One area I lived in was never like this - we never had to clean a Limb home, the most we ever had to do was clean up, set up, and tear down for classes - and it was on a completely volunteer basis. And most of the time it was fun!
But I think that was because of the area leadership. Things changed when the next limb leader came in... They even bought my car before I moved to "help me out" but refused to pay for it saying something was wrong with the vehicle making it unsafe to drive and that they would pay me the amount for the car minus repairs once the repairs had been completed... I was leaving the next day so I didn't argue - after all, I thought they were leaders in the ONE TRUE HOUSEHOLD, right? Later I found out from someone in the area that they had seen them driving my car all over town. I called them and set them straight. Got my check a week later.
What a change from the people who had been heading up the place previously! I think that whole incident started to open my eyes to the wonderful world of twi.
Unfrikkinbelievable that people from The Way Corps Household would try to get away with not paying you for your car. I knew many who tried to get away with a lot of stuff that was abominable IMHO.
My BCs asked me to watch their house while they were at Corps Week and ROA one year. When I got to their house, they informed me that I needed to pay for rent, utilities, and groceries (which there weren't any). Then they gave me a list of things to clean before they got home.
Thank God I'm a different person today who doesn't need the one true household to determine my own self worth. What a lie from hell to teach that .....
One year at a "corps week" meeting before the Rock we were told how each of us would do the work of 3 because so many leaders had copped out. They were bragging about how great it was that we had the privilege to do this. I thought what a bunch of b***s***. That was the start of the road to my exit.
I also sold my car to two Way Corps folks who tried to renege on the payments ... and I was in the Way Corps the year the payments were supposed to come in and was depending on it for sponsorship. When I went to P*t P*w*ll and talked to him about it, he was very helpful and called their leadership in CA ... the two Corps folks involved got so angry that they were very ugly to me at the ROA later that year and even when I called to patch things up YEARS later, the wife pretended not to even know who I was ... I guess they just expected the car was their "right to have" or something ...
If you know of the purple dinosaur, you know the nickname (at the time) of one of them...both lovely WC10 folks...or at least I thought so. They have wisely long ago left TWI.
I don't resent any of the work I did on the campuses while in-rez... you know going in you are going to work your fanny off as part of the program. I did resent when it got to the point of doing busy work (like cleaning the windows for the second time that day... yes, we did that kind of thing, too). What a colossal waste of time!! I remember thinking, "Either give us something REAL to do, or let us go study, nap, or take a walk!"
On the field, I never had it too bad... yes, we spent whole weekends on the Limb Home and the local BC's place, (painting, pulling weeds, scrubbing the place floor to ceiling) but only when they first moved in, or a few years later for a big spring cleaning thing. And, as someone said earlier, the fellowship was so good, the work was a secondary issue. It got done, and it got done well, amongst much laughter and good will.
Later, when most of the joy had gone out of it, I still didn't resent doing class/meeting setups: I was corps. It was my job.
But, I found out after I left twi that certain wonderful people in our area were used and abused in the ways described in this thread: babysitting for EVERY single meeting, and expected to do much more than just watch after the kids, and NEVER paid for it, and shamed when they tried to say no... makes me mad all over again just thinking about it!
I do have one great memory about cleaning for people--Joe Guarini.When
When they sold the big limb home in Illinois, Joe said at a meeting that he didn't need a big place that took 4 men an entire Saturday to maintain. He didn't need a live in helper to help with the kids. Get him into an ordinary house and he would mow his own grass, and his wife would take care of their kids.
I remember the LC's being surprised when I presented them with a bill for wallpapering at their place. I seem to remember that they paid me later,, but weren"t too "blessed " about it!
No..I never saw martindale work along beside the wc.
No...I never saw him serve by example.
No...I never saw him travel to a region to bless people.
What did I see?? I saw a vulger man constantly haranguing and critisizing all of the people who WERE working hard and doing the very best that they could to work heartily as unto the lord. I saw a man who took lavish vacations on abs while expecting the rest of the wc to spend THEIR vacations slaving at corpes week and the roa every year.
