Not much was revealed, except to say that John S. is now president;
Gary T. is vice-president; Dan G. is treasuer; Karen T. is secretary;
and Mark G, and Tom R., are still on the BOD.
The letter that I got admitted that there have been *hard times*,
folks are hurting, harsh words said, and prayers are still requested.
I'm not gonna *quote* any of this letter here, because it is vague enough, ...
Oh, but they still sound "so not jellin'."
If I offer something up to the sky-god on their behalf, my prayer for them would be for JS to break the mold, and candidly open up in this forum.
Discuss on what is going on (understandably with a certain restraint in view of all the lawyers
sharpening their knives). This kind of candor would be a refreshing step, and would no doubt be significant to Cethians coming here for their news and information.
I heard John's a decent guy.
Danny
Be like Jesus, and communicate to us losers and lowlifes at the Cafe here.
Yeah... they don't seem to want to post here do they?? Aw.. they probably don't have to though do they?? They'll keep getting the "believers" tithes and offerings no matter what is posted here.
I've heard from Dan G., John S., JAL, AND Mark G. ---
all in the last week, because I e-mailed them, and asked questions.
I have had the same experience - haven't tried all of the above but got the two I tried and had very open discussion. Also spoke with several other friends who have called them (all) to hear the accounts first hand.
I have had the same experience - haven't tried all of the above but got the two I tried and had very open discussion. Also spoke with several other friends who have called them (all) to hear the accounts first hand.
Thank you 1 broken 1.
Now meebe this BS about "not willing to communicate",
can be laid to rest.
I never did expect an answer from Mark from my letter to him -- but he sent me one.
Tonight, and in detail about his side of the story.
If anyone wants to p!$$ and moan about a lack of response ---
take it to e-mail to those CES folks involved. You'll get answers.
If you don't --- You probably won't.
But maybe you don't really care either ----
Perhaps negative posting is your style,
without finding out the facts.
Again -- I'm not defending, or denigrating. Just stating rhe obvious here.
Now meebe this BS about "not willing to communicate",
can be laid to rest.
Maybe the "bs", as you put it in large font, comes out of the drive-by posting style of some of those affiliated with the group formerly known as CES. I've only cared enough to contact anyone in that organization personally less than a handful of times, and received a response each time, although not one that I thought made much sense; still, a response was given. But if an individual or a group doesn't want to engage in discussion on an open forum, don't publically post some monologue then refuse to discuss it publically.
Maybe the "bs", as you put it in large font, comes out of the drive-by posting style of some of those affiliated with the group formerly known as CES. I've only cared enough to contact anyone in that organization personally less than a handful of times, and received a response each time, although not one that I thought made much sense; still, a response was given. But if an individual or a group doesn't want to engage in discussion on an open forum, don't publically post some monologue then refuse to discuss it publically.
I agree, Oak.
I'm guessing this public forum to them is beyond their "space" and "comfort zone".
Just wondering - and NO, I haven't read the whole thread; why does anyone NOT in CES want an explanation from any of these yahoos errrr - people?
I mean, come on, do you really care? And even IF they came here and posted - would you even believe them? While it would be a whole lot of fun to take the fight to the next level, most of the folks here don't even have a dog in this fight.
(Right now I'd rather figure out how I can get "dog" and "jack" together in a metaphor.)
I will even say that Christian Educational Services freed me from ....
You know what is really sad? People actually believe this.. I'm not saying you do EP, but I'd sure beware. That some man made ministry ran and overseen by fallible humans is what actually freed them.. And so to many, that must mean God is working in this fleshly endeavor so I can put my believing, faith, and trust in it..
What a load of man made ^%$@#&^#
No wonder people let themselves be led so blindly. They replace what really helped, saved, and freed them with something that has just a small resemblance of godliness. And soon the blinders go on until the next thing you know, they are following man rather than God..
How hard is it to understand that God has chosen the base things and the foolishness of this world to lead men back to him?! And hard is it to understand that we don't follow those base and foolish things but only our Lord and Savior and His God. Praise God he was able to use such things to free you, but that really doesn't lend any credance to how godly the man made organization is, any more than all the other man made orginisations that help people to know their Lord and Savior every day while behind the scenes they put in bondage, molest the weak, murder the wise, and kill the innocent.
