manners like a physician or should I say Dorothy.
RumRunner ordains Groucho and then pronounces him born of the wrong seed and encourages GSC to M&A him from GSC.
Jeeezuz freaking Cheerist
And since you so often play the part of Joe McCarthy (watching over boy scout ethics) I remind you of the reporter Edward R Murrow's famous comments "Good Night and Good Luck"
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the above discussion and points by Groucho (with ExCathedra's usual adding weight to the fulcrum so we don't topple over) demonstrate for me some of the blessing of this place -- people are allowed opinions here, including opinions that differ from those of others,and there is no "final word" of censorship other than the clearly stated rules of good conduct and civility (If we go into a restaurant, we need to wear shirt and shoes. And if we come to Greasespot Cafe, we need to remain civil and courteous.)
Thanks, again, Pawtucket. :)
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Ummm... okay.
I've been reading and doing my very best to NOT post on this thread. But now I really have to disagree with you Abi.
If I started a website devoted to recipes, or art, or even internet porn then you could say that it isn't a splinter group.
BUT - the purpose of the Way Corps site (and yes I have been there and yes I have left) is to re-group and re-connect with other Corps. Each person there has their own little blog and many, many of them are selling their new religious wares.
It's a splinter group of the Way Corps, NOT a splinter group of GSC.
Frankly, I'm surprised that you, who are advocating not talking about things we don't know, would take it on yourself to talk about a site you have never visited.
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Rummie, I'm sorry, but I haven't seen Abi doing what you're saying she's done. She disagreed with Groucho, which she's certainly got a right to do, but I haven't seen her dictating manners to anyone.
Kit, thanks for injecting some common sense (with your usual gentleness) into this discussion. I hope your knees are healing quickly and completely, btw.
Dooj, I would agree if Abi were talking about the specific content of the Way Corps site. She's not. I have been on the site, and yes there are a few innies there, and there are some who have carried on as if nothing has changed, but the vast majority are ex-Corps who have gone on with life. Mostly I lurk there, seeing what old friends are up to these days. Our past might have been what connected us, but for me and for many others, judging by what they write, it's about today: kids, grandkids, careers, interests, etc.
I don't want to contribute any more to the derail than that. If anyone wants to rehash the debate about the Way Corps reunion site, maybe a new thread is in order?
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Groucho, I'm going to make my statements a little clearer, because I don't want them misunderstood.
If you've cruised the site you know that disagreements on topics being posted by individuals is ongoing. My comment about "mean" people has nothing to do with disagreement on anything.
If your position is that people aren't allowed to comment on their current positions regarding VPW, the Way, their past involvement good or bad, that's not correct. I've read a number of personal blog posts that address that kind of topic.
Personal blogs are the "property" of the individual member, so within the rules of the site a person can post what they want. Or delete what they don't want, as excathedra states happened in her case. That's up to the person.
My understanding is that the rules of the board are to keep everything pretty much in a respectful, courteous mode, not unlike what GS has tried to achieve here and continually works at defining. Not identical, the two communities are different, but similar.
The overall purpose of the board however isn't, as you understand, to provide a forum for battling out issues about the Way or the people in the Way. It's a social networking site to allow, etc. etc. There the idea is to focus on producing an environment that will allow those who choose to connect to do. That's not trivial or wrong.
Belittling that purpose on the grounds that the community itself isn't a valid one for doing that is debatable, but I would disagree in that debate that the community doesn't warrant that opportunity to do so. So we definitely disagree on that. I'm not interesting in debating it because clearly our opinions differ, and there are reasons, and that will have to be as far as it goes for me. I'm just restating for context here.
"Mean" people - that meant that people aren't going to be allowed to take cheap shots at others, rip you or GS or anyone , and that go unmoderated. Johns' made it clear that he isn't going to act as a policeman but he's going to try and actively and gently guide members if it seems warranted. It would be unrealistic though given the general state of humans to not expect that to occur some, given the community. It will take shape over time is how I see it but I'm not expecting it to go down the same road as GS.
There's a clear opportunity for any member to email any other member and say whatever they'd like to say, and hopefully if it's critical do it in a constructive way. How and if that person responds is up to them. That's no different than GS, amongst the members here that post or those that are discussed that aren't members.
That's a topic of contention on GS right now - what's allowed, not allowed, appropriate and not. Edit, not edit, use names, not use other's names. What's "courteous" and what's not For me that's an easy thing to define, and frankly that fact that it's so hard to navigate and nail down in the GS community has gone from being a concern to me to a simple realization that GS is what it is and it may not ever be settled.
