I find it a riot how the guy in the link 'proves' his points by quoting from the Bible, as tho' the simple quoting thereof proves his case. Ie., Its true because the Bible says so, and because God wrote the Bible. And we know that God wrote the Bible, because the Bible says so. ... No wonder it shows that illustration of the words "God" and "The Bible" with the circular arrows pointing back and forth to each other. Ie., circular logic. :wacko:
I've heard better arguments presented before. And I'm beginning to wonder if stuff like this is but a desperate & insecure attempt to deal with the increased publicity that atheists have been getting lately with books, speeches, and the like.
I can almost hear the frantic calls for alarm now: "OMG!!! The atheists are coming! The atheists are coming! ... Mothers, hide your children!!" ...... I hope nobody tells them that atheists already have the right to vote.
I tend to agree with your first paragraph Garth. That claiming God wrote the Words because the words say that he did is not suffecient for any valid real documentation and reliability of said words.
Knowing what the words say is a good thing wether one is an atheist or theist or anything else. Mainly because there is a lot in it and a lot of controversy and problems people have with what is claimed to be spoken by a 'God' for whom the ones argueing about it have not found evidence to go either way-theist or atheist, and seem to land somewhere in between.
Hoping that there is, waiting for proof, saying that there must be a God cause man could certainly not bring about what he sees with his eyes. Or saying that since this 'God' has not shown himself then there is not one.
Nice pictures there Greasy though and still this little show is yet another show that the eyes can see.
It's what the eyes cannot see that have so many in such bewilderment of the question of the existance of a 'God'.
So rather then staying in bewilderment they usually will say no to kill the idea and problem, or yes and without solid proof say there is a 'God'.
And what about the ones that say they have seen the proof? Have experienced this unseen 'God' in their lives. Have their words actually been considered without fear and honestly looked into? It must be something that is different then the theist and atheist and the inbetweeners that I described above. In fact so different that that is exactly why it's not looked in to.
Unfortunately GreasyTech, there are plenty of folks out there who take what is portrayed in such a message in that link all too seriously, totally missing out on said satire. :unsure:
And I must admit, it was a satire that was done very well, as he did sound like he was serious the first time through.
cuz some so called sciences are more mythikly ignorant than so called religions
and some so called religion is more scientific than mythic science and science and such
or something like it
:blink:
honestly...what i am trying to point at
is how most growing mainstream scripts on both sides of the science/religion argument seem so post-modern, shallow and flat and so narrowly partial as to more-or-less misrepresent the actual depth and scope of the scientific and religious debate and dialogue that has been happening all over this world for some time now in a wide number of fields
gawd...writing that was like coughing up a furball...ack
anyway...so all i can say, sometimes ... pi$$ing here alongside you all in the mainstream, as they say
is that i hope those of you who find yourself somehow trapped on either side of this world wide war of world views
may you somehow also find a way of expanding beyond the scope of theism and atheism
but in a way that fully includes the qualities of both, ya know?
i dunno
the math is not that hard, really
especially if all the colors and numbers are allowed
we can count it all off on our naked fingertips
i cant help but wonder how it will take us to figure it out enough to actually play music again
especially cuz it is winter, and the world is going mad
coldest and darkest time of the year
and it seems to feel as if we need a more believable story of hope at times like this
that can deal with all this in a more helpful and hopeful manner
truth
goodness
are more beautiful together than apart
and then always simply leads to truly new and better ways
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GarthP2000
Definitely UNbelievable!
I find it a riot how the guy in the link 'proves' his points by quoting from the Bible, as tho' the simple quoting thereof proves his case. Ie., Its true because the Bible says so, and because God wrote the Bible. And we know that God wrote the Bible, because the Bible says so. ... No wonder it shows that illustration of the words "God" and "The Bible" with the circular arrows pointing back and forth to each other. Ie., circular logic. :wacko:
I've heard better arguments presented before. And I'm beginning to wonder if stuff like this is but a desperate & insecure attempt to deal with the increased publicity that atheists have been getting lately with books, speeches, and the like.