Maybe the "bs", as you put it in large font, comes out of the drive-by posting style of some of those affiliated with the group formerly known as CES. I've only cared enough to contact anyone in that organization personally less than a handful of times, and received a response each time, although not one that I thought made much sense; still, a response was given. But if an individual or a group doesn't want to engage in discussion on an open forum, don't publically post some monologue then refuse to discuss it publically.
Bingo.
And don't insult my intelligence by thinking I can't see that one.
Who made the rule that CES leadership should post their opinions here
and engage in the dialogue?
No rule, bro' (or sis, whatever) - but periodically someone posts a "letter from John Lynn" or some "new, exciting" research from CES and then disappears. If you're gonna put stuff up on our board, stick around to discuss it. That's my opinion, not a rule.
I don't believe that's comiing from our Lord Jesus.
Well, he's not my Lord anyway. But seriously, what does Jesus have to do with whether someone should discuss what they put up on a discussion forum?
So if it bothers you that JL or MG or JS aren't here every day like some of us
just let it go.
Its very liberating.
Nope, doesn't bother me, but I do have an opinion about it.
If you're gonna put stuff up on our board, stick around to discuss it. That's my opinion, not a rule.
I agree. Here's how I see it: Some people were po'd at MG and KAG (it sounds to an outsider like they were justified in their anger), and they used GreaseSpot Cafe as a handy place to stage a coup. They effectively got rid of MG and KAG, but CES lives on, complete with its personal prophecy doctrine and (according to eyewitness accounts) its continued promotion of crap like Momentus.
So IMO, nothing has been exposed. One regime has been toppled and another has gained supremacy. Woo woo. It was nice of Paw, I suppose, to let the coup's leaders make GS a bully pulpit for their cause. I just wonder what was accomplished, other than someone getting his job back and someone else getting the boot. Happens in corporate America daily, without our help.
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Oh, but they still sound "so not jellin'."
If I offer something up to the sky-god on their behalf, my prayer for them would be for JS to break the mold, and candidly open up in this forum.
Discuss on what is going on (understandably with a certain restraint in view of all the lawyers
sharpening their knives). This kind of candor would be a refreshing step, and would no doubt be significant to Cethians coming here for their news and information.
I heard John's a decent guy.
Danny
Be like Jesus, and communicate to us losers and lowlifes at the Cafe here.
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WWJCW -- Who Would Jesus Communicate With?
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TheInvisibleDan
Exactly.
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Hey Dan -- sorry -- didn't mean to sound facetious.
I hear ya about that statement you made.
That's why I'll be getting hold of (either) Jal, or John. S.,
and get info from the source.
For what it is worth -- (imo) John S. is best with books, not orgs.
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DMiller,
You didn't come across as facetious to me at all.
As for "Jellin'", I had in mind for whatever reason those goofy, amusing "innersole" commercials.
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ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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satori001
CES, leading us to salivation... Feel the love, people. They must be legit because Martindale wouldn't even spit in our direction.
dmiller, thanks for sharing.
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I called CES/STF today.
Who answered the phone?? Jeff USAF RET (Jeff --- the Supply Guy). :)
I had some questions to ask, and got lot's of answers.
With his permission -- I can tell you the following:
Dan G., Mat, and Jeff are back at the office working there again.
John Schoenheit will be the president until the next election.
Sadly -- the lawsuits are going forward.
John S. and JAL are willing to talk to anyone.
So if you have any questions -- ask. :)
This might seem *sketchy* (as far as a *report* goes),
but because of the lawsuit in progress, I can't say any more.
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As long as it's not on this forum...
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Groucho,
Yeah... they don't seem to want to post here do they?? Aw.. they probably don't have to though do they?? They'll keep getting the "believers" tithes and offerings no matter what is posted here.
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For what it's worth --
I've heard from Dan G., John S., JAL, AND Mark G. ---
all in the last week, because I e-mailed them, and asked questions.
