independance from god???

[starbird]

my point is, man was never meant to live independant to god.

thats the whole point to everything.

if people choose to live away from god in one way or another it will be their

downfall..

that goes back to adam & eve..they chose to live independant from god

and we all know the rest.

today governments and alike live independant from god, and look at the state we're

in..

you cant say you believe in god and see jesus as your savior, and on the other hand

fight in wars, be involved with corrupt governments or encourage those governments.

starbird

[mstar1]

Posts: 1

Welcome Starbird---Let me be the first to say hello

Edited January 21, 2007 by mstar1

[starbird]

hi and thanks

[GarthP2000]

So there are some people who do see themselves as independent from God. ..... What's it to you?

That there are those who do this is an offense to you? ... Ticks you off? ... Gets you righteously indignant? ..... Get over yourself.

There is a helluva lot more to 'the state of governments and humankind' than people simply deciding to 'live independent from God'. Hell, in the past 2-300 years, when people stared daring to question what they were taught as 'God's Laws' via science, philosophy, democracy, etc., there were those in ecclesiastical authority who whined about those people becoming 'independent of God' too.

... and as a result of such questioning and independence, science and medicine has flourished, countries with representative forms of government (like our country) abounded, and real progress was made, ... even given the corruption that kept up with it.

I don't know about you, but I like that kind of independence, thank you very much!

[Jim]

my point is, man was never meant to live independant to god. thats the whole point to everything.

Perhaps in your life and from your viewpoint. No everyone shares that opinion.

if people choose to live away from god in one way or another it will be their downfall..

Why? Because they won't be blessed by God? Because they won't have eternal life? I really don't know how to answer you. I can say that I live far better and happier now than I did when I was in TWI. If belief in God works for you and makes you happy then by all means continue on. But please don't assume that all people who live independent of God are evil and unhappy. You could probably say that I'm one of those individuals that lives apart from God. I am generally quite happy with life, my family, and my friends. Furthermore, I doubt that you could find a single person that would describe me as evil.

that goes back to adam & eve..they chose to live independant from god and we all know the rest. today governments and alike live independant from god, and look at the state we're in..

Yawn. The reality is that society in general is healther and lives in greater abundance than it ever has. So much abundance that obesity is a bigger problem amongst the poor than the affluent in the US and England. Virtually everyone in the US can find a way to get a college education. I could list other examples, but I doubt I could convince you.

What state are we in? you cant say you believe in god and see jesus as your savior, and on the other hand fight in wars, be involved with corrupt governments or encourage those governments.

Now you're talking. I do have a problem with people starting wars and killing others in the name of God. And I do have a problem with people lying, cheating and stealing and then simply asking God to forgive them and continuing with their evil ways. On the other hand, getting everyone to believe in the same God and the same moral code won't work either. People must be given the freedom to believe or not believe.

[starbird]

So there are some people who do see themselves as independent from God. ..... What's it to you?

That there are those who do this is an offense to you? ... Ticks you off? ... Gets you righteously indignant? ..... Get over yourself.

There is a helluva lot more to 'the state of governments and humankind' than people simply deciding to 'live independent from God'. Hell, in the past 2-300 years, when people stared daring to question what they were taught as 'God's Laws' via science, philosophy, democracy, etc., there were those in ecclesiastical authority who whined about those people becoming 'independent of God' too.

... and as a result of such questioning and independence, science and medicine has flourished, countries with representative forms of government (like our country) abounded, and real progress was made, ... even given the corruption that kept up with it.

I don't know about you, but I like that kind of independence, thank you very much!

it dosnt offend me if people choose to live independant from god. and its nothing to me.

i beleive in the bible and thats what the bible teaches thats all.

and i'm far from self-righteous beleive me.

i didnt mean to offend you with my comments..

starbirdx

[starbird]

Perhaps in your life and from your viewpoint. No everyone shares that opinion.

Why? Because they won't be blessed by God? Because they won't have eternal life? I really don't know how to answer you. I can say that I live far better and happier now than I did when I was in TWI. If belief in God works for you and makes you happy then by all means continue on. But please don't assume that all people who live independent of God are evil and unhappy. You could probably say that I'm one of those individuals that lives apart from God. I am generally quite happy with life, my family, and my friends. Furthermore, I doubt that you could find a single person that would describe me as evil.

Yawn. The reality is that society in general is healther and lives in greater abundance than it ever has. So much abundance that obesity is a bigger problem amongst the poor than the affluent in the US and England. Virtually everyone in the US can find a way to get a college education. I could list other examples, but I doubt I could convince you.

Now you're talking. I do have a problem with people starting wars and killing others in the name of God. And I do have a problem with people lying, cheating and stealing and then simply asking God to forgive them and continuing with their evil ways. On the other hand, getting everyone to believe in the same God and the same moral code won't work either. People must be given the freedom to believe or not believe.

i've never been part of TWI i'd never heard of it before today.

i havent said you were evil, because you live apart from god.

whats obesity got to do with living independant to god..

obesity is probebly a bigger problem with the poor because the food they eat is cheap & crap.

starbirdx

[TheInvisibleDan]

whats obesity got to do with living independant to god..

obesity is probebly a bigger problem with the poor because the food they eat is cheap & crap.

starbirdx

I don't think that's always the case.

