the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much...so i believe in the power of prayer..but what do you say to the Godly person who prays and prays and things still dont go the way they asked? do TWI people think it is their fault?
OK let's get back to the original idea of the thread=
Twi has put God in a box. They believe they have an answer for everything. Everything to them is mathematical, if you are believing it will happen, if it doesn't you didn't believe. Well it's not cut and dry. No one can tell me or you why God does things the way He does. He's God. But your point was that your son needed help. Twi gave you their "pat answer" which did not help you did it? That's why you thought to yourself "what about a doctor?" "Do I just sit there and believe for my son to get healed and let him suffer"? Of course you pray, but you also do everything you can to get him healed.
My point is twi folks don't have the foggiest idea on how to love people.
First, I'll say that i did not realize this until i read a book called, "The Revolution Within"..The principle that i learned is that there are so many christian books out there that say how important it is to use God to make your life better, for finances, health, personal fulfillment, etc..and of course that is true. But the main point of our spirituality is the furthering of God's glory. He does not exist for us, we exist for Him.
So, it isnt whether God is on our side(answering our prayers the way we want) its, are we praying with the priority of furthering God's glory..(His Name). in Jn 14:13, Jesus tells us to ask so that the Father may be glorified.
The message is the same to many christians..How can I use God to make my life better? how can I use God in a way so that I dont have to suffer or see someone else suffer or die an untimely death? well, the Bible says, We are to rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance, that brings forth character, and that brings forth hope. (Rom. 5:3) but vs 2 says, we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
All through the Bible we see that God's purpose for creation was one thing, To bring Him glory. (and i once heard that a free-will human being will bring Him the ultimate glory because we choose to worship Him, whereas He has beings that He created to worship Him and thats all they do all day and do not face temptaion)
Nothing matters more to God than the glory of His Name..He has a holy jealousy (2Cor. 11:2)about Him..He told Moses that all who come near Him must regard Him as holy and that before all people He must be glorified. (lev. 10:3)
Now here is an important scripture, God's wrath against sinful mankind was that "They did not glorify Him as God." Rom. 1:21 and look in Rom. 2:7 to those who by persistence seek glory...it ends in talking about God's righteous judment.
In biblical history we see that Moses did not enter the promised land, Nebuchadnezzer was made to live like an animal, Herod was eaten by worms because of their failure to glorify God.
The purpose behind salvation in Eph. 1 is to the praise of His glory.
Peter tells us we are to use our gifts in ministry to one another so that in all things "God may be glorified" 1Pet 4:11 1 Cor. 10 :31 we are told " whatever ye do, do all to the glory of God"
Isiah 43:21 "formed for Myself"..
So all of this is to say that God is the Creator..i am the creature..He is the Alpha and Omega. He created me for His pleasure. (Isiah 62:4) Zeph 3:17 He will take GREAT DELIGHT in me.
God is Holy, Omnipotent, Righteous. If you read Hiall through scripture you see that He destroys, and gets angry and has a "Holy Wrath." HIs Name cannot be defiled. But the great thing here is that He takes dlight in me and enjoys me and this universe does not revolve around me, it revolves around Him. But how great is His love, and His mercies never fail, and His eye is on the sparrow, and His anger last but a moment and His compassions are infinite.
This truly is a revolution within for me..a renewing of my mind..so that I dont think, How can God make my life more comfortable so that i dont have to experience the pain of being sick or the pain of losing a loved one too soon, but that my heart may say ...My Father who art in heaven HALLOWED be THY NAME...Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done...and my concern is not with my comfort, but with the furthering of His Glorious Name. and then my cuppeth runneth over from the way He fills it for concering myself FIRST with Him and not me..(humble thyself in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up, the last shall be first and the first shall be last, for when i am weak, then God's power can be strong (2 cor 12:9-10)
Seek ye first the kingdon of God, and all these things will be added unto you.(Matt 6:33)
this opened my eyes to a whole new way of thinking..and it thrills me!!
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same here, motherof2! I look forward to reading your perspective.
