The sad thing is that the couple (the parents) checked references - they did their homework.... :(
We've been really really blessed to have some wonderful daycare providers for our boys but it only takes ONE person like this to give them all a bad name/reputation.
I hope this woman gets similar treatment in prison - they won't be kind to her, to say the least.
I always worked in centers and preschools, where there are alot of kids and staff. Most have open door policies, many have doorless rooms and bathrooms, just so staff know they could be observed at any time. I was home with my kids, but they did go to rather large preschools.
A home day care with one or maybe two providers-- I would have to know the woman like a sister.
Yeah. So happy for you ChasU. But man oh man! One's own little child killed by such foolisheness! Crazy! Crazy, like the song I'm listening to by Aerosmith at this moment....So terribly sad....crazy......God please spare me from such agonies and sadness. I do not think I could bear it....
Why would anybody leave their child at a daycare center like that? Remember the "Au Pair"? My only answer to saving your child from such a heinous ending is: Never leave your child with strangers! Or with people whom you really do not know! Stay at home Mom! Or stay at home Dad! Take care of your babies!
My God, they must be devastated, annihilated, wasted and ruined. I cannot imagine any thing worse than losing a Child. God bless them....
Okay, obviously I was emotional when I started this thread, but geez! We only have children once in this life. One would think that being smart with whom you leave your kids would be priority!
JL,
I can relate to your anguish over this kind of thing. However, your "only answer" would present a modern day conundrum to most parents. Since reliance on "socialist" government programs is frowned upon by many (have YOU not had things to say about such programs?), AND since for MANY (an astounding majority, perhaps?) parents even in THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD being a "stay at home" mom OR dad is a luxury they cannot afford, it would seem you may not have the insight to empathize with said parents... hence, the answer/solution you provide to establish said conundrum for such families.
Perhaps you're able to afford that kind of luxury, I surmise, since you have rejoiced here at the Cafe about your oil royalty windfall, but that kind of financial good fortune is NOT the rule, but the exception...
The sad thing is that the couple (the parents) checked references - they did their homework.... :(
We've been really really blessed to have some wonderful daycare providers for our boys but it only takes ONE person like this to give them all a bad name/reputation.
I hope this woman gets similar treatment in prison - they won't be kind to her, to say the least.
Indeed, MOST parents that have to procure child care DO check whatever available resources they can find to learn about providers.
Even so, that's NO guarantee of safety.
As sad and tragic as it is, one can only hope that extremely severe consequences for those committing such horrific acts against children will provide enough incentive for people to stop hurting kids...
First of all, what's a conundrum? Okay, okay, I'll look it up. Sorry. :-)
And ya know, our kids our mostly grown, and during our early years as parents, we simply "went without" when it came to lots of things, so that my wife could be at home with the kids. No royalties until as of late. So, that is not why we were able to have my wife be a "stay at home Mom" during the early years. We just made the decision that the kids would have Mom at home, and that we'd simply work around it. At times we thought; "Gee, we need more money. Honey, do you want to go to work?" And she'd say "well yeah, that'd be nice". But when we did the math and calculated the expense of paying for child care, we always decided; "well hell, that sure isn't worth it! Shoot honey, you'll only be makin five bucks an hour by the time it's all said and done". And so, we never went with the child care thing, we just lived offa less money and made do. Kinda like Bolshevik said.
And hey Rocky, I don't know the answer. I am not offering any I spose. It's just that it's just so awful to read about someone who has lost a child in that manner. I guess it's easy for me to over simplify by saying "Take care of yer own kids! That way no one will ever hurt them!" But, well, it's a sad tale to be sure. I wish those folks well, as well as they can be anyway after that happened.....
Johnny is it awful to have to place children under the authority of folks ya just dont know personaly enough to care for our children.
I was a stay at home mom and I learned to be creative with finances always making sure we had enough for a quality life..homeade food, nice clothing, vacations, and a loving learning enviroment..I had friends (believers) where we would buy state of the art learning tools for our kids that where considered to be very expensive in those days, we recycled and swapped as our kids grew older..Fun games that helped them to think criticaly...Discovery toys maybe some of you have heard of them...I spent quality time helping them to discover..You just cannot replace that time with mom and dad with other conviences. my girls went to Park District Preschool where I taught after the my oldest turned 3.
