what in the ....ety .... **** is .... going the ....ety **** on here any .... ways??? it's .... disturbing the ....ety **** outa me, I .... know that.....
Oaks,Dot Matrix started it...It's her fault...It's probably good to take a little breather,at times...I don't think the thread would get closed down 'cuz there's really no malisciousness behind any of the cussin'...
One observation I have is that it seemed like VP preyed on women who were very early in their corpse training...These women had much higher expectations,were willing to do "their utmost for his highest" and were more susceptible to naively following the man of god than those who had exhausted all the classes and training the way had to offer...It seemed like his private motorcoach sessions were not presented as "the next step",but rather a "shortcut" for a special girl to a spiritual nirvana...
Simon you rat.... I did start it and yes, it was a little break, but Oak is correct we have come too far to go out sounding like one of Loy's teachings (cursing all over the place)
Pointers (that family and friends can do to help the cult member recover)
Here are a few pointers which can help families provide a nurturing environment that simultaneously encourages independence:
Recognize that recovery can take years. Some damage may be irreparable.
Understand, accept, and grieve your own lost time and lost experiences with loved ones.
Don't be confrontational. Give the loved one time to let go of his or her loyalty to the group and its leaders and to acknowledge the deception.
Do not try to overprotect or control the loved one. Learn to negotiate.
Forgive your loved one for the pain he caused you while in the cult, and tell him that you forgive him.
Encourage independent decision-making.
Recognize the loved one may need financial support during recovery, but that financial and emotional independence should be encouraged.
Accept and respect the accomplishments the loved one made while in the cult.
Understand the loved one's often intense aversion to authority figures.
Accept the Changes
It's hard when a friend or family member who was close to you now is physically and emotionally distant. He is alone with his pain and you can't reach him. It can help to realize that like a veteran returning from a war, he has been somewhere you have not been, exposed to horrors of a trauma you can only imagine. For all your years of experience, you have not been in his war. You did not lose the time, friends, and dreams that he lost. But you still lost something.
Recognize that recovery can take years. Some damage may be irreparable
quote: It can help to realize that like a veteran returning from a war, he has been somewhere you have not been, exposed to horrors of a trauma you can only imagine. For all your years of experience, you have not been in his war.
I think this maybe something to keep in mind before yelling "move on" "get over it" "you were complicit" as has been tossed on other threads in the past.
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excathedra
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dumbass dumb *** dum bass
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Instead of sh it head
I can say ****tinghead?
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Gosh, what are we 12? I am really amused by this.
sh ittinghead was banned....
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happy .... new year ....face
maybe we should start a new thread
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The I can curse thread
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what in the ....ety .... **** is .... going the ....ety **** on here any .... ways??? it's .... disturbing the ....ety **** outa me, I .... know that.....
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Gee, I'd hate to see this thread closed down
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is
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Didn't mean to sound anal, but this thread was really going places...how did it become a banned word experiment?
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice...but in practice there is
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sorry, sorry, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa--no mas!!!
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ok oak, I agree with you, how do we get it back?
but it was kinda fun even though I wasn't special enough...hehe
now its time to get back.
Ok!! I will not try to be a nice person...ok? I will not!!
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Oaks,Dot Matrix started it...It's her fault...It's probably good to take a little breather,at times...I don't think the thread would get closed down 'cuz there's really no malisciousness behind any of the cussin'...
One observation I have is that it seemed like VP preyed on women who were very early in their corpse training...These women had much higher expectations,were willing to do "their utmost for his highest" and were more susceptible to naively following the man of god than those who had exhausted all the classes and training the way had to offer...It seemed like his private motorcoach sessions were not presented as "the next step",but rather a "shortcut" for a special girl to a spiritual nirvana...
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Vickles: Zola is an AOL chat robot who got upset with Rottiegrrrl for calling her a bitch. I was speaking tongue in cheek.
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Lightside
Did a 6th corps girl, named Wendy write a book about her dealings with VP?
Thanks,
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Simon you rat.... I did start it and yes, it was a little break, but Oak is correct we have come too far to go out sounding like one of Loy's teachings (cursing all over the place)
So, where were we?
Blessings abound!
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Lightside
I have no idea!
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Lightside:
I don't know if she ever wrote a book, but I do know she underwent deprogramming in the late 70s and went on tv shows talking about twi being a cult.
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http://www.csj.org/rg/rgbooks/rgbk_recoveryabusegroups.htm
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WOW EXXIE! Thanks
Here is a part of what Wendy wrote:
Pointers (that family and friends can do to help the cult member recover)
Here are a few pointers which can help families provide a nurturing environment that simultaneously encourages independence:
Recognize that recovery can take years. Some damage may be irreparable.
Understand, accept, and grieve your own lost time and lost experiences with loved ones.
Don't be confrontational. Give the loved one time to let go of his or her loyalty to the group and its leaders and to acknowledge the deception.
Do not try to overprotect or control the loved one. Learn to negotiate.
Forgive your loved one for the pain he caused you while in the cult, and tell him that you forgive him.
Encourage independent decision-making.
Recognize the loved one may need financial support during recovery, but that financial and emotional independence should be encouraged.
Accept and respect the accomplishments the loved one made while in the cult.
Understand the loved one's often intense aversion to authority figures.
Accept the Changes
It's hard when a friend or family member who was close to you now is physically and emotionally distant. He is alone with his pain and you can't reach him. It can help to realize that like a veteran returning from a war, he has been somewhere you have not been, exposed to horrors of a trauma you can only imagine. For all your years of experience, you have not been in his war. You did not lose the time, friends, and dreams that he lost. But you still lost something.
Recognize that recovery can take years. Some damage may be irreparable
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excathedra
simon, i think wierwille did prey on newer girls in residence, at least when i was around
(he may have been tired of / finished with ones by the time they graduated)
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Wow, dot& ex - that's great stuff! Thanks for posting it. I'll make a note to check that site out later on today.
B - Better
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W - Without
t - the
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i - international
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Lightside
Does anybody know Wendy's maiden name, or prior married name?
PT me if possible, thanks
Just hoping this Wendy was not my WOW sister!!
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Dot Matrix
I love this example she makes:
I think this maybe something to keep in mind before yelling "move on" "get over it" "you were complicit" as has been tossed on other threads in the past.
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Linda Z
Lightside:
She was Wendy F when I knew her in the Corps, and if I remember correctly, she was single then.
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