Dr. Wierwille meets Doctor Who I know, have VP as Jacob Marley and Craig as Ebeneezer Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol". LCM: Bah humbug to Jesus Christ as God. Problem is VPW and LCM would have tried exorcising the 3 ghosts of Christmas as devil spirits and never would learn their lessons. Mark, bravo on your parody from Seuss. Wonder if the TWI spys get it?
Back when I was in (70s - 80s) they celebrated it but said we should call it Household Holiday. This was because of it not really being the date of Jesus' birth, and the "pagan" origins of so many Christmas traditions. (Turns out Christmas and many of the associated traditions may not be as pagan as we were told. Check out this article and this one). I don't know if they still make a big deal about it.
I like that take on it, Mark. seriously, who cares what customs or beliefs anyone else chooses to observe at their midwinter festival? I teach my kids that pretty much every culture has a feast or observance near the solstice because for hunter/gatherer and farming societies, it's the most depressing time of the year and the fact that the days are starting to get longer is a reason to celebrate, no matter what the celebration is called or what else is included in the observances (as long as they are positive). my daughter has been learning about other cultural and religious observances and is very fascinated by all of them. our personal observances revolve around celebrating family. some people observe the birth of Christ. I think we can all co-exist without always pointing fingers that it's wrong to celebrate what other people choose to.
as far as jesus being the "reason for the season", I get annoyed when people get preachy about it since the season existed long before midwinter festival, but anyone can make it their own reason if they like.
something funny and kind of OT... when I was a WOW in the bible belt, one of those "jesus is the reason for the season" people actually told me, after I stated that I would never lie to my kids about santa because of how devastated I was when I found out my mother had been lying to me, that it is CHILD ABUSE to prevent your kids from believing in santa! and she was serious. I could barely stop laughing, but did manage to say that I wondered how children had survived for so many thousands of years before he became part of popular western culture?
Not only does it not matter what other cultures celebrate at mid-winter, but I was very pleased to find out that most Christians who celebrated the birth of Christ on Christmas were not just "white-washing pagan rituals." (I also wrote about this in my blog.)
Child abuse to NOT lie to your kids!? That's a new one on me! I don't see any reason not to tell them that Santa Claus is a make believe character that we can have fun with. Someone I knew a number of years back taught his three year old that Santa was a fictitious character. And it was so cute hearing a three year old say, "fictitious character!"
that's what we do, too. my daughter totally loves the game of santa, and I even sign our presents "from santa". my one santa rule was that my kids were not to tell other kids that santa doesn't exist if the kid believes he's real, because that's their parents' job.
You can overdo the "lying about Santa" thing either way IMHO.
Some look at it as lying to their kids, some think that it's a harmless childhood custom.
I was brought up believing in Santa Claus but don't recall being devastated when I found out otherwise; I never told my own kids that Santa was real, and they don't think that they were neglected or abused as children.
Frankly I found TWI inconsistant about Christmas. On the one hand they decried its pagan origins and that Jesus was not really born in December, on the other hand most wayfers observed Christmas traditions like gift giving, trees, etc., even at HQ at times.
In my opinion they made a big deal about something small and made themselves appear ridiculous in the process.
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Dr. Seuss would be proud!
Thank you so much!
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Really awesome Mark, and I think Dr Seuss would love it too!
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Very nice Mark. Now, at the end of the story, Unlike the Grinch, I think der vey's heart stays two sizes too small..
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frank123lol
Or maybe,The way did not really care,we have all the loot,gave most the boot,and we will
stay here at hq.and still sing hohoho.
Mark,Thanks,I had a good laugh!A bigMerry Christmas to ya!!
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Excellent, Mark!
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outintexas
Standing ovation!
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newlife
How great is that? Thanks for your creativity! It was awesome!
