It's a tempest in a teapot. A made-for-Greasespot drama. Just as we love to see the underdog win, we like to see the overdog lose. Overdogs, in this instance, are the mildly annoying "leaders" of a TWI offshoot....
Let's face it, to believe your dreams are from God is just asking for trouble. That is fantasy, not faith. But it also served to give them power, and they took advantage of that power, as "leaders" do....
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This isn't deja vu. No thanks to TWI, we've been through it, and we see what's happening to CES, and we're not too surprised, and we pretty much know where they're headed. But CES still appears saintly, compared to the vile TWI of Rosalie Rivenbark and her team. CES "abuses" are almost cute by comparison.
What makes the whole "CES mess" somewhat amusing is the foolishness of individuals we'd all concede are pretty smart otherwise. Those individuals would happily tell you, in a hundred different ways ("Buy my book!"), just how smart they were, and are.
It is satisfying to see the proud brought down a few notches by their folly, and it's good to see the irony, this time around, from the outside looking in.
Just a set of random musings...
I continually see CES in two parts. There is the leadership - those that knew or should have known better. The guys that "knew the job was dangerous when they took it." These folks got their reward, be it good or bad.
Then there are "the followers." I really even hate using this term - but I can't find any others at the time. These folks run the gamut - some drank all the kool-aide, glady - other's sipped it and spit it out as soon as it touched their tongues.
I'll venture to say that most of the folks in this second were just looking for a way to serve God. The seeds of their distrust for anything other than the TWI model was bred in them by the parent cult. We can point fingers and say, "How come you didn't see this coming?" I'm not of a mind to do that though.
The worst part of Christianity is the religion that rides on its coat tails. Perhaps that is the real lesson for us all - beware the need to control God and others.
Perhaps we try too hard to put God in a box when all that is needed is a willing heart.
Maybe they didn't get it because they were still a part of it.
amen. and amen.
The guys that "knew the job was dangerous when they took it."
and now on to the really important stuff: who can identify the source of the above quote? we say it and hear it said all the time, but i was surprised recently when i went looking for its origin.
The guys that "knew the job was dangerous when they took it."
My guess is, it generally refers to either police officers or National Guardsman when finding out they had to go to the Middle East, didn't want to go.
and now on to the really important stuff: who can identify the source of the above quote? we say it and hear it said all the time, but i was surprised recently when i went looking for its origin.
why do I keep getting all of these returns saying "super chicken"??? surely that can't be it!
Satori001 - Some dreams are from God. It's all through the Bible and prophesied for our time (Acts 2).
I keep a dream journal bec/ I've had these dreams my whole life, my father had them and my grandmother had them. They come true. Two days or two years later -- they come true, in very vivid detail.
My grandmother used to say, "That's the end of my dream!" when I would tell her something that happened that day. She had already dreamed it.
Maybe sometimes it's my subconscious picking up on subtleties my conscious mind wants to deny. But when you dream about something happening in a certain place, people having certain hair color and mannerisms, and someone you've never met wearing the same darn pantsuit in your dream that they are wearing two weeks later when you meet them, someone saying "My name is _____, and then you meet that person 2 years later --- that's from GOD! There is simply no other explanation.
That being said, yes, we have to be careful what dreams we project onto others. It has to line up with God's Word. This is where people can get out of whack.
Newcomer, assuming what you've asserted is the truth, all you really know is that your descriptions of certain dreams appear to agree with the circumstances of certain subsequent events.
The nature and source of those dreams are another matter.
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"Woe to the man so posessed that he thinks he posesses God!" Martin Buber (from Buber's Challenge to Christian Theology)
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No, it's vuja de. The feeling you've been through it before and hope this s*** NEVER happens again.
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Just a set of random musings...
I continually see CES in two parts. There is the leadership - those that knew or should have known better. The guys that "knew the job was dangerous when they took it." These folks got their reward, be it good or bad.
Then there are "the followers." I really even hate using this term - but I can't find any others at the time. These folks run the gamut - some drank all the kool-aide, glady - other's sipped it and spit it out as soon as it touched their tongues.
I'll venture to say that most of the folks in this second were just looking for a way to serve God. The seeds of their distrust for anything other than the TWI model was bred in them by the parent cult. We can point fingers and say, "How come you didn't see this coming?" I'm not of a mind to do that though.
The worst part of Christianity is the religion that rides on its coat tails. Perhaps that is the real lesson for us all - beware the need to control God and others.
Perhaps we try too hard to put God in a box when all that is needed is a willing heart.
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amen. and amen.
and now on to the really important stuff: who can identify the source of the above quote? we say it and hear it said all the time, but i was surprised recently when i went looking for its origin.
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My guess is, it generally refers to either police officers or National Guardsman when finding out they had to go to the Middle East, didn't want to go.
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why do I keep getting all of these returns saying "super chicken"??? surely that can't be it!
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that's what I thought! but apparently, it is!
"Caw-all for Super-Chicken!"
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Satori001 - Some dreams are from God. It's all through the Bible and prophesied for our time (Acts 2).
I keep a dream journal bec/ I've had these dreams my whole life, my father had them and my grandmother had them. They come true. Two days or two years later -- they come true, in very vivid detail.
My grandmother used to say, "That's the end of my dream!" when I would tell her something that happened that day. She had already dreamed it.
Maybe sometimes it's my subconscious picking up on subtleties my conscious mind wants to deny. But when you dream about something happening in a certain place, people having certain hair color and mannerisms, and someone you've never met wearing the same darn pantsuit in your dream that they are wearing two weeks later when you meet them, someone saying "My name is _____, and then you meet that person 2 years later --- that's from GOD! There is simply no other explanation.
That being said, yes, we have to be careful what dreams we project onto others. It has to line up with God's Word. This is where people can get out of whack.
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Newcomer, assuming what you've asserted is the truth, all you really know is that your descriptions of certain dreams appear to agree with the circumstances of certain subsequent events.
The nature and source of those dreams are another matter.
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