Ten Years Ago -- July 1998

[krys]

Your son is a true hero, refusing to sell out for a "piece" of the kingdom; not caving in when faced with armed lunatics. Guts aren't needed to chase ghosts, and respect isn't due to those exposing how rotten the corpse really is so they can greedily grab their part of the inheritance

Ductape, I don't think the whole Corps was evil. Some of them, for sure, but not all of them. Did you mean "core" instead?

I have plenty of problems with many corps persons....but not with the corps as a whole. People are people and they are what they are, that's all.

[Abigail]

I don't think the man on the bus to CO was really a "perp". The powers that be saw him as a threat....somebody who could spill the beans on the whole shootin' match - - just one more hole to close over.

IF the man on the bus was who I think he may have been - he was raked over the coals pretty good and lost a lot. In reading your story, I would not say he was blameless, but I think post-TWI he may have turned into one of the good guys.

[krys]

I don't know Abi. I've lost total touch with him. I only met him twice for brief periods of time.

[Ductape]

Your son is a true hero, refusing to sell out for a "piece" of the kingdom; not caving in when faced with armed lunatics. Guts aren't needed to chase ghosts, and respect isn't due to those exposing how rotten the corpse really is so they can greedily grab their part of the inheritance

Ductape, I don't think the whole Corps was evil. Some of them, for sure, but not all of them. Did you mean "core" instead?

I have plenty of problems with many corps persons....but not with the corps as a whole. People are people and they are what they are, that's all.

the dead body of the MOG corpse, sorry.

[skyrider]

It's time! Actually it is probably past time. This story has surfaced in part from time to time over the years, but it has not been remembered with all the facts in the right place. I think that's because some prople know a little....

krysilis,

Thanks for coming forward to bring these facts to light.

My life was dynamically changed as a result of your son's actions to confront martindale and the evil in this organization. As one phone call led to another.........lots more found the exit doors and through the years, I know of some 70 people (and counting) who've left twi as this information rippled to the "outer shores" to freedom.

May you and your family abound in riches and grace!

:)

[Rocky]

IF the man on the bus was who I think he may have been - he was raked over the coals pretty good and lost a lot. In reading your story, I would not say he was blameless, but I think post-TWI he may have turned into one of the good guys.

Adversity can do that to a person!

[nandon]

krysilis,

Thank you,

Much love to you and your family. I believe in my heart that your sons stand was one of the huge factors that has set me free from TWI. TWI was my life for my first 22 years. I would have never left had I not known the truth, and without your son... who knows...

Thank you, God Bless you, I love you

[Belle]

MY FUTURE CHANGED.......with the knowledge of this!!!!!

IT WAS TIME TO LEAVE TWI.

Sure, I heard Cgeer's poop paper back in the day (of the power grab) .......but honestly, it was filled with SO MUCH pomp and arrogance of cgeer's "wisdom and accomplishments" that I could barely hear what he was saying. And then, with Schoenhxxt's adultery paper, the firings, the shenanigans of geer's now-you-see-me-now-you-don't.........I just wasn't ready to "jump ship" when that loyalty letter came out.

WHY NOW?? WHY THE CHANGE??.............Well, for one thing, I was ten years older and had plenty of time to assimilate the geer-martindale-offshoots splintering and all that. Plus, the homo purge and the micro-management and the "promised land of the prevailing word" brought MORE and MORE LEGALISM INTO TWI. So, when this martindale sexcapade event spilled out.....at the advanced class, no less.......with a MARRIED corps woman......and hearing subsequent information from others as this information opened insider information of twi......THE SCALES FELL FROM MY EYES.

And how many knew from day one what was going on? Helped cover for it? Helped "counsel" these victims and even after all of this STILL, TO THIS DAY SUPPORT TWI?

It's sickening. Absolutely sickening.

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Krys, thank you so much for sharing what you know and have experienced with us. If it were not for your son so many of us would still be entrenched - or at least have taken quite a bit longer to wake up to the truth of the evil that is TWI.

[rascal]

Is anybody ELSE sickened with revulsion at the *deal* Krys` son was offered???

Krys, thank God for your son`s integrity and honor. I don`t know how many of us could have stood up to the mog under that kind of intimidation and pressure.

[oldiesman]

Krysilis,

Thanks for sharing, and many thumbs up for your son who did the right thing.

[Sunesis]

Krysalis, sounds like you raised a wonderful son and instilled fine values in him. We are told that God will restore the years the locusts have eaten - I'm so glad to hear he's doing well with a wonderful wife. What a wonderful man he was to confront them.

Thank you for sharing.

[doojable]

Yes it takes a long time to recover from something like this. I know I'm not finished healing from it. It turned my husband off God completely.

What a legacy from a so-called Christian minister.

VP started this. He taught it to Loy.

