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Just finished the book this afternoon. An intense read that I found myself relating to on many levels.
I don't think I really understood just how destructive and far-reaching the vicster's actions were, not having known anyone who was directly subject to his personal abuses. But after reading the book, some things started making more sense. It brought me back to my first twig and always wondering why my twig coordinator felt the need to sleep with every woman who came to fellowship.
I have two daughters and I tell you, I think I understand why that old ba$tard felt the need for bodyguards.
Thanks for having the guts to write the book, Kristen!
I read the book and don't have the slightest idea where to begin. I am so angry right now and so sad at the same time. I have thrown away all of my VPW books and now want to smash those pictures we had on our walls to bits with my bare hands. You know the ones, the watercolor of the 3 BOTs and that verse about your labor not being in vain in the Lord from Hebrews 6? Too mad to remember the exact quote right now. And the one where VP is playing with his grandson as a baby?
I have never been so upset about anything in my life. Even my own abuse as a child didn't affect me in this way.
I know you all don't know me, I was one of those people that stayed away from here for a long time so as not to be contaminated, you know.
I finally got a chance to listen to the interviews - she is so quiet I can barely hear her at full volume in a silent room. It sounds so interesting I think I'll pick up a copy once I get a job. I know so very little from that era in TWI (in detail) that isn't sugar coated. It also sounds like a good read.
I wonder if anyone wrote a book about more recent events though? Ones with Mr. M and later? Is there one? VP is so before my time that even though I can relate a little since we were in the same cult it's hard to feel incredibly betrayed by someone that died almost right after I was born.
One eye opening thing to me was that it was not just in the 70s...but at the start of that decade, long before chicken's heads were coming off on those 8th corps campouts. Specifically, I am glad Kristen included that Life Magazine article about the "groovy Christians"...presumably in the glory days.
One eye opening thing to me was that it was not just in the 70s...but at the start of that decade, long before chicken's heads were coming off on those 8th corps campouts. Specifically, I am glad Kristen included that Life Magazine article about the "groovy Christians"...presumably in the glory days.
What I meant by that was the whole "Jesus Movement" :unsure:
I feel ill. Very ill. Kris, it is worse than revolting. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
I have heard some horror stories from friends who have also suffered, not just from abuse by VPW or LCM but the abuse meted out upon them by spouses. How can they do any better, when their boundaries have been so eroded by that vile man and his minions?
I wonder, are there any other women out there with the turquoise rings? All feeling special??
Somebody should send a copy to WD and Oldies to read. Better yet, tie them to a chair and make them read it and not untie them until they can recite it word perfect, like they can with the Blue Book.
Sorry can't write any more. Have to go and vomit. (((Kris)))
Anyone ever dream about winning a lot of money, say in the lottery? You imagine yourself with all that money and think about the things you would do with it. Maybe you almost see yourself on a vacation at some never-thought-possible vacation spot. Or maybe you feel happy at the big donation you would be able to make to some very vital cause.
Anyone ever picture themself being abused? At thinking how horrible and violated you would be to have things done to you, say, as were done to Kristen? Maybe not too many people "dream" about that. But for many of us, more so us men I know, it is the only way to feel a tiny bit of how horrible it is. I don't even know if I do a very good job of it, but I know Kristen did a doggone good job of writing in a way that we could feel her pain, if only just a bit of it.
By the way Twinky, your chair tieing proposal won't work, and my remark has no relation to the people you mentioned. It sure didn't work with me in my deprogramming...I wasn't literally tied to a chair but I may as well have been.
I know, Lifted Up, I don't mean it seriously. I just wish that some people didn't have quite such an ostrich attitude.
It seems pretty plain to me that there has been significant suffering at the hands of TWI. Perhaps it is the magnitude of it that makes it so difficult to swallow. All of us thought TWI was The Best, at one time.
Glad that Kris has managed to deal with her history.
I just finished reading the book and agree with Twinky's statement; "I feel ill. Very ill. Kris, it is worse than revolting. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does."
I thought to myself, "Thank goodness, I now realize that my reluctance and refusal to openly witness was a GOOD thing afterall!"
God Bless Kristen for having the courage to put this in a book. It was gruesome but liberating, and absolutely substantiates why leaving and speaking out is the best help you can offer to yourself and others.
Yea, I second that. Kristen has been quite active on her blog this year so far, after having been busy with other things a lot of last year. I think people who have had bad experiences in TWI will benifit from reading her posts. I do, and my Way expereiences overall weren't very bad.
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rascal
((((((excathedra)))))) never invisible, , however I feel that I way as well. Never underestimate the impact your own personal testimoney has had on others. For many of us it was the first inkling we
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I ordered my book from Borders,wondering when the street date is to be released?
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Large bookstore often distribute books by small publishing houses only through direct order, since the small publisher is not doing large print runs and doesn't work with a book distributing company.
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Just finished the book this afternoon. An intense read that I found myself relating to on many levels.
I don't think I really understood just how destructive and far-reaching the vicster's actions were, not having known anyone who was directly subject to his personal abuses. But after reading the book, some things started making more sense. It brought me back to my first twig and always wondering why my twig coordinator felt the need to sleep with every woman who came to fellowship.