Obesity may also be a condition due to genetics.

Some folks can't help it, no matter what they may or may not believe.

Welcome Starbird.

Danny

[starbird]

hi danny thanks

starbirdxx

[Ham]

Welcome Starbird.

I don't think you can live independant of god.. if he is what he says he is, so to speak.

What can you do, hide under a rock?

[Jim]

Bird - Maybe it would help if I would explain what's going on here. GreaseSpot Cafe forums are mostly populated with people who spent many years as followers of The Way International, commonly called TWI. For more info on what TWI is, Wikipedia has a pretty good page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_International

Most of us consider much of our time and money spent with TWI as wasted or worse. Many believe (as do I) that they suffered mild to severe emotional damage. Some of us found other ways to be Christians. Others of us choose not to believe or to simply say that "I don't know". We all try to respect each other's opinions. Most of us have read the Bible cover to cover at least once and the New Testiment several time and can quote scripture with the best. What I'm trying to say is that a simplistic message of going back to God or the need of being with God really doesn't say much to us. The people here that walk with God have probably been doing it for 20+ years. And the people that don't relate to walking with God probably gave it a real good shot.

So stick around, tell us about yourself, and enjoy the company. But also know that our beliefs or lack thereof have been forged with the fire of time and pain.

[waysider]

Welcome to Grease Spot, Starbird.

[starbird]

hi waysider thanks

[starbird]

Bird - Maybe it would help if I would explain what's going on here. GreaseSpot Cafe forums are mostly populated with people who spent many years as followers of The Way International, commonly called TWI. For more info on what TWI is, Wikipedia has a pretty good page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_International

Most of us consider much of our time and money spent with TWI as wasted or worse. Many believe (as do I) that they suffered mild to severe emotional damage. Some of us found other ways to be Christians. Others of us choose not to believe or to simply say that "I don't know". We all try to respect each other's opinions. Most of us have read the Bible cover to cover at least once and the New Testiment several time and can quote scripture with the best. What I'm trying to say is that a simplistic message of going back to God or the need of being with God really doesn't say much to us. The people here that walk with God have probably been doing it for 20+ years. And the people that don't relate to walking with God probably gave it a real good shot.

So stick around, tell us about yourself, and enjoy the company. But also know that our beliefs or lack thereof have been forged with the fire of time and pain.

hi jim.. i understand what your saying..one of my interests is religion, as you can probebly tell.

i believe in one god one faith...

i dont believe all roads lead to god..

perhaps some are or have been on the wrong road..

i find it a shame when because of bad experience some turn away completely from

god/religion....

i've been/looked into most faiths and became very disapointed with religion,

so i kept on searching..

i dont wish to offend anyone, when talking about my beliefs, difference in opinion

is what makes these boards interesting..

love starbirdxx

[pond]

the bible says All will bow to christ.

well even moses tried to run from God the bush story and all i do not think it can happen

ok ok I got the Rock thing hahahahahaha

[dmiller]

i've never been part of TWI i'd never heard of it before today.

i havent said you were evil, because you live apart from god.

whats obesity got to do with living independant to god..

obesity is probably a bigger problem with the poor because the food they eat is cheap & crap.

starbird

Hey there -- and welcome. :)

Just out of curiosity -- how did you hear about this site?

Color me curious -- NOT antagonistic.

(FYI ---) On this site (GreaseSpot Cafe), MANY equate following God,

in a different perspective than you may think.

Granted --some dismiss him totally, and others (like myself) --

still believe, yet find our own way to *follow the call*.

(Hey -- we were all in a cult -- what more can I say??)

If you haven't been involved with twi, it will be a tedious task,

for you to say things (such as you have said),

without proving to us that your viewpoint is valid

from OUR perspective, gained from (first-hand) experience.

As I said -- I'm NOT being antagonistic -- but AM being realistic.

If you bring a plate to this table, and expect us to "eat thereof",

and expect immediate *validation* because you brought it ---

It won't work.

You need to know more about us -- and what we have put up with,

and then make your suggestions. :)

[Oakspear]

I've put dependence on "God" behind me and I'm doing pretty well. better than when I was a fan of ol' Jehovah most who know me would say

[Bramble]

Why would a parent want a child to remain dependant--don't they want their child to grow up?

I don't even know what dependance on God is, or why it would be a good thing, nor have I seen being a non Christian automatically means life o'crap. Or Christians having an automatically marvelous life. Everyone has joys and tragedies., stengths and weaknesses, ups and downs.

Though in TWI this was not acknowledged, and 'downs' were not acceptable...

I think that what humans really need is to be part of a caring social group--family, friends, community, where people give and take, help each other through the downs, rejoice together in the up times. That doesn't require any single religion.