So those of you that sit at your computers and smugly shrug and say, "Huh... I had a good time and learned some mightee fine Baaah-bull," should consider that the seedy underbelly of that teaching involved the carnage of souls, the dismantlement of marriages and the strip mining of families.

...and to the "victoid" went the spoils.

Edited July 15, 2008 by doojable

[skyrider]

And how many knew from day one what was going on? Helped cover for it? Helped "counsel" these victims and even after all of this STILL, TO THIS DAY SUPPORT TWI?

It's sickening. Absolutely sickening.

Belle,

Absolutely..!!!......THAT is the sickening of it all......Rosalie KNEW (according to the deposition...as early as 1995) and DID NOTHING......Howard? Don?.......the security guys?......some of the presidents' cabinet?.......the inner circle of girls? of course.

Obviously, there was, and continues to be, an orchestrated cover-up.........where the insiders live in a world of sex, lies and mog-fawning. Bribes? Perks? Gate-Keeping Secrets? Midnight Escorts on the Grounds of TWI? All in the name of "doing God's work on earth." patooie

The lies continue......the damage control measures stopped some hemoragging.......the old staffers don't want to leave and work in the real world.......the young kids haven't a clue......what else is new?

Twi's investments keep them solvent......and the monk-ish lifestyle at hq helps to keep the expenses down.

Some corps & leaders have split......others seem to find a way to rationalize away all their questions, living in a dead zone of no thinking, no questioning, no free will.

The frog in the water pot, as the temperature rises......comes to mind.

<_<

[krys]

The frog in the water pot, as the temperature rises......comes to mind

Oh - but that's why we're here, isn't it?!

[excathedra]

speechless

(((((((( kryssie ))))))))))

and same to your wonderful boy

[Belle]

Belle,

Absolutely..!!!......THAT is the sickening of it all......Rosalie KNEW (according to the deposition...as early as 1995) and DID NOTHING......Howard? Don?.......the security guys?......some of the presidents' cabinet?.......the inner circle of girls? of course.

...

The lies continue......the old staffers don't want to leave and work in the real world.......the young kids haven't a clue......what else is new?

...

Some corps & leaders have split......others seem to find a way to rationalize away all their questions, living in a dead zone of no thinking, no questioning, no free will.

Cognitive dissonance at its worst.

Seared conscience.

That's the only way I figure the moynihans, rosie, donna, john linder, etc. can sleep at night.

My ex has bought their lies and practically had a panic attack any time I started to provide proof that they were lying. We divorced in 2004 and even then he refused to believe that vee pee died of cancer.

The kids, sadly, are not much better off that those kids in the polygamists cults. They get interaction with the "outside world" but still filter every word and experience through what Mama, Daddy and the MOGs teach them.

[skyrider]

There are plenty of places to start, but I think I'll begin with that particular event. It is pretty easy to fill in the history when and where it's needed.

It was common practice to bring the Corps in at an advanced class to assist with a number of things, particularly the branch meetings. The particular people mentioned by Skyrider were my kids, my son and his wife.....and another man. This other man was also married, but unlike my kids, he had children so it was decided he would go to hq and his wife would stay at Gunnison with the children.

My DIL had been in loy's stable for quite some time by this point in time - - and apparently he'd called for her several times already during the week or 10 days that they had been at hq. The other man - - a Corp buddy-brother had gotten wind of my DIL's special "calling" and apparently approached her also for "relief" as he had been without his own wife for 10 days or so....and....it was up to her to "take care of the man (men) of god" donchaknow! Something happened and they were caught. My son blew his stack! She was serving everybody but him, and he was outraged because he knew it was just plain wrong.

These 3 parties were brought together into loy's office together with Rev. wc and head of safety....Mr. Linder. (Hello mister linder ). There was a revolver on loy's desk and mister linder ( ) opened his jacket coat to reveal his loaded shoulder holster.

There were many things said...but my son told me that he grew sicker and sicker (in his spiritual gut) and needed to set things to rights. So according to him, he pounded his own fist down on loy's desk and "ripped him a new one".

Rev wc was shocked and saddened. He called loy out because several years prior to this incident, loy had apparently promised him (Rev wc) that these sexploits had ended and would be no more....but obviously it wasn't so. My son grew sicker....now realizing for the first time that everything he had gotten wind of previously was totally true.

Even after all this - - loy begged them to stay.....he offered to change their interim assignment from Way Disciple to remaining at HQ to coordinate the Way Disciple program. My DIL begged my son to agree so they could stay (and she could remain Most Favored Female) but this required that my son give up his exclusive claim on his own wife and "join in" claiming for himself any one of the upper echelon women for himself. Obviously my son said "No" and then there was nothing to be done.

They were dismissed to their quarters to pack their belongings and escorted by Safety (with a pistol on the front seat of the car) to the nearest airport (I don't remember anymore which one it was) and put up in a motel nearby until the following morning's flight home (to New Jersey)

The other young man was put on a Greyhound bus and sent local back to Gunnison. They could have sent him express for the bulk of the distance but decided not to because this way they bought themselves plenty of time to get to his wife, squirrel her away to CO limb hdq where they could fill her head with all kinds of untruths so that they could retain her (and their children) in "the program".