I have two daughters and I tell you, I think I understand why that old ba$tard felt the need for bodyguards.
Thanks for having the guts to write the book, Kristen!
-JJ
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many thanks for a person telling thier story
no crusade
just what happened
i thank you too kris
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Livinlarge
I read the book and don't have the slightest idea where to begin. I am so angry right now and so sad at the same time. I have thrown away all of my VPW books and now want to smash those pictures we had on our walls to bits with my bare hands. You know the ones, the watercolor of the 3 BOTs and that verse about your labor not being in vain in the Lord from Hebrews 6? Too mad to remember the exact quote right now. And the one where VP is playing with his grandson as a baby?
I have never been so upset about anything in my life. Even my own abuse as a child didn't affect me in this way.
I know you all don't know me, I was one of those people that stayed away from here for a long time so as not to be contaminated, you know.
God help me.
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rascal
(((((Livinlarge)))) It is awful to find out that someone we loved and trusted could betray us so.
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excathedra
awwwww
love you
i haven't read the book
but when i heard the radio show, my reaction was just like that
take care
(((((((((((((((((((( livin ))))))))))))))))))
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I finally got a chance to listen to the interviews - she is so quiet I can barely hear her at full volume in a silent room. It sounds so interesting I think I'll pick up a copy once I get a job. I know so very little from that era in TWI (in detail) that isn't sugar coated. It also sounds like a good read.
I wonder if anyone wrote a book about more recent events though? Ones with Mr. M and later? Is there one? VP is so before my time that even though I can relate a little since we were in the same cult it's hard to feel incredibly betrayed by someone that died almost right after I was born.
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cheranne
I finally got the book! I have to stop and take a break from it every other chapter ,it so real
and Kristin you are very precious and brave to write your story and expose this darkness in
The Way.
In the 70's ..what a time for us then.
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One eye opening thing to me was that it was not just in the 70s...but at the start of that decade, long before chicken's heads were coming off on those 8th corps campouts. Specifically, I am glad Kristen included that Life Magazine article about the "groovy Christians"...presumably in the glory days.
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cheranne
What I meant by that was the whole "Jesus Movement" :unsure:
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Just managed to listen to the interview.
I feel ill. Very ill. Kris, it is worse than revolting. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does.
I have heard some horror stories from friends who have also suffered, not just from abuse by VPW or LCM but the abuse meted out upon them by spouses. How can they do any better, when their boundaries have been so eroded by that vile man and his minions?
I wonder, are there any other women out there with the turquoise rings? All feeling special??
Somebody should send a copy to WD and Oldies to read. Better yet, tie them to a chair and make them read it and not untie them until they can recite it word perfect, like they can with the Blue Book.
Sorry can't write any more. Have to go and vomit. (((Kris)))
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Anyone ever dream about winning a lot of money, say in the lottery? You imagine yourself with all that money and think about the things you would do with it. Maybe you almost see yourself on a vacation at some never-thought-possible vacation spot. Or maybe you feel happy at the big donation you would be able to make to some very vital cause.
Anyone ever picture themself being abused? At thinking how horrible and violated you would be to have things done to you, say, as were done to Kristen? Maybe not too many people "dream" about that. But for many of us, more so us men I know, it is the only way to feel a tiny bit of how horrible it is. I don't even know if I do a very good job of it, but I know Kristen did a doggone good job of writing in a way that we could feel her pain, if only just a bit of it.
By the way Twinky, your chair tieing proposal won't work, and my remark has no relation to the people you mentioned. It sure didn't work with me in my deprogramming...I wasn't literally tied to a chair but I may as well have been.
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I know, Lifted Up, I don't mean it seriously. I just wish that some people didn't have quite such an ostrich attitude.
It seems pretty plain to me that there has been significant suffering at the hands of TWI. Perhaps it is the magnitude of it that makes it so difficult to swallow. All of us thought TWI was The Best, at one time.
Glad that Kris has managed to deal with her history.
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I just finished reading the book and agree with Twinky's statement; "I feel ill. Very ill. Kris, it is worse than revolting. Just when you think it can't get any worse, it does."
I thought to myself, "Thank goodness, I now realize that my reluctance and refusal to openly witness was a GOOD thing afterall!"
God Bless Kristen for having the courage to put this in a book. It was gruesome but liberating, and absolutely substantiates why leaving and speaking out is the best help you can offer to yourself and others.
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excathedra
from what i can tell, she's a lovely honest girl
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Thomas Loy Bumgarner
did Fox and Friends ever reschedule the TV interview with Kristen?
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penworks
Not to my knowledge. You can keep up with Kristen at her blog: http://losingtheway.blogspot.com/
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Yea, I second that. Kristen has been quite active on her blog this year so far, after having been busy with other things a lot of last year. I think people who have had bad experiences in TWI will benifit from reading her posts. I do, and my Way expereiences overall weren't very bad.
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when i went on to the blog site that jeff posted the link to, i got sick all over again
i believe kris when she says she went on the coach and he was looking at porn
and when she said he gave her a rose
it's just too much
when you've been sexually assaulted it does something to you that stays with you
it's like
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