I certainly remember TWI fellowships that were just like the ones that you describe, STALE. The manifestations were milk-toast. The prayers were repetetive. The songs were the same ones over and over. etc etc.
I think that this is because TWI leadership so effectively snuffed out every believer that attempted to deal with the issues that really needed to be dealt with. And as control became more important than living, loving fellowships we became unable to deal with anything outside of the "stupid and flawed TWI box." Lukewarm and ready to be spit out of his mouth (ref. to laodicea from Revalation) seems to me to have become the norm. SIGH.........
B-O-R-I-N-G. And yet, the worst of the canned read fellowship teachings cannot come close to the Kindergarten-level-education-targeted STS teachings. "Hi, I'm going to talk to you like you're 5. And smile while reading from cards. Hopefully I will sound profound." NOT!!!!
i started this post to you right after you started this thread, but i took a catnap in the middle of your first sharing !!!! lol what memories
i can't think of much worse except for maybe top floor wierwille (oh did we name buildings after men?) on a corps night listening to the great one teaching on the word "and" or was it "or" or "if"
and then after that, someone else had the devil spirit driven audacity to come and teach some more
and then i think there was an afterglow barf after that
oh, i'm going to back to sleep. maybe then my headache will go away :)
Copenhagen, it's your life and all that, but DAMN!
Were it me, I'd quit going to the insipid "fellowships" post haste. I'd inform the loving wife and kids that I simply didn't believe any of the tired old nonsense anymore and - OBVIOUSLY - neither does anyone else (the boring drone of monotoned blatherings being prima-facie evidence of that). So why don't we live life a little bit instead of forever analyzing susposed "principles" of it?
I'd then institute a "fellowship" of my own for Sunday mornings - Breakfast at Shoney's, a brief shopping spree at the local bait shop, and then a leisurely afternoon of fishing. Anyone who would care to come along is welcome.
Life is too short for that crap, REALLY!
This ain't a dress rehearsal. Get away from that life-sucking, inbred, pandering little cult as quick as you can. It can only get better. Honestly...
There were times, early on, when I loved going to TWO fellowships. Toward the end, not so much. Pre-approved teachings, pre-approved "order of service" for the fellowships...bleh...
Scare the coorinator(s) by asking them questions based on ... the gospels! Like, what are they doing to help the poor in your area? Why aren't they having a good time in pubs, like JC did? How many of the "greater works than JC" have they done - this year, even? Hey, tell them some of the amazing stories of deliverance you have heard about, get them enthusiastic about God's great power, and then say the people were delivered - from being in TWI and - you heard it at the Cafe!!!
(Fight fire with fire.)
Watch yourself get fired for reading in the forbidden books that no longer apply to us
i can't think of much worse except for maybe top floor wierwille (oh did we name buildings after men?) on a corps night listening to the great one teaching on the word "and" or was it "or" or "if"
It certainly won't cause the arguments that a more directed book purchase might. They even have a workbook model available for small groups, like a fellowship.
I really would love to see as an experiment what it would stir up if a TWI fellowship really started living and applying that stuff.
I remember dreading fellowship nights, but you are right that Sunday fellowships were the worst. I wanted to sleep in, eat breakfast at my patio table drinking coffee and reading the newspaper. For me, it got to the point that I wanted to start being true to myself. I didn't like it, so why go? I didn't have a husband to deal with when I left, so I understand it's harder for someone who is married and still wants to stay in.
If there were a Sunday morning service that was a really good and uplifting time, with genuine, heart-felt praise and prayer, and good, solid, interesting teaching, would it be enough to overcome the desire to sleep in?
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The only true hh? Are they serious? They really believe that?
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outandabout,
Dead serious
We have the word and a great hh to bring people to we can fix their problams.
We are the only place where their needs can get met.
Guess they have not read Dontworrybehappys thread about counciling.
If you would like outandabout you can be my personal guest on Sunday
for fellowship.
That is if you have any needs.
copenhagen
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Dear Copenhagen,
I certainly remember TWI fellowships that were just like the ones that you describe, STALE. The manifestations were milk-toast. The prayers were repetetive. The songs were the same ones over and over. etc etc.
I think that this is because TWI leadership so effectively snuffed out every believer that attempted to deal with the issues that really needed to be dealt with. And as control became more important than living, loving fellowships we became unable to deal with anything outside of the "stupid and flawed TWI box." Lukewarm and ready to be spit out of his mouth (ref. to laodicea from Revalation) seems to me to have become the norm. SIGH.........
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B-O-R-I-N-G. And yet, the worst of the canned read fellowship teachings cannot come close to the Kindergarten-level-education-targeted STS teachings. "Hi, I'm going to talk to you like you're 5. And smile while reading from cards. Hopefully I will sound profound." NOT!!!!