Meebe thou should go and do likewise??
:)
(Just a thot!!!)
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I have had the same experience - haven't tried all of the above but got the two I tried and had very open discussion. Also spoke with several other friends who have called them (all) to hear the accounts first hand.
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Thank you 1 broken 1.
Now meebe this BS about "not willing to communicate",
can be laid to rest.
I never did expect an answer from Mark from my letter to him -- but he sent me one.
Tonight, and in detail about his side of the story.
If anyone wants to p!$$ and moan about a lack of response ---
take it to e-mail to those CES folks involved. You'll get answers.
If you don't --- You probably won't.
But maybe you don't really care either ----
Perhaps negative posting is your style,
without finding out the facts.
Again -- I'm not defending, or denigrating. Just stating rhe obvious here.
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I agree, Oak.
I'm guessing this public forum to them is beyond their "space" and "comfort zone".
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Just wondering - and NO, I haven't read the whole thread; why does anyone NOT in CES want an explanation from any of these yahoos errrr - people?
I mean, come on, do you really care? And even IF they came here and posted - would you even believe them? While it would be a whole lot of fun to take the fight to the next level, most of the folks here don't even have a dog in this fight.
(Right now I'd rather figure out how I can get "dog" and "jack" together in a metaphor.)
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I respectfully disagree.
Who made the rule that CES leadership should post their opinions here
and engage in the dialogue?
I don't believe that's comiing from our Lord Jesus.
I will even say that Christian Educational Services
freed me from the yoke of having to live up to other people's expectations,
and all those man-made rules and reg's.
So if it bothers you that JL or MG or JS aren't here every day like some of us
just let it go.
Its very liberating.
and if you really want their point of view
just call or write them.
Peace
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If you genuinely feel that way, then what "rule" or "yoke" compels you to post here, Mr. Prophet?
Or is it "Jesus" moving you to do so?
And I might add (to your credit), you don't appear to be having much of a problem engaging in discussions here.
Perhaps someday, leaders of the present Way International might also overcome their fear of
posting in a public forum. It's not so bad as they might think.
Danny
P.S. -I might also add, that Jesus didn't seem to have a problem openly debating and disputing with the scribes, lawyers
and pharisees - before all the crowds - through the open "forums" of His day.
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You know what is really sad? People actually believe this.. I'm not saying you do EP, but I'd sure beware. That some man made ministry ran and overseen by fallible humans is what actually freed them.. And so to many, that must mean God is working in this fleshly endeavor so I can put my believing, faith, and trust in it..
What a load of man made ^%$@#&^#
No wonder people let themselves be led so blindly. They replace what really helped, saved, and freed them with something that has just a small resemblance of godliness. And soon the blinders go on until the next thing you know, they are following man rather than God..
How hard is it to understand that God has chosen the base things and the foolishness of this world to lead men back to him?! And hard is it to understand that we don't follow those base and foolish things but only our Lord and Savior and His God. Praise God he was able to use such things to free you, but that really doesn't lend any credance to how godly the man made organization is, any more than all the other man made orginisations that help people to know their Lord and Savior every day while behind the scenes they put in bondage, molest the weak, murder the wise, and kill the innocent.
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Well, since you asked.....
[WordWolf in brackets and boldface as usual.]
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Bingo.
And don't insult my intelligence by thinking I can't see that one.
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Oakspear said:
I agree. Here's how I see it: Some people were po'd at MG and KAG (it sounds to an outsider like they were justified in their anger), and they used GreaseSpot Cafe as a handy place to stage a coup. They effectively got rid of MG and KAG, but CES lives on, complete with its personal prophecy doctrine and (according to eyewitness accounts) its continued promotion of crap like Momentus.
So IMO, nothing has been exposed. One regime has been toppled and another has gained supremacy. Woo woo. It was nice of Paw, I suppose, to let the coup's leaders make GS a bully pulpit for their cause. I just wonder what was accomplished, other than someone getting his job back and someone else getting the boot. Happens in corporate America daily, without our help.
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