There's a side of me that draws a line there, from a personal standpoint and at this stage I'm not sure if I can proceed and maintan my personal sense of integrity. I'm not interested in scorching more board space with cricitisms that might only be counter productive in the end. Because I have an opinion doesn't mean I feel I have to state it, impose it, argue or debate it. I'm perfectly happy to live in my own world. No one else has to. So I'm in pondering mode, speaking for myself.
I've always felt more interest in the individual of the board rather than the board itself. I've made no secret of the fact I don't view my history in the Way as wasted effort, misguided, wrong, devilish or anything of the kind. I look back and see countless people that I valued then and value today. Not everyone or everything falls into that category by any means - but I don't consider it "romanticizing" at all.
Again, I've always stated - to each their own. The opportunity to be open, frank and do it in a constructive way that's a product of my own beliefs has been my goal. I don't always do that, but that's the outcome I think is correct and what I'm shooting for.
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So back to the original question - is GSC viable?
I think as long as there are people still in TWI and looking for answers - GSC or a similar site will be viable.
That said. I understand that this place isn't easy to manage. It's a site of ex-culties in various stages of recovery - ranging from early to complete recovery.
We were part of a cult that dictated every move and every thought we made (or at least attempted to do so.)
Is it any surprise that we are a community of folks who resist being told what to do, say or think?
The arguments and debates are part of life - and certainly part of ex-cult life.
If you need to move on Paw, I'm sure no one here will fault you for doing so.
As far as us all getting along - well it isn't going to happen. For some reason the following video reminds me of the kind of rebellion that many of us have had to find post-TWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8UL_9R_W-Y
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Socks...Thanks for the clarification. I've always enjoyed the way you post...civil, thoughtful and intelligent...didn't mean to be so sarcastic about the "mean people" thing... :)
I suppose the part that sticks in my craw is that it's referred to as the Way Corps website...shouldn't it be the FORMER Waycorps website?...I find the implication unsettling...but anyway, thanks for your response.
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Yeah...I second what doojie just said. Makes sense to me...a website like this one will continue to be viable for as long as twi continues to exist and we are all alive...As far as getting along?...Nothing wrong with disagreeing...it's healthy. It would be boring without debate...and my favorites at GreaseSpot have always been when people are passionately conveying opposing views. I don't dislike anyone because they disagree with me...a good example is satori...he and I disagreed like crazy in the politics forum but I learned to respect him and actually enjoyed reading his posts when he disagreed with me...I think it's part of being honest and being an individual...and that's healthy...
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Sorry I posted this on the wrong thread- this is where it was meant to be posted...
Anyone ever consider that if GSC shuts down - it really means Mission Accomplished - not my words BTW - from someone else but I thought they were cogent all things considered. GSC has been and is a good thing as was Waydale and Trancechat. GSC wanted to show "the other side of the story" and it has been done well!! My congrats to Paw either way - but consider TWI is now a nothing on the pages of history - and a lot of it has been due to the efforts of Paw and others like him.
Thanks Paw - Mission Accomplished - Bravo Zulu
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Odd Dooj - Oh Captain! My Captain! was a poem by Walt Whitman - about the death of Abraham Lincoln. Are we to presume that we are now freed slaves from the cult of TWI? - biga$$ grin.....no more picking onions in TX, putting up tents in the rain, hitchhiking in the winter?
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That's a great analogy RumRunner. I have to admit that my mind was more in tune with the rebellion of the students, than the words of the poem.
I feel like standing on a desk and shouting on a regular basis. (And NOT because I'm short, either. :) )
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No problemo - I've been known to saracst a tad myself. :) And you've actually just opened mine eyes to something I hadn't even seen, though it's clearly directly in front of them.
"The Way Corps" site has always been read, understood by me in shorthand as a general title for those who were, are, was, is, that.
It's true - there are "active" Way Corps registered from what I've gathered although I can't really tell the difference. ***
It could use a Prince style title -
"For those formerly known as, once were, still are but may not actually still be although even those who might still consider themselves so could be not by others and vice verse depending on where you do or don't stand on what the term really means...Way Corps Site".
But that's a little unwieldy even by internet blog standards.
Since both current, past and inbetween WC's can register, I dunno. I didn't take it that way but I see what you mean.