For those who've wondered about HOW TWI ASSIGNMENTS ARE GIVEN......here is an example. Martindale offered this Way Disciple Coordinator position.....IF this corps guy would shut up and stay at hq [and "share his wife" with martindale].

NOW.........doesn't that "fit like a hand in a glove" with twi's inclusive evils????

[now I see]

Makes you wonder how many positions and ordinations were filled that way, it was quite the big scam in touting those in charge as being  someone "spiritual".

[penworks]

Krysilis,

I, too, am terribly sorry to hear this happened. Thanks for telling us. And thanks to Skyrider, also. My heart just aches for you all and your families.

Perhaps knowing you have supportive people here helps a bit. For me, having known these top "leaders," I am especially terribly sad over all the corruption and hurt through the years that was kept in the shadows from so many of us.

I left HQ in 1987 and have known little about things that happened after that until coming here to gsc. It's about time these stories are told and listened to.

One question: can you tell us what action, if any, you know of that Rev. WC might have taken after this incident? Did he leave HQ then? You can PM me with the answer if you want.

Peace to you.

[krys]

There is more to tell, and I intend to tell it but I've been a tad bit under the weather. Maybe by the weekend I'll finish it up.

One question: can you tell us what action, if any, you know of that Rev. WC might have taken after this incident? Did he leave HQ then?

Yes, he did. At the end of that class, he left.

[WordWolf]

(snip)

I'm wondering whether the guns were used as a source of intimidation or were they supossed to be used on people if a fight broke out?

Possibly both, but showing them was OBVIOUSLY meant to intimidate.

Depending on who and how its used, brandishing a firearm is a criminal offense, there are rules and laws on how weapons can be displayed.

(snip)

Displaying a loaded (or unloaded) firearm like that IS "brandishing", and IS a criminal offense.

[skyrider]

Again......when Rosie was deposed for the Allen lawsuit, under oath she stated that she KNEW about martindale's sexual proclivities as early as 1995.

Then.......in 1998 this incident at the advanced class surfaced with martindale and a married corps girl. So now, what did Rosie do???........after all, this "advanced class" is to prime the pump of the spiritual heavy-weights, right? Surely this would send RED FLAGS FLYING OVER TWI FOR ALL WHO KNEW.......right? Nope.....the trustees did nothing of substance.

Then.......in 1999 P@ul and F3rn Allxn abruptly leave twi hq after P@ul sternly confronts LCM about sexual relations with his wife F3rn and demands for martindale to resign. Later, the lawsuit is filed and martindale admits, in April 2000, of his involvement.

Hello, Rosalie Fox Rivenbark...............and why did you sit back and DO NOTHING?????

Finally.....after twi's lawyers work every angle to salvage martindale's defense and the mountain of testimony AGAINST him........twi settles out of court.......and martindale is sent packing to Toledo under the cover of extreme secrecy. And Donna???......well, she stayed at hq and given the position as Special Assistant to the President [Ros-a-lie].

Another lawsuit.......the parker lawsuit......was filed and settled.

Even to THIS DAY.......JULY 2008.......many staffers do not know these details. My oh my, how effective those indoctrinational techniques are when the trustees tell people that "people get pozzezzed and try to discredit the man of gawd." It is baffling to see grown adults fully given over to cult mentality......and going nowhere in life.

Unbelievable........that I once was a part of this deceptive organization.

<_<

[now I see]

Too bad the court cases were settled and not persued to the length of the law.  It would be irrefutable evidence that there's a heart of darkness at twi.

[Belle]

Even with the irrefutable evidence that is available many still won't believe. And many who still deny that irrefutable evidence - or at least lie about it. The worst are those who justify the reprehensible acts of those wolves in sheep's clothing.

[krys]

Even to THIS DAY.......JULY 2008.......many staffers do not know these details. My oh my, how effective those indoctrinational techniques are when the trustees tell people that "people get pozzezzed and try to discredit the man of gawd." It is baffling to see grown adults fully given over to cult mentality......and going nowhere in life.

It's pretty easy to do when you kick out those who know and tell those who remain they can have no contact with those M&A'd less they themselves be contaminated with horribleness beyond compare. The only thing left, is to be careful in cleanup mode aka damage control. They are very good at damage control, as you'll see later.

This isn't a real question is it?

Hello, Rosalie Fox Rivenbark...............and why did you sit back and DO NOTHING?????

You don't expect her to speak truthfully for once do you??? Come, come....skyrider! (tongue in cheek, of course)

It's my opinion, that she's been so evil for so long, that she is now unable to speak the truth. When you live a lie long enough, it "becomes" true (in your mind) and everything else is false.