Cost of childecare now is averaging 250-300 a week.. wow
Safety first!!
Yes, I understand it has been said that the loss of a child is the greatest pain a parent can experience..I cannot imagine that...just cant..
First of all, what's a conundrum? Okay, okay, I'll look it up. Sorry. :-)
And ya know, our kids are mostly grown, and during our early years as parents, we simply "went without" when it came to lots of things, so that my wife could be at home with the kids. No royalties until as of late. So, that is not why we were able to have my wife be a "stay at home Mom" during the early years. We just made the decision that the kids would have Mom at home, and that we'd simply work around it. At times we thought; "Gee, we need more money. Honey, do you want to go to work?" And she'd say "well yeah, that'd be nice". But when we did the math and calculated the expense of paying for child care, we always decided; "well hell, that sure isn't worth it! Shoot honey, you'll only be makin five bucks an hour by the time it's all said and done". And so, we never went with the child care thing, we just lived offa less money and made do. Kinda like Bolshevik said.
And hey Rocky, I don't know the answer. I am not offering any I spose. It's just that it's just so awful to read about someone who has lost a child in that manner. I guess it's easy for me to over simplify by saying "Take care of yer own kids! That way no one will ever hurt them!" But, well, it's a sad tale to be sure. I wish those folks well, as well as they can be anyway after that happened.....
Indeed, it IS so awful to read about it having happened. Empathy is a normal (AND desired/desirable) quality in humans these days. Reading about it pretty much forces us to put ourselves in the shoes of the grieving parents, which is probably any parent's absolute worst nightmare.
Some families, no doubt faced choices similar to yours...
BUT, how many SINGLE parent homes are there in the US?
How many, even with two parents in the household, still need two incomes in order to keep the kids in a warm, dry home, with clothes, and fed adequately?
I don't know the numbers, but I know believe that for each of these scenarios the numbers are significant and that most Americans would be (at least) uneasy providing government assistance staying at home to parent would necessitate.
My late sister peeked into the window of her child care worker and saw her speaking mean to her youngest boy when he hadn't been there 5 minutes yet so she walked right back inside and said I no longer need your services and started her own day care. She loved children. Her dream as a little girl was to adopt a child from every country in the world.
I fired my day care worker when she herself told me she had my 3 year old stand facing the corner for an hour. She was shocked that I would have found that out of line. And like my sister and Excath mentioned we checked everything there was before hiring them.
It would be nice if mom's didn't have to work but that is very rare these days. And not for reasons of having abundance but just to help cover the basics like food and a roof over your head.
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The sad thing is that the couple (the parents) checked references - they did their homework.... :(
We've been really really blessed to have some wonderful daycare providers for our boys but it only takes ONE person like this to give them all a bad name/reputation.
I hope this woman gets similar treatment in prison - they won't be kind to her, to say the least.
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I always worked in centers and preschools, where there are alot of kids and staff. Most have open door policies, many have doorless rooms and bathrooms, just so staff know they could be observed at any time. I was home with my kids, but they did go to rather large preschools.
A home day care with one or maybe two providers-- I would have to know the woman like a sister.
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Yeah. So happy for you ChasU. But man oh man! One's own little child killed by such foolisheness! Crazy! Crazy, like the song I'm listening to by Aerosmith at this moment....So terribly sad....crazy......God please spare me from such agonies and sadness. I do not think I could bear it....
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Words can't express. I pray the parents have something to hold onto at this time of tragedy and loss for their family.
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JL,
I can relate to your anguish over this kind of thing. However, your "only answer" would present a modern day conundrum to most parents. Since reliance on "socialist" government programs is frowned upon by many (have YOU not had things to say about such programs?), AND since for MANY (an astounding majority, perhaps?) parents even in THE RICHEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD being a "stay at home" mom OR dad is a luxury they cannot afford, it would seem you may not have the insight to empathize with said parents... hence, the answer/solution you provide to establish said conundrum for such families.
Perhaps you're able to afford that kind of luxury, I surmise, since you have rejoiced here at the Cafe about your oil royalty windfall, but that kind of financial good fortune is NOT the rule, but the exception...
Indeed, MOST parents that have to procure child care DO check whatever available resources they can find to learn about providers.