*** Someone's bound to interpret that phrase above in a negative way - which is fine. But to clarify - I guess I don't think in terms of anyone "being in" the current Way Corps program, although some are. I don't even know if there is a current program active and don't really care one way or the other. I'm not in that world anymore
I do think there's a common bond amongst those who were in, have completed, did that Way Corps thing, for a variety of possible reasons, but they're so loose and varied as to be a non-identifier for me to apply straight across the board to everyone from all the years.
F'instance, although I was there onsite when Emporia was bought and particpated in the initial cleanup efforts I eventually lost any feel for it as part of what I felt the "Way Corps" program was really all about. Within a couple years it seemed to become some wierd can-o-stuffed-worms, to me. The Corps "coordinators" - I don't even like to think about all of that, it was just wierd to me and not heading in the direction I was, that's for certain.
Yet - 100's of perfectly wonderful people know Emporia's campus as "the Way Corps" program they went through and completed. Their whole frame of reference is completely different from mine. So it's an odd mix of pieces that you get when you say "the Way Corps". They did a lot of wierd stuff there in the program I never understood. So I knew what I'd done and what that meant to me and had to allow others to do their thing as they saw fit. For awhile, eventually I just got to where I really didn't like the whole approach they were taking there.
Sorry - this is still veering away from thread topic. Oh, the scope creep....!
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excathedra
i'm feeling something similar
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Kit Sober
I also am thankful for all the people who fight to help others as well as themselves correct the sins twi inflicted into the world.
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excathedra
no one would EVER fault paw for throwing in the towel
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dmiller
Agreed.
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OperaBuff
No. No one would ever fault him.
But, oh please, don't throw in the towel.
Pass the baton.
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HAPe4me
or at least part of the baton. I think Paw is happy with what he has done here, as he should be. All that is really needed is for it to be less demanding of his time so he can pursue some new interests or further pursue some old interests. (not that I am calling anyone old). :unsure:
~HAP
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JesseJoe
Throwing in the towel sounds too much like quitting to me. I can’t see Paw quitting at being who he is; which, in my opinion, is someone who cares deeply about bringing the evils of TWI to light and helping put the hearts of those broken back together. Even if GSC closed, that wouldn’t change.
I like the phrase passing the baton better.
Although, if this site closes with no baton passing, I can’t imagine another site not popping up to replace it, with a prominent link to the read only GSC, and really good instructions on how to search it :)
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JeffSjo
I DON'T EXPECT ANYONE TO ANSWER THIS, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THINKING THAT THE GREASESPOT'S PLACE IN MY LIFE MAY BE NO LONGER VIABLE SOMEDAY.
BUT WHO CAN POSSIBLY THINK THAT IS NO LONGER VIABLE FOR ANYONE ELSE?
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Bolshevik
Can't people who left The Way years ago find help elseware? What is there to say that hasn't been said?
The people in The Way today know what's on Greasespot. It doesn't phase them. They've heard it all, even the young people. Is this just a site where people can just feel like they are doing something?
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Bramble
It is not that it has already been said--
It is that an individual ex or current TWI poster has not said it.
In TWI they had no voice.
Even after leaving they were held by the 'speak no negatives lest the ministry be blamed, renew your mind, you are more than a conquorer, your believing brought you this misery...
Those are the people who need a place like GSC, even if they left years ago. GSC helps individuals unravel the blame and guilt they may have lived under for years.
And yes, some of them could find it in counseling, with a good counselor, insurance that covers it and /or the financial abliity to pay. But not too many TWI thinkers would hop straight into counseling while still believing many of the TWI 'truths' they were taught there, due to the view of mental health counseling TWI held.
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waysider
Hiya, B-man
First, let me say---Happy Birthday!
Can't people who left The Way years ago find help elsewhere?
Of course. And some people should.
What is there to say that hasn't been said?
I'm not so sure it's all about what people have to say as it is about what people still need to hear.
New people arrive on a regular basis who are totally in the dark about what happened.
The people in The Way today know what's on Greasespot. It doesn't phase them. They've heard it all, even the young people.
That is, indeed, a disturbing thought. Lots of us "old-timers" had no idea what was going on during our involvement. But, to be fully aware of the perverted nature of the organization and remain involved is a telling testament to their hold over people.
Is this just a site where people can just feel like they are doing something?
In my opinion, the answer to that is "no".
Many people who come here have pieces of the puzzle missing that they need to find in order to understand what it is that happened all those years ago. Personally, one of the things that bothered me for a long time was a sense of guilt for leaving what I thought was the one true household. I felt like I had disappointed God. Now, I know that those feelings are unwarranted. What I left was a cult, not some spiritually elite organization with special ties to the Divine.
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