I have no respect for the mans lack of character, poor work ethic, lack of principles, or lack of just plain basic decency.
I'll never forget how hard it was to run a class while in the next block over the LC was running his mitts up and down some fresh young interim corps gal.
No..I never saw martindale work along beside the wc.
No...I never saw him serve by example.
No...I never saw him travel to a region to bless people.
What did I see?? I saw a vulger man constantly haranguing and critisizing all of the people who WERE working hard and doing the very best that they could to work heartily as unto the lord. I saw a man who took lavish vacations on abs while expecting the rest of the wc to spend THEIR vacations slaving at corpes week and the roa every year.
I have no respect for the mans lack of character, poor work ethic, lack of principles, or lack of just plain basic decency.
Why didn`t the wc stand up and fight this injustice? Because when they did... many many times they were immediately taken by armed security to pack their belongings and escorted to the edge of the property.
They were then visciously slandered, their reputations savaged, and people were told that these folks were posessed.
Any attempts to talk with these people and you stood the chance of becoming posessed yourself.
I was told by one lady that this happened to her when she refused to participate in a threesome with LCM. By the time she got to her home state...all believers had been contacted and told she was posessed.
Many DID stand up, knowing the price that they would pay. But when you are declared posessed...who is going to listen?
Nobody wanted to be the subjects of the next days lunch rants. Nobody wanted to be declared posessed and m&a`d forever seperated from the house hold.
I haven't read this whole thread, but in answer to your question Hope, I will say this:
Before I came into The Way, I had no work ethic at all. I don't think I had ever even heard the words "work ethic" before. But then again, I was only eighteen at the time I got involved. And, I was a lazy arsed kid from the upper middle suburbs of the greater Washington DC Metropolitan area. Bethesda, Maryland, to be exact. And so, when I went into The Way Corps, with my eyes wide open on certain things anyway, I looked forward to "learning how to work". That was one of my main goals when I went in. And work for free I did! Lots and lots of working for The Way for free. But my attitude was "bring it on", I need to get to where I quit hating the word "work". Oh, I am sure that my zeal was taken advantage of, but for me, it was worth that time. I think one of the coolest times I had in the Corps was when I got to work on the Tent Crew with the Florida Tent Company, owned by Dave Tseusdy(sp?). Now, that was some serious work! Putting up the ROA tents, Corps tents, etc. And the paid tent crew that were not in The Way, out worked our sorry butts and worked us into the ground. Those two black guys, Wally and Pierre just laughed at us at first, and called us "number ten" workers, and there we were "Way Corps", "God Inspired Professionals", being laughed at and outworked by two Haitian guys who'd "never had The Class". And so, a few of us on that crew decided that we weren't going to be "number tens" anymore, but rather, "number ones". And as the weeks wore on, we actually achieved "number one" status from Wally and Pierre, and I even got a compliment from the Tireless Dave Tseusdy. And so, yeah I did lots of work for free, but, it has served me well in real life. Could I have learned this elsewhere? Certainly. But, I learned it in The Way, and for the good I aquired, I am thankful...
Why didn`t the wc stand up and fight this injustice? Because when they did... many many times they were immediately taken by armed security to pack their belongings and escorted to the edge of the property.
They were then visciously slandered, their reputations savaged, and people were told that these folks were posessed.
Any attempts to talk with these people and you stood the chance of becoming posessed yourself.
I was told by one lady that this happened to her when she refused to participate in a threesome with LCM. By the time she got to her home state...all believers had been contacted and told she was posessed.
Many DID stand up, knowing the price that they would pay. But when you are declared posessed...who is going to listen?
Nobody wanted to be the subjects of the next days lunch rants. Nobody wanted to be declared posessed and m&a`d forever seperated from the house hold.
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One area I lived in was never like this - we never had to clean a Limb home, the most we ever had to do was clean up, set up, and tear down for classes - and it was on a completely volunteer basis. And most of the time it was fun!