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Well done!!! :eusa_clap:
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Dr. Wierwille meets Doctor Who I know, have VP as Jacob Marley and Craig as Ebeneezer Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol". LCM: Bah humbug to Jesus Christ as God. Problem is VPW and LCM would have tried exorcising the 3 ghosts of Christmas as devil spirits and never would learn their lessons. Mark, bravo on your parody from Seuss. Wonder if the TWI spys get it?
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potato
wow Mark, that was amazing! I just read part out loud and it is indeed seussian in a fantastic way!
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Bramble
Inspired!
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coolchef
how clever can you get? great!
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Brushstroke
Very nice Mark! Loved it!
But...TWI doesn't celebrate Christmas? :blink:
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I love it......every precious syllable!
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Mark Clarke
Sad but true. But fortunately many of us who were in the Way grew out of it.
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leafytwiglet
This is AWESOME. I love it and it is sooo true.
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The very best part about me comin to GSC is that well besides meeting all of you on line
IS that I got my Christmas back.
Thank you for this.
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Back when I was in (70s - 80s) they celebrated it but said we should call it Household Holiday. This was because of it not really being the date of Jesus' birth, and the "pagan" origins of so many Christmas traditions. (Turns out Christmas and many of the associated traditions may not be as pagan as we were told. Check out this article and this one). I don't know if they still make a big deal about it.
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I like that take on it, Mark. seriously, who cares what customs or beliefs anyone else chooses to observe at their midwinter festival? I teach my kids that pretty much every culture has a feast or observance near the solstice because for hunter/gatherer and farming societies, it's the most depressing time of the year and the fact that the days are starting to get longer is a reason to celebrate, no matter what the celebration is called or what else is included in the observances (as long as they are positive). my daughter has been learning about other cultural and religious observances and is very fascinated by all of them. our personal observances revolve around celebrating family. some people observe the birth of Christ. I think we can all co-exist without always pointing fingers that it's wrong to celebrate what other people choose to.
as far as jesus being the "reason for the season", I get annoyed when people get preachy about it since the season existed long before midwinter festival, but anyone can make it their own reason if they like.
something funny and kind of OT... when I was a WOW in the bible belt, one of those "jesus is the reason for the season" people actually told me, after I stated that I would never lie to my kids about santa because of how devastated I was when I found out my mother had been lying to me, that it is CHILD ABUSE to prevent your kids from believing in santa! and she was serious. I could barely stop laughing, but did manage to say that I wondered how children had survived for so many thousands of years before he became part of popular western culture?
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Not only does it not matter what other cultures celebrate at mid-winter, but I was very pleased to find out that most Christians who celebrated the birth of Christ on Christmas were not just "white-washing pagan rituals." (I also wrote about this in my blog.)
Child abuse to NOT lie to your kids!? That's a new one on me! I don't see any reason not to tell them that Santa Claus is a make believe character that we can have fun with. Someone I knew a number of years back taught his three year old that Santa was a fictitious character. And it was so cute hearing a three year old say, "fictitious character!"
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that's what we do, too. my daughter totally loves the game of santa, and I even sign our presents "from santa". my one santa rule was that my kids were not to tell other kids that santa doesn't exist if the kid believes he's real, because that's their parents' job.
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Mark,
You have a real flair with wordsmithing as everyone here has noted. I thought it was just great as well so now you're challenged to do another one!
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frank123lol
Even in Twas a n ight before Christmas,it says somthing about a "story"
not that santa was real.
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You can overdo the "lying about Santa" thing either way IMHO.
Some look at it as lying to their kids, some think that it's a harmless childhood custom.
I was brought up believing in Santa Claus but don't recall being devastated when I found out otherwise; I never told my own kids that Santa was real, and they don't think that they were neglected or abused as children.
Frankly I found TWI inconsistant about Christmas. On the one hand they decried its pagan origins and that Jesus was not really born in December, on the other hand most wayfers observed Christmas traditions like gift giving, trees, etc., even at HQ at times.
In my opinion they made a big deal about something small and made themselves appear ridiculous in the process.
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