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OK let's get back to the original idea of the thread=
Twi has put God in a box. They believe they have an answer for everything. Everything to them is mathematical, if you are believing it will happen, if it doesn't you didn't believe. Well it's not cut and dry. No one can tell me or you why God does things the way He does. He's God. But your point was that your son needed help. Twi gave you their "pat answer" which did not help you did it? That's why you thought to yourself "what about a doctor?" "Do I just sit there and believe for my son to get healed and let him suffer"? Of course you pray, but you also do everything you can to get him healed.
My point is twi folks don't have the foggiest idea on how to love people.
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I agree PB. I think healing is a learning from many sources, including being still, prayer, and going to the Dr.
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ok, sorry this has taken so long...
First, I'll say that i did not realize this until i read a book called, "The Revolution Within"..The principle that i learned is that there are so many christian books out there that say how important it is to use God to make your life better, for finances, health, personal fulfillment, etc..and of course that is true. But the main point of our spirituality is the furthering of God's glory. He does not exist for us, we exist for Him.
So, it isnt whether God is on our side(answering our prayers the way we want) its, are we praying with the priority of furthering God's glory..(His Name). in Jn 14:13, Jesus tells us to ask so that the Father may be glorified.
The message is the same to many christians..How can I use God to make my life better? how can I use God in a way so that I dont have to suffer or see someone else suffer or die an untimely death? well, the Bible says, We are to rejoice in our sufferings, because we know that suffering produces perseverance, that brings forth character, and that brings forth hope. (Rom. 5:3) but vs 2 says, we rejoice in the hope of the glory of God.
All through the Bible we see that God's purpose for creation was one thing, To bring Him glory. (and i once heard that a free-will human being will bring Him the ultimate glory because we choose to worship Him, whereas He has beings that He created to worship Him and thats all they do all day and do not face temptaion)
Nothing matters more to God than the glory of His Name..He has a holy jealousy (2Cor. 11:2)about Him..He told Moses that all who come near Him must regard Him as holy and that before all people He must be glorified. (lev. 10:3)
Now here is an important scripture, God's wrath against sinful mankind was that "They did not glorify Him as God." Rom. 1:21 and look in Rom. 2:7 to those who by persistence seek glory...it ends in talking about God's righteous judment.
In biblical history we see that Moses did not enter the promised land, Nebuchadnezzer was made to live like an animal, Herod was eaten by worms because of their failure to glorify God.
The purpose behind salvation in Eph. 1 is to the praise of His glory.
Peter tells us we are to use our gifts in ministry to one another so that in all things "God may be glorified" 1Pet 4:11 1 Cor. 10 :31 we are told " whatever ye do, do all to the glory of God"
Isiah 43:21 "formed for Myself"..
So all of this is to say that God is the Creator..i am the creature..He is the Alpha and Omega. He created me for His pleasure. (Isiah 62:4) Zeph 3:17 He will take GREAT DELIGHT in me.
God is Holy, Omnipotent, Righteous. If you read Hiall through scripture you see that He destroys, and gets angry and has a "Holy Wrath." HIs Name cannot be defiled. But the great thing here is that He takes dlight in me and enjoys me and this universe does not revolve around me, it revolves around Him. But how great is His love, and His mercies never fail, and His eye is on the sparrow, and His anger last but a moment and His compassions are infinite.
This truly is a revolution within for me..a renewing of my mind..so that I dont think, How can God make my life more comfortable so that i dont have to experience the pain of being sick or the pain of losing a loved one too soon, but that my heart may say ...My Father who art in heaven HALLOWED be THY NAME...Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done...and my concern is not with my comfort, but with the furthering of His Glorious Name. and then my cuppeth runneth over from the way He fills it for concering myself FIRST with Him and not me..(humble thyself in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up, the last shall be first and the first shall be last, for when i am weak, then God's power can be strong (2 cor 12:9-10)
Seek ye first the kingdon of God, and all these things will be added unto you.(Matt 6:33)
this opened my eyes to a whole new way of thinking..and it thrills me!!
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Glory "be" to God
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