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I'm surprised anybody's left.
Thanks for the invite, copnhagen but er uh I have uh stuff to do that night........
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I forget. Tell us again, copen. Why do you go?
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socks,
wife, children and family all drinking the kool aid.
copenhagen
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oh man, i'm so sorry copenhagen
i started this post to you right after you started this thread, but i took a catnap in the middle of your first sharing !!!! lol what memories
i can't think of much worse except for maybe top floor wierwille (oh did we name buildings after men?) on a corps night listening to the great one teaching on the word "and" or was it "or" or "if"
and then after that, someone else had the devil spirit driven audacity to come and teach some more
and then i think there was an afterglow barf after that
oh, i'm going to back to sleep. maybe then my headache will go away :)
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Dear Copehagen,
I'm so sorry too.
Been there, done that.
Walk with wisdom, please.
JEFF
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When the Countess and I left, it was three times a week.
Listen to Sunday night teaching
Rehash SNT
Rehash the hash, and remind people to come next Sunday
George
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How many "new' peop's are you seeing, copen? On average, is that fellowship "growing"? Just curious.
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Oh man!
Copenhagen, it's your life and all that, but DAMN!
Were it me, I'd quit going to the insipid "fellowships" post haste. I'd inform the loving wife and kids that I simply didn't believe any of the tired old nonsense anymore and - OBVIOUSLY - neither does anyone else (the boring drone of monotoned blatherings being prima-facie evidence of that). So why don't we live life a little bit instead of forever analyzing susposed "principles" of it?
I'd then institute a "fellowship" of my own for Sunday mornings - Breakfast at Shoney's, a brief shopping spree at the local bait shop, and then a leisurely afternoon of fishing. Anyone who would care to come along is welcome.
Life is too short for that crap, REALLY!
This ain't a dress rehearsal. Get away from that life-sucking, inbred, pandering little cult as quick as you can. It can only get better. Honestly...
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Life is short. Go to the zoo or the beach instead!
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There were times, early on, when I loved going to TWO fellowships. Toward the end, not so much. Pre-approved teachings, pre-approved "order of service" for the fellowships...bleh...
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Scare the coorinator(s) by asking them questions based on ... the gospels! Like, what are they doing to help the poor in your area? Why aren't they having a good time in pubs, like JC did? How many of the "greater works than JC" have they done - this year, even? Hey, tell them some of the amazing stories of deliverance you have heard about, get them enthusiastic about God's great power, and then say the people were delivered - from being in TWI and - you heard it at the Cafe!!!
(Fight fire with fire.)
Watch yourself get fired for reading in the forbidden books that no longer apply to us
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You forgot "also".
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See how many times they pray for the bot(bod),It is all about the way(twi pronounced twhy)
how many times they push abs,give us your money.If it is a father with his family,why is it only the top
get all the attention and money?All things common?Every need met?Where the heck is the power of god?
Why cannot I ask why?Why?If I ask,or have a need I am weak,Who determines that?
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Dear Copenhagen,
Does your family know how you feel?
Thanks,
Fin
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Shame on you, Frank.
Didn't you take any notes in your Pyramid Schemes 101 class?
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There are a few new people every now and then.
They never come back, if the do its usually 2-3 fellowships
and they are gone.
What I think is funny is one ast fellowship cord is a big computer geek
and all he talks about is things on the net.
I really think new people talk so much computer with him and go
home google the way and find the old cafe here.
.... there pants and never come back, its been several people who loved
fellowship and the people only to vanish and and never return a phone call
again
My wife knows how I feel to a certain degree and is waiting for me to
have trust and confidence in the leadership and the way again.
She thinks I will wake up one day.
Other family is clueless.
Do not want to give to many details WGB and all
copenhagen
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Reminds me of a couple of 36 hour marathons getting that marked in my Bible.
My friend I have a reading list recommendation for you:
http://www.amazon.com/Boundaries-When-Take...3715&sr=8-1
It certainly won't cause the arguments that a more directed book purchase might. They even have a workbook model available for small groups, like a fellowship.
I really would love to see as an experiment what it would stir up if a TWI fellowship really started living and applying that stuff.
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I remember dreading fellowship nights, but you are right that Sunday fellowships were the worst. I wanted to sleep in, eat breakfast at my patio table drinking coffee and reading the newspaper. For me, it got to the point that I wanted to start being true to myself. I didn't like it, so why go? I didn't have a husband to deal with when I left, so I understand it's harder for someone who is married and still wants to stay in.
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Just wonderinig...
If there were a Sunday morning service that was a really good and uplifting time, with genuine, heart-felt praise and prayer, and good, solid, interesting teaching, would it be enough to overcome the desire to sleep in?
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