One woman describes how Jones selected her to have sex with, and her narrative is so close to what I've heard described as VP's behavior that it kinda shook me up a bit...
I mean, the woman is very matter of fact and doesn't go into any gory details, but it doesn't "diminish" the horrible thing that was done to her.
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... when we first started building Jonestown it was like being a part of something new and fresh and different. I loved that we were growing our own food and making everything ourselves. ... because none of us owned much we were all part-owners of this place... it was such a sense of comeraderie and it was just FUN!!!
Does this remind anyone of how they felt working at HQ or Gunnison or Indiana in the corps? We felt special, it was often great fun. We grew our own food and prepared it. And we felt that because of our efforts to improve and maintain these places, they belonged to us.
I didn't see that particular show you are speaking of, but I saw one years ago when a son of Jim Jones either biological or adopted son had lived through the ordeal because he was somewhere else. I had also watched the one on the Branch Davidians and even the FBI guys who were trained not to fall for this stuff got a little confused debating scripture with David Koresh and said the more he talked, the more sense it made. But then that is true for all cults, listen to their spin long enough and it starts making sense. I have also read up on the Moonies, and as weird as they were, they had many of the same claims and techniques, and believed that people were healed and thought they were fighting devils and were on the front lines of spiritual warfare, that because of them, society would be saved because of the stand they were taking for God. Urgency of the times, that is a great tactic to use on people.
I agree. That re-telling of Deborah with Jones on the back of the bus gave me the willies.
I posted my thoughts and comments on the Jonestown thread that's going on the Open section and don't know how to link it here.
I thought PBS did a great job providing background, context and a matter-of-fact telling by the survivors (even by Jim Jones, Jr.) of what transpired - - so to see the amount of emotion at the end by each one of them as they re-tell about the mass suicide and who in their families died is just simply mind numbing. I just sat there at the end staring at the TV.
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Let me add a warning here....
One woman describes how Jones selected her to have sex with, and her narrative is so close to what I've heard described as VP's behavior that it kinda shook me up a bit...
I mean, the woman is very matter of fact and doesn't go into any gory details, but it doesn't "diminish" the horrible thing that was done to her.
More quotes:
... when we first started building Jonestown it was like being a part of something new and fresh and different. I loved that we were growing our own food and making everything ourselves. ... because none of us owned much we were all part-owners of this place... it was such a sense of comeraderie and it was just FUN!!!
Does this remind anyone of how they felt working at HQ or Gunnison or Indiana in the corps? We felt special, it was often great fun. We grew our own food and prepared it. And we felt that because of our efforts to improve and maintain these places, they belonged to us.
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YES!!!
I have been struck with the similarities as well.
There was always a scriptural reason pounded into peoples heads WHY it was necessary to go against their better judgement.
It was the same in the special I watched about the davidians.
The survivors STILL find ways to think that it is all ok.
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Thanks for the post. I totally missed the program. Sometimes I forget about PBS with all the other channels on cable nowadays.
It's being re-run at 2AM Thursday (Wed night) here (KERA-13) in Dallas/Fort Worth. I'm gonna tape it for sure. Thanks!
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I didn't see that particular show you are speaking of, but I saw one years ago when a son of Jim Jones either biological or adopted son had lived through the ordeal because he was somewhere else. I had also watched the one on the Branch Davidians and even the FBI guys who were trained not to fall for this stuff got a little confused debating scripture with David Koresh and said the more he talked, the more sense it made. But then that is true for all cults, listen to their spin long enough and it starts making sense. I have also read up on the Moonies, and as weird as they were, they had many of the same claims and techniques, and believed that people were healed and thought they were fighting devils and were on the front lines of spiritual warfare, that because of them, society would be saved because of the stand they were taking for God. Urgency of the times, that is a great tactic to use on people.
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Hi The Highway ~
I agree. That re-telling of Deborah with Jones on the back of the bus gave me the willies.
I posted my thoughts and comments on the Jonestown thread that's going on the Open section and don't know how to link it here.
I thought PBS did a great job providing background, context and a matter-of-fact telling by the survivors (even by Jim Jones, Jr.) of what transpired - - so to see the amount of emotion at the end by each one of them as they re-tell about the mass suicide and who in their families died is just simply mind numbing. I just sat there at the end staring at the TV.
J.
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ooops... didn't realize there was another thread going... my bad.
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