I can almost hear the frantic calls for alarm now: "OMG!!! The atheists are coming! The atheists are coming! ... Mothers, hide your children!!" ...... I hope nobody tells them that atheists already have the right to vote.
Here's a rather popular rebuttal:
Kissing Hank's A$$
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I tend to agree with your first paragraph Garth. That claiming God wrote the Words because the words say that he did is not suffecient for any valid real documentation and reliability of said words.
Knowing what the words say is a good thing wether one is an atheist or theist or anything else. Mainly because there is a lot in it and a lot of controversy and problems people have with what is claimed to be spoken by a 'God' for whom the ones argueing about it have not found evidence to go either way-theist or atheist, and seem to land somewhere in between.
Hoping that there is, waiting for proof, saying that there must be a God cause man could certainly not bring about what he sees with his eyes. Or saying that since this 'God' has not shown himself then there is not one.
Nice pictures there Greasy though and still this little show is yet another show that the eyes can see.
It's what the eyes cannot see that have so many in such bewilderment of the question of the existance of a 'God'.
So rather then staying in bewilderment they usually will say no to kill the idea and problem, or yes and without solid proof say there is a 'God'.
And what about the ones that say they have seen the proof? Have experienced this unseen 'God' in their lives. Have their words actually been considered without fear and honestly looked into? It must be something that is different then the theist and atheist and the inbetweeners that I described above. In fact so different that that is exactly why it's not looked in to.
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Uh, shouldn't have to do this, but....
Read this then watch the video again.
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Have you seen Bible vs Koran? http://biblevskoran.cf.huffingtonpost.com/ I love the quote at the very end.
The people who I would most would like to see it don't have computers.
That being said, I still believe in God. Its only religion that confounds me.
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Unfortunately GreasyTech, there are plenty of folks out there who take what is portrayed in such a message in that link all too seriously, totally missing out on said satire. :unsure:
And I must admit, it was a satire that was done very well, as he did sound like he was serious the first time through.
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cman
I liked the pictures. And still stay with what I said.
The illustrations are not offensive to me either satire or whatever.
I only watched it once and really didn't care what he was saying.
Got my own things to do.
And that was my post for one.
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ha...
a christmas rant...to go with that crazy link
mythic versus rational?
rational versus mythic?
half-headed, either way
perhaps even half hearted
or half a$$ed
i dunno
cuz some so called sciences are more mythikly ignorant than so called religions
and some so called religion is more scientific than mythic science and science and such
or something like it
:blink:
honestly...what i am trying to point at
is how most growing mainstream scripts on both sides of the science/religion argument seem so post-modern, shallow and flat and so narrowly partial as to more-or-less misrepresent the actual depth and scope of the scientific and religious debate and dialogue that has been happening all over this world for some time now in a wide number of fields
gawd...writing that was like coughing up a furball...ack
anyway...so all i can say, sometimes ... pi$$ing here alongside you all in the mainstream, as they say
is that i hope those of you who find yourself somehow trapped on either side of this world wide war of world views
may you somehow also find a way of expanding beyond the scope of theism and atheism
but in a way that fully includes the qualities of both, ya know?
i dunno
the math is not that hard, really
especially if all the colors and numbers are allowed
we can count it all off on our naked fingertips
i cant help but wonder how it will take us to figure it out enough to actually play music again
especially cuz it is winter, and the world is going mad
coldest and darkest time of the year
and it seems to feel as if we need a more believable story of hope at times like this
that can deal with all this in a more helpful and hopeful manner
truth
goodness
are more beautiful together than apart
and then always simply leads to truly new and better ways
ho ho ho
thanks for the link, greasy tech
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allan w.
I find myself drawing a bit closer to Todd on this thread, my, my, must be the 'silly season' all right !!
Happy Christmas Todd.
My input on this thread ?...well I've always loved that poem about the 'anvil' of Gods' Word !!
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cman
it's kind of fun to look at the past and dream of the future
and really all we have right at this moment
is right now-this moment
everyone has the past to look at and the future
it's the present that is baffling...
hohoho
ohohoh
how many ways can the present be opened?
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sirguessalot
Happy Christmas Allan
best wishes to you and yours
on yonder side of the world
:)
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