Even so, that's NO guarantee of safety.
As sad and tragic as it is, one can only hope that extremely severe consequences for those committing such horrific acts against children will provide enough incentive for people to stop hurting kids...
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I had my wife quit work to watch our baby. It's put us tens of thousands of dollars into debt w/o her income, but I prefer him watched by one of us.
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First of all, what's a conundrum? Okay, okay, I'll look it up. Sorry. :-)
And ya know, our kids our mostly grown, and during our early years as parents, we simply "went without" when it came to lots of things, so that my wife could be at home with the kids. No royalties until as of late. So, that is not why we were able to have my wife be a "stay at home Mom" during the early years. We just made the decision that the kids would have Mom at home, and that we'd simply work around it. At times we thought; "Gee, we need more money. Honey, do you want to go to work?" And she'd say "well yeah, that'd be nice". But when we did the math and calculated the expense of paying for child care, we always decided; "well hell, that sure isn't worth it! Shoot honey, you'll only be makin five bucks an hour by the time it's all said and done". And so, we never went with the child care thing, we just lived offa less money and made do. Kinda like Bolshevik said.
And hey Rocky, I don't know the answer. I am not offering any I spose. It's just that it's just so awful to read about someone who has lost a child in that manner. I guess it's easy for me to over simplify by saying "Take care of yer own kids! That way no one will ever hurt them!" But, well, it's a sad tale to be sure. I wish those folks well, as well as they can be anyway after that happened.....
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Johnny is it awful to have to place children under the authority of folks ya just dont know personaly enough to care for our children.
I was a stay at home mom and I learned to be creative with finances always making sure we had enough for a quality life..homeade food, nice clothing, vacations, and a loving learning enviroment..I had friends (believers) where we would buy state of the art learning tools for our kids that where considered to be very expensive in those days, we recycled and swapped as our kids grew older..Fun games that helped them to think criticaly...Discovery toys maybe some of you have heard of them...I spent quality time helping them to discover..You just cannot replace that time with mom and dad with other conviences. my girls went to Park District Preschool where I taught after the my oldest turned 3.
Cost of childecare now is averaging 250-300 a week.. wow
Safety first!!
Yes, I understand it has been said that the loss of a child is the greatest pain a parent can experience..I cannot imagine that...just cant..
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Indeed, it IS so awful to read about it having happened. Empathy is a normal (AND desired/desirable) quality in humans these days. Reading about it pretty much forces us to put ourselves in the shoes of the grieving parents, which is probably any parent's absolute worst nightmare.
Some families, no doubt faced choices similar to yours...
BUT, how many SINGLE parent homes are there in the US?
How many, even with two parents in the household, still need two incomes in order to keep the kids in a warm, dry home, with clothes, and fed adequately?
I don't know the numbers, but I know believe that for each of these scenarios the numbers are significant and that most Americans would be (at least) uneasy providing government assistance staying at home to parent would necessitate.
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nouna difficult problem [syn: riddle]
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i just can't comprehend this
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penguin
Me neither--now I am going to be concerned the next 9 days until I finally get to stay at home as mommy!
I pay 170 for infant and 150 for schoolage during summer. We will be just scraping by, but it is worth it!
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Shellon
Sadly this happens very very often.
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excathedra
i had to work
so i just did everything i could. references (mostly personal), showing up unannounced all the time at different times, those kind of things
i prayed and prayed and prayed
it was tough
by personal, i mean people who i knew already had their children there
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My late sister peeked into the window of her child care worker and saw her speaking mean to her youngest boy when he hadn't been there 5 minutes yet so she walked right back inside and said I no longer need your services and started her own day care. She loved children. Her dream as a little girl was to adopt a child from every country in the world.
I fired my day care worker when she herself told me she had my 3 year old stand facing the corner for an hour. She was shocked that I would have found that out of line. And like my sister and Excath mentioned we checked everything there was before hiring them.
It would be nice if mom's didn't have to work but that is very rare these days. And not for reasons of having abundance but just to help cover the basics like food and a roof over your head.
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excathedra
my deepest condolences
your dear sister
i'm so sorry
no words
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I hope you know I love you dear one. And you shine your care at times when folks reveal their hurts.
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