But I think that was because of the area leadership. Things changed when the next limb leader came in... They even bought my car before I moved to "help me out" but refused to pay for it saying something was wrong with the vehicle making it unsafe to drive and that they would pay me the amount for the car minus repairs once the repairs had been completed... I was leaving the next day so I didn't argue - after all, I thought they were leaders in the ONE TRUE HOUSEHOLD, right? Later I found out from someone in the area that they had seen them driving my car all over town. I called them and set them straight. Got my check a week later.
What a change from the people who had been heading up the place previously! I think that whole incident started to open my eyes to the wonderful world of twi.
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Unfrikkinbelievable that people from The Way Corps Household would try to get away with not paying you for your car. I knew many who tried to get away with a lot of stuff that was abominable IMHO.
My BCs asked me to watch their house while they were at Corps Week and ROA one year. When I got to their house, they informed me that I needed to pay for rent, utilities, and groceries (which there weren't any). Then they gave me a list of things to clean before they got home.
Thank God I'm a different person today who doesn't need the one true household to determine my own self worth. What a lie from hell to teach that .....
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We were "way slaves".
One year at a "corps week" meeting before the Rock we were told how each of us would do the work of 3 because so many leaders had copped out. They were bragging about how great it was that we had the privilege to do this. I thought what a bunch of b***s***. That was the start of the road to my exit.
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I also sold my car to two Way Corps folks who tried to renege on the payments ... and I was in the Way Corps the year the payments were supposed to come in and was depending on it for sponsorship. When I went to P*t P*w*ll and talked to him about it, he was very helpful and called their leadership in CA ... the two Corps folks involved got so angry that they were very ugly to me at the ROA later that year and even when I called to patch things up YEARS later, the wife pretended not to even know who I was ... I guess they just expected the car was their "right to have" or something ...
If you know of the purple dinosaur, you know the nickname (at the time) of one of them...both lovely WC10 folks...or at least I thought so. They have wisely long ago left TWI.
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I don't resent any of the work I did on the campuses while in-rez... you know going in you are going to work your fanny off as part of the program. I did resent when it got to the point of doing busy work (like cleaning the windows for the second time that day... yes, we did that kind of thing, too). What a colossal waste of time!! I remember thinking, "Either give us something REAL to do, or let us go study, nap, or take a walk!"
On the field, I never had it too bad... yes, we spent whole weekends on the Limb Home and the local BC's place, (painting, pulling weeds, scrubbing the place floor to ceiling) but only when they first moved in, or a few years later for a big spring cleaning thing. And, as someone said earlier, the fellowship was so good, the work was a secondary issue. It got done, and it got done well, amongst much laughter and good will.
Later, when most of the joy had gone out of it, I still didn't resent doing class/meeting setups: I was corps. It was my job.
But, I found out after I left twi that certain wonderful people in our area were used and abused in the ways described in this thread: babysitting for EVERY single meeting, and expected to do much more than just watch after the kids, and NEVER paid for it, and shamed when they tried to say no... makes me mad all over again just thinking about it!
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Bolshevik
I heard a women working in the Kitchen at the gulag recently passed out from working too much.
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One bc wife would call us over to clean her house,what a pain! Then she bit@hed
that it was not clean enough!I was told one time to fix a door lock,so I proceeded
to tear it apart the bc used the door closed it then could not get out!So I had to let him out,
he started to tear me a new one,I said fine you fix it then,oh no you started you finish it
They dam@ sure got too much labor out of me!!
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Kit Sober
And then there was working for D*l and N*ncy D*ncan, who made you feel special and precious, and the children, A*ron and L*ke, who were a delight.
Times "working" for them are a treasure to my heart and life I wouldn't trade for anything.
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Captain Spiritural
Was Craig Matindale a hard worker?
Did he work along side - you the WC?
Did he Serve you by his great example?
Did he ever traveled to regions to vist your people? and bless them
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Nope.
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I do have one great memory about cleaning for people--Joe Guarini.When
When they sold the big limb home in Illinois, Joe said at a meeting that he didn't need a big place that took 4 men an entire Saturday to maintain. He didn't need a live in helper to help with the kids. Get him into an ordinary house and he would mow his own grass, and his wife would take care of their kids.
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Captain Spiritural
nope??? just nope come on
Can you give me more information please
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excathedra
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
of course, no surprise about john and hope
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JavaJane
Captain... I wasn't WC, but I saw what happened to a lot of them who did stand up and fight for what was right... Know where they are now?
Most of them were forced to leave, had their reputations ruined, and thrown out with nothing. That's why.
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Nope....I never saw martindale work hard ever.
No..I never saw martindale work along beside the wc.
No...I never saw him serve by example.
No...I never saw him travel to a region to bless people.
What did I see?? I saw a vulger man constantly haranguing and critisizing all of the people who WERE working hard and doing the very best that they could to work heartily as unto the lord. I saw a man who took lavish vacations on abs while expecting the rest of the wc to spend THEIR vacations slaving at corpes week and the roa every year.
I have no respect for the mans lack of character, poor work ethic, lack of principles, or lack of just plain basic decency.
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coolchef
wow rascal
you said that right!
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Out There
I'll never forget how hard it was to run a class while in the next block over the LC was running his mitts up and down some fresh young interim corps gal.
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Bramble,
Wow... he was probably kicked out on his keester for that one!!!
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Thanks for the clarification.
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Why didn`t the wc stand up and fight this injustice? Because when they did... many many times they were immediately taken by armed security to pack their belongings and escorted to the edge of the property.
They were then visciously slandered, their reputations savaged, and people were told that these folks were posessed.
Any attempts to talk with these people and you stood the chance of becoming posessed yourself.
I was told by one lady that this happened to her when she refused to participate in a threesome with LCM. By the time she got to her home state...all believers had been contacted and told she was posessed.
Many DID stand up, knowing the price that they would pay. But when you are declared posessed...who is going to listen?
Nobody wanted to be the subjects of the next days lunch rants. Nobody wanted to be declared posessed and m&a`d forever seperated from the house hold.
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Bramble
I think he left around the loyalty letter time.
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I haven't read this whole thread, but in answer to your question Hope, I will say this:
Before I came into The Way, I had no work ethic at all. I don't think I had ever even heard the words "work ethic" before. But then again, I was only eighteen at the time I got involved. And, I was a lazy arsed kid from the upper middle suburbs of the greater Washington DC Metropolitan area. Bethesda, Maryland, to be exact. And so, when I went into The Way Corps, with my eyes wide open on certain things anyway, I looked forward to "learning how to work". That was one of my main goals when I went in. And work for free I did! Lots and lots of working for The Way for free. But my attitude was "bring it on", I need to get to where I quit hating the word "work". Oh, I am sure that my zeal was taken advantage of, but for me, it was worth that time. I think one of the coolest times I had in the Corps was when I got to work on the Tent Crew with the Florida Tent Company, owned by Dave Tseusdy(sp?). Now, that was some serious work! Putting up the ROA tents, Corps tents, etc. And the paid tent crew that were not in The Way, out worked our sorry butts and worked us into the ground. Those two black guys, Wally and Pierre just laughed at us at first, and called us "number ten" workers, and there we were "Way Corps", "God Inspired Professionals", being laughed at and outworked by two Haitian guys who'd "never had The Class". And so, a few of us on that crew decided that we weren't going to be "number tens" anymore, but rather, "number ones". And as the weeks wore on, we actually achieved "number one" status from Wally and Pierre, and I even got a compliment from the Tireless Dave Tseusdy. And so, yeah I did lots of work for free, but, it has served me well in real life. Could I have learned this elsewhere? Certainly. But, I learned it in The Way, and for the good I aquired, I am thankful